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Fake test? (Gorilla glass)

Snow_Fox

Android Expert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EimSyAIuDoI&NR=1

Seeing as I'm going to have a gorilla glass phone hopefully by the end of the day.. I've been wondering how seriously do I need a screen protector.

I am enraged by the fact that otterbox no longer has the screen protector built into the device itself.. (anyone else out there suck at putting on screen protectors?)

However, this video bugs me..

I am wondering if the phone was scratched before he tossed it.. if you look at the edges they seem to be all scuffed up before he even throws it on the ground..

what are your experiences with gorilla glass? I know my girlfriends backflip took quite a beating and show fairly minimal wear and tear.. she did baby it quite a bit but, stuff does happen..
 
I doubt the test was fake....... even gorilla glass can be scratched...... but forcefully sliding it sideways across concrete with who knows what on it is not a 'valid' test (this is not an everyday 'oops I dropped my phone')......... lets see them put their zagg on there and perform the same test...... I would bet similar results since that little piece of plastic protector will tear on the concrete as its sliding......... guess what if you drop the phone in a trash compactor it will also scratch....... and I bet if I drove over it with a forklift it would also crush my phone......

any screen on any phone CAN be scratched under the right circumstances.... even supermans phone can be scratched..... its more a matter of is it 'likely' to be scratched given your specific daily habits
 
I've been wondering how seriously do I need a screen protector.
It's a matter of personal preference.

I am enraged by the fact that otterbox no longer has the screen protector built into the device itself..
Seems like an extreme reaction...

anyone else out there suck at putting on screen protectors?
Plenty do. There are kiosks that will install the Invisible Shield. I'm not sure if other screen protectors are available with installation service.

what are your experiences with gorilla glass?
My experience doesn't really matter as there's no guarantee that your situations are going to be identical to my own. Gorilla Glass is scratch resistant but it's not unscratchable. There are certainly those who have scratched their screens. Again, it's your call. Some use screen protectors, some don't.

its more a matter of is it 'likely' to be scratched given your specific daily habits
True but I doubt anyone that scratched their Gorilla Glass screens thought it would be likely. The threads I've seen don't seem to indicate that they did, FWIW.
 
Folks, Gorilla Glass is a marketing ploy. It doesn't offer any real scratch resistance over normal glass, but the compound it's made of makes it less likely to shatter (two different things). When it comes to scratch resistance, you're looking at the Mohs scale.

Mohs scale of mineral hardness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may be more familiar with this than you think. Diamond is a 10, the hardest substance known to man. Diamond can only be scratched by another diamond or a laser.

Glass has a rating of 6-7, depending on the hardness of the glass. Plastic is a 3-4.

If you take your keys over a glass screen (or a glass window), touch it to the surface, and rub with a little pressure (just enough to gain a degree of resistance), you WILL NOT scratch the glass. I've even scared the crap out of someone by hacking at my Zune HD's screen with a carbon-steel steak knife, and not a scratch.

So what will cause you to scratch your glass screen? Two things;

-a softer material (like metal) and force, not resistance. Yes, if you slam something into the screen, it may very well get a small crack, small enough that we see it as a scratch. Because, while glass is very scratch resistant, it easily shatters. It's force that gives us those small "scratches."

-dirt/sand - Sand (quartz sand, specifically) is an active ingredient in glass. If you get small particles of sand or other types of dirt on the screen and then wipe it off with your shirt (or even a microfiber cloth), you can develop small scratches in your screen. The most annoying is those who wipe with a circular motion, as it leaves rings in the screen. Want to avoid this? Take a SMALL amount of Endust for Electronics and a paper towel and gently wipe off the screen. The liquid will act as a buffer between the screen and the dirt. Then, take a microfiber cloth (those little eyeglass cleaning cloths that come with screen protectors) and wipe off the residue left by the Endust and any pieces of the paper towel.

Do you need a screen protector?

Yes, I think you do. As scratch resistant as glass is, it can't account for acts of God. At some point, you will drop the device. At some point, a softer object will collide with it in a way that causes the screen to get a tiny crack that we view as a "scratch."

When you use a quality screen protector (SGP, Clarivu, Martin Fields), you're putting a plastic overlay over the phone. While this will scratch more easily than the glass screen, if applied correctly, it acts as a shock absorber, thus making it harder for the screen to shatter. It protects from scratches by taking the scratches itself, and it protects from shattering by absorbing the force of the blow.

The wet applications like the Invisible Shield are so thin that they don't noticeably increase shatter resistance. They'll just keep the screen together when shattered. The Invisible Shield is harder to scratch though, making it so that you don't have to replace it as often (it looks nicer longer than a normal plastic screen protector). Basically, it protects from scratches by deflecting them, but doesn't offer any real shock absorption.
 
^^^ 100% agree

personally... i used to use SP..

but I cant stand the feel anymore.. direct glass is smooth

@ OP... there could be small pieces of broken glass or sand on the ground... which the demonstrator knows are there. they are trying to sell a product.
 
If you hate the look of a screen protector, try Realook (avail thru Amazon)
It is nice and smooth to the touch, crystal clear, it is virtually impossible to tell it's there. It is also the easiest to put on in my opinion.
 
If you hate the look of a screen protector, try Realook (avail thru Amazon)
It is nice and smooth to the touch, crystal clear, it is virtually impossible to tell it's there. It is also the easiest to put on in my opinion.

I've tried a lot of brands, but not that one. Martin Fields seems to offer the best look of any Screen Protector. SGP and Seidio look to be the same, difference being that SGP uses the 3-layer tab installation process, whereas Seidio does the "peel and pray" approach. That makes SGP worth the extra $3 or so to me.

Basically, I recommend Martin Fields for people who want the best, and have the patience to install it (they're nearly $40 for a 2-pack!), and they include a 2nd protector for the camera lens. I recommend SGP for ease of installation.

In your opinion, what makes Realook so easy for you to install?

EDIT:

I looked them up and I'm quite impressed with the way they're presented. I'll have to give them a try.
 
^ The easy installation comes from the fact that it's really stiff, I think. For my vibrant they are $11 for 2 in a pack, but I would pay a lot more than that, they're that good. And their cs is great, I had a bubble at the speaker on top that would not come out, and they sent me 2 for free. Never had the bubble problem again.
 
^ The easy installation comes from the fact that it's really stiff, I think. For my vibrant they are $11 for 2 in a pack, but I would pay a lot more than that, they're that good. And their cs is great, I had a bubble at the speaker on top that would not come out, and they sent me 2 for free. Never had the bubble problem again.

Yea, the stiff ones (any real name brand) are easier to apply. Also, the ones with the silicone adhesive (like Martin Fields) generally apply without any major air bubbles.

I have a unique situation where I like to have a case on my phone, but due to using a desktop cradle, and also swapping batteries almost daily, the case I'm using tends to flip up the edges of the screen protector, so they have to be replaced often. I'm switching to an Incipio case that won't do this. When I do (probably within the next two weeks), I'll try this brand and see how they compare to what I've used.

Like I said, I've used a few brands (Martin Fields, Sedio, Steinheil SGP, BD&A (Sony), and a few others), and Martin Fields stands as the best I've ever used. But, again, it's nearly $40 shipped for a 2-pack.
 
Quite impressive... I almost feel like medion deserve's a sticky XD

At any rate.. I may try the seidio screen protector.. 9$ isn't a bad price and I was considering ordering one of their cases anyway..
 
^I know right - Medion is without doubt one of the top people that I count for absolutely breath-taking, top-notch, solid information on these forums.
 
fwiw, i use a screen protector i got off ebay for 2 bucks or so and it works great

no scratches, no added glare, less smudging and the screen is still as responsive. didn't get it right on the first go, but luckily they sent me 3 of them! :)
 
Folks, Gorilla Glass is a marketing ploy. It doesn't offer any real scratch resistance over normal glass, but the compound it's made of makes it less likely to shatter (two different things). When it comes to scratch resistance, you're looking at the Mohs scale.

Mohs scale of mineral hardness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You may be more familiar with this than you think. Diamond is a 10, the hardest substance known to man. Diamond can only be scratched by another diamond or a laser.

Glass has a rating of 6-7, depending on the hardness of the glass. Plastic is a 3-4.


You should do a little research before you start making claims about things you do not fully understand.

Corning Glass makes Gorilla Glass and it is not fake or a marketing ploy. To be fair, perhaps it is a product that in this day and age is not really needed because we change out our personal electronics so frequently, we do not seem to hold on to these disposable items long enough to become scratched.

For a very long time, Corning has been a leader in the world of glass and they make/made thousands of different kinds of glass. Making it scratch resistant is something they have a good deal of experience with and have been working towards for a very long time as well.

If you wanted extreme scratch resistance. perhaps you can find a lapidary cutter to cut down and install a screen cut from a sapphire boule. That would eliminate scratches for the most part.

Here is a link to their dedicated web site:

CORNING
 
You should do a little research before you start making claims about things you do not fully understand.

You lost me here. Try being polite and I'm open to discussion. When you insult me for having a differing opinion, and then link to a product maker's official website of proof of their claims, you come across as a trolling shill for the company. That hurts your credibility.
 
If it scratches it scratches. Its a phone to be used and abused. Its not a fine work of priceless art. In another year I will get a new phone. My droid screen only has one scratch and going on a year of having it. Its most of that time had no screen protector and in my front pocket all the time. Been covered in powder coating on more than one occasion from work. the glass works great but I would never try and purposely scratch my phone. Thats plain dumb.
 
a few days ago my friend was asking about my phone and the screen scratching. i took a thumbtack outta my cabinet and scribbled on the screen (no screen protector) with it, pretty hard, and there was 0 anything on the screen, no scratches, nothing. my friend nearly had a heart attack and called me crazy, but they are good screens, tough to scratch.

i do have a holster case (seideo) but i dont baby my phone, and dont have a screen protector, and have no scratches on it.
 
You lost me here. Try being polite and I'm open to discussion. When you insult me for having a differing opinion, and then link to a product maker's official website of proof of their claims, you come across as a trolling shill for the company. That hurts your credibility.

You called Gorilla Glass fake and a marketing scam. It is not a scam and quite unfair for you to say CG was scamming the public. Corning glass is a pioneer in the world of glass technology and has been for a long time. Not to mention, well respected in their specialty world.

Improving scratch resistance is something they have been constantly working on for many decades. Try this: grab a sheet of float glass and try to scratch it. Much easier than scratching GG using the same pressure and tools. Their claims can be tested, so calling it hype is perhaps wrong-headed.

BTW, I am not a shill for CG. What would be the point? Perhaps trying to persuade the gathered group to purchase the material? I do not think posting a link to the manufacturer of the material being discussed constitutes "shilling."

I pointed you to a page about the Corning manufactured material with plenty of information about why the glass is quite good at doing what it does and why their claims are not marketing hype. Who better than CG to address your claims and perhaps learn you a thing or two about why GG is a great product?

Now you are upset because I told you to educate yourself before posting something that is demonstrably untrue and very false. Not to mention, unfair to the company.

You now call what you posted a 'differing opinion' but you did not post opinions, you flatly stated it as a fact with a link to a Mohs Scale article that really did not apply in this case, because glass can range in hardness depending on how it is produced, compounded, formulated, coated or otherwise processed. I posted rebuttal containing facts or links to them and you call that shilling.

Where is your proof that GG is fake and nothing more than clever marketing? If you want to discuss this, then you post a few links to reputable sites that can adequately persuade me that GG is all hype and no substance, and I'll rethink my comments.

So, again, I'll apologize if you were insulted. It was not my intent. I am bothered with matter of fact statements made by posters that clearly do not know the facts or the technical aspects of the subjects they talk about. Again, sorry if you took it wrong, but I have long personal expeirnece with optical glass technology; it is sometning I know a hell of a lot about.

In fact, I am writing a book about glass. Much of the book concerns certain Corning Glass products like their specialty technical optical filters and photographic products. Not Gorilla Glass, however.

So again, no insult intended, just educate yourself before you post. Gorilla Glass is not a fake, it is just ore material in a long line of materials that serve to address scratching issues and toughness.

Bob
 
i have not used a screen protector on my mt3g for like 8 months, and so far no scratches. I want to buy one, but i feel like i am getting ripped off, $10 for 3 little 3.2 inch pieces of plastic. I heard amazon sells some for like less than a buck, but i dont trust the quality.
 
If it scratches it scratches. Its a phone to be used and abused. Its not a fine work of priceless art. In another year I will get a new phone. My droid screen only has one scratch and going on a year of having it. Its most of that time had no screen protector and in my front pocket all the time. Been covered in powder coating on more than one occasion from work. the glass works great but I would never try and purposely scratch my phone. Thats plain dumb.

While I do agree with you..

I also hate when my phone gets scratched to the point of looking disgusting every time I look at it.
 
i have not used a screen protector on my mt3g for like 8 months, and so far no scratches. I want to buy one, but i feel like i am getting ripped off, $10 for 3 little 3.2 inch pieces of plastic. I heard amazon sells some for like less than a buck, but i dont trust the quality.

you do realize there is a huge disagreement what you just wrote that made me LOL. :D
 
I was under the impression that the Samsung Galaxy S phones did not use Gorilla Glass. Am I wrong about that? If I'm right, than that video is very misleading.
 
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