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Clueless but need to replace hard drive

EdNerd

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A friend gave me an older desktop computer. It worked great for a while, and then the hard drive went out. I need to get a replacement - but I look at the alphabet soup of specs and I am totally clueless on how to find a good match for this machine.

The computer is an HP Pavilion 500. The drive is Hitachi Deskstar ATA/IDE 7200 RPM 40.0GB. I was running Windows XP Pro.

I looked at drives online and I'm seeing things like Ultra ATA, SATA, and a whole lot of other unknown acronyms. Can anyone give me some pointers on finding a replacement drive?

Ed
 
First you need to identify what connection it uses. Its either going to be PATA (Parallel ATA aka IDE) or SATA (Serial ATA).

These are quite easy to determine.

IDE/PATA is a long connector and the cable it is attached to is like a Ribbon. The male and female ends have Pins and pin holes respectively, which number 40 Pins and look like this:

150px-PATA-cable.jpg


SATA is much smaller and has an L shaped slot on the cable looking like this:

SATA-B_DriveEnd.jpg


One on the left. The right is for power...

Thats all you really need to know. Dont get lower than 7200 RPM.

Now, you've already identified in the name that its PATA/IDE so thats what you buy...
 
All you need to know is that it is a PATA/IDE hard drive (the terms are often used interchangeably). Everything else is up to you really. You could get a bigger hard drive like an 80 GB. And the brand can be Hitachi, Western Digital, Seagate, or whatever. It just needs to be a drive with a PATA interface.

Just whatever you do, DON'T buy a SATA one. Even if two drives appear similar with one being cheaper, always doublecheck the specifications. The two standards are not compatible in any way!
 
Thanks so much for the info!! It's definitely IDE.

I'm thinking of this one. Less than $20, with a 2-year warrenty for another $10.
Newegg.com - Refurbished: Seagate U Series 9 ST380012ACE 80GB 1MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 / ATA-6 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

The bigger picture is that my laptop also died recently (Dell D600 - no video, even at the external port). So the idea is to get a new drive for the desktop and use Clonezilla to transfer everything from the laptop drive to the desktop drive. (The clone process is possible because my daughter has an identical laptop; installed my drive in her machine and all works great.)

Sound like a plan?
 
You're going to need to do a complete reinstall. Cloning the drive from the laptop to a desktop isn't going to work. You're going to have a bunch of drivers from the laptop hooked into the OS that aren't needed on the desktop. It's a fustercluck to sort out.
 
You're going to need to do a complete reinstall. Cloning the drive from the laptop to a desktop isn't going to work. You're going to have a bunch of drivers from the laptop hooked into the OS that aren't needed on the desktop. It's a fustercluck to sort out.

no it wont, it will just ignore the unused drivers.

I can swap my drive between 3 computers and different configs and never had any problem, its actualy very helpful.
 
I wondered about that. But the only device on the desktop that's never been connected to the laptop is the internal CD drive. Keyboard, mouse, printers, monitor, PS2 and USB - is there more?
 
no it wont, it will just ignore the unused drivers.

I can swap my drive between 3 computers and different configs and never had any problem, its actualy very helpful.

Then you're computers are freaks and possibly using the same chipset.

I shall weigh in with my comment which you can take as either professional opinion or fact. It is both.

OP, you will not be able to clone your d600 drive onto another machine. I can guarantee you it won't work. My Desktop support team (i am the head desktop technicIan in the UK, it literally is my team) work with latitude laptops all day, every day. A d600 image is not even compatible with a d610 or d620, let alone a non laptop. Let alone a non Dell.

Ok sure, you can stick a windows disc in and do a,repair and it might load the correct drivers but the system will be messy and unstable. A clean install is my only advice.
 
I wondered about that. But the only device on the desktop that's never been connected to the laptop is the internal CD drive. Keyboard, mouse, printers, monitor, PS2 and USB - is there more?

Yeah. Motherboard, CPU, GPU, HDD controllers...
 
Then you're computers are freaks and possibly using the same chipset.

I shall weigh in with my comment which you can take as either professional opinion or fact. It is both.

OP, you will not be able to clone your d600 drive onto another machine. I can guarantee you it won't work. My Desktop support team (i am the head desktop technicIan in the UK, it literally is my team) work with latitude laptops all day, every day. A d600 image is not even compatible with a d610 or d620, let alone a non laptop. Let alone a non Dell.

Ok sure, you can stick a windows disc in and do a,repair and it might load the correct drivers but the system will be messy and unstable. A clean install is my only advice.

I have worked with all the same models, I can verify that he's speaking the truth.

Windows XP does NOT handle a wholesale hardware change gracefully. IF it even boots, you run high risk of BSOD, even after getting all the correct drivers installed. If it was Windows 7 it would be a whole other story.
 
Yeah. Motherboard, CPU, GPU, HDD controllers...

Toldja I was clueless!! I use a computer like an electric drill - turn it on, do the job, turn it off. I'm the type that keeps you guys in job security! :8>0

Okay - clean install it is. I might lose some very old programs that I don't have discs for any more, but I guess that's life. I do have a backup of files (500 Gb My Passport USB drive), so (literally) all is not lost. Or ... ?? NewEgg.com has an adapter for installing a laptop drive into a desktop IDE drive bay. If the adapter works, could I install that as a second drive and launch files and programs off that? Files, probably, if the programs are installed on the boot drive, but not programs?

Just wondering if you might have any ideas about my Latitude losing video? I took a road trip with the computer in the trunk (boot?) for about 5 hours. External temperatures were 70-80 F. Big altitude changes from sea level to over 4,000 feet. When I first pulled it out, I could tell it was working but the screen was blank. I let it set in the hotel room for a few hours and tried again - worked perfectly. Got back home and it hasn't worked since, screen or external port. Anything I might be able to look at myself? (I am good with basic mechanical and electrical - just replaced the cover hinges in both mine and my daughter's machines. Hers is still working.)
 
Toldja I was clueless!! I use a computer like an electric drill - turn it on, do the job, turn it off. I'm the type that keeps you guys in job security! :8>0

Okay - clean install it is. I might lose some very old programs that I don't have discs for any more, but I guess that's life. I do have a backup of files (500 Gb My Passport USB drive), so (literally) all is not lost. Or ... ?? NewEgg.com has an adapter for installing a laptop drive into a desktop IDE drive bay. If the adapter works, could I install that as a second drive and launch files and programs off that? Files, probably, if the programs are installed on the boot drive, but not programs?

Just wondering if you might have any ideas about my Latitude losing video? I took a road trip with the computer in the trunk (boot?) for about 5 hours. External temperatures were 70-80 F. Big altitude changes from sea level to over 4,000 feet. When I first pulled it out, I could tell it was working but the screen was blank. I let it set in the hotel room for a few hours and tried again - worked perfectly. Got back home and it hasn't worked since, screen or external port. Anything I might be able to look at myself? (I am good with basic mechanical and electrical - just replaced the cover hinges in both mine and my daughter's machines. Hers is still working.)

That can be done, to a small extent. It's going to come down to whether the programs are self contained (meaning they install their working files to one or two directories, namely, in that drive's \program files\ folder), or if they require additional .DLLs or configuration files that are stored elsewhere. Migrating the programs to the new HD can also be accomplished, but again, it is very dependent upon the same factor above.

Usually, more simple programs are self contained - meaning the files are all installed together in the same location (something like \program files\) or else there is only a single file, the program itself, or only a couple of files, the program and a configuration files.

More robust programs that include extra files for whatever reason (.DLLs for, say, being able to make popup windows, edit databases, etc.) used to be installed with the programs as well, but newer software started doing things a bit different - instead of following that old method of everything in the same folder, common files like .DLLs were moved to the \Windows\system\ or \Windows\system32\ directory, so that your system would not get clogged with 17 different versions of the same file in different folders. This helps reduce that clogged problem, but leads to another problem - the program requires that file, and unless you know which file it is, it's hard to copy the program over to a new system and be able to use it because it also needs that file in another location.

Even more problematic, though, is going to be registry entries. The registry is like a physical database of ... way too many things to list here, but suffice it to say, it stores a lo of settings that previously used to be stored in configuration files. Again, the good news is that now, instead of 17 different config files running around, you have one big repository - but the problem is that, unless you're good at registry editing, again, it hampers your ability to move a program from one machine to another.

So, in essence, you've got about a 1/3 chance of a program on the old HD actually working correctly when that drive is made a slave of the new system. It won't hurt to try, but be prepared for it to not work.
 
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