Geez... Mac doesn't even have an uninstall feature.... :-/

[Member243850]

Well this is a bit of a ... "surprise"?

I am really shocked.... (very disappointed in a way?) because I decided to see what all the fuss is about Mac so I went out and bought myself a cheapie 2nd hand Mac to see what it is like.

So... it is very nice ... in fact it is extremely nice! Buuuuuuuuttt.... there are some scary problems here... and I mean like VERY scary... I can't even uninstall an application properly :-/

(Scary!!!)

That is just down right.... pathetic to put it bluntly.... that is really bad which is a bog standard feature in just about every other device / computer out there... even an old Nokia from the 1600's has the uninstall feature built into Symbian os... ffs....

Also the "alt tab" feature to quickly switch between applications just like windows - it is present here but it really sucks and is like VERY buggy :-/

it can be like HORRIBLY buggy at times... wow.

It shows the application icon and when I let go to select it a different application ... it just doesn't switch over to the application? Geez.... this is just instantaneous in windows and other Linux distro's for example...

Geez.... are they smoking something there at Apple?

it has got some amazing strengths I can see of but I mean seriously not even having a built in uninstall feature is freaking scary and really pathetic :-/

How come nobody in charge of Apple has been fired yet over this very big issue?

I am shocked they haven't "fixed" (you can't fix something if it doesn't even exist yet!!) these features yet really really scary man.

If I was in charge I would start kicking some serious pork but until it was properly implemented and made a feature.

how can you even dream of competing properly if you don't even have a bog standard feature as your competitors?

but yes it is extremely well built the machine and the software has got some amazing points being Unix / linux based I could easily enter the commands I remember from long ago nice memories

Also the perceived virus protection is a great plus but is Mac really better than windows if I were to choose it as my main OS?

Damn .... they seem to be really behind the times in certain areas....

Don't get me wrong I absolutely love certain things about it but and how certain things work.... some of the "features" don't even work properly and you have to go manually deleting items from all over the place and even then it is still not properly uninstalled........................................... errr.... damn :-/

Will they ask me to take out my abacus next?

...

 

[mikedt]

I would have bought an Apple Lisa myself.

 

[Hadron]

Apps on Macs have a simpler structure than on Windows, e.g. no "registry" entries to worry about, so maybe it doesn't need an "uninstall" feature. Some apps do have their own uninstallers, but for most you just drag the app into the trash and empty it. I'm sure that some do leave some bits and pieces lying around if you do that though (there wouldn't be utilities for tidying up if they didn't).

I never use the alt-tab thing ("command-tab" on a mac), but when I tried it just now it worked fine: came up with a list of apps, I kept pressing tab while still holding the "command" key until it highlighted the one I wanted then released, and it immediately switched. And believe me I have this one very overloaded with open apps and Windows. However, it does only do that if the app is on the same desktop, which I suspect might be the problem you've encountered. If you use the Dock to switch apps the first click on an app icon brings that app to the foreground (including any Windows open in that desktop), but you have to click it again to switch to a different desktop. With the command-tab thing you can't click twice, so it just brings the app to the foreground: if you look at the menu bar you will see that it has changed apps, but unless there is a window open in that desktop it won't have brought the window to the front. I generally use the dock or "mission control" (the expanded view of apps and desktops) to switch apps rather than the command-tab thing.

I do think that Linux has a better implementation of multiple desktops. Most of my problem with Apple's handling of this is that in their minds people will use different desktops for different apps, and that assumption colours the way things work, whereas I think it far more sensible to use different desktops for different projects, often with instances of the same app in multiple desktops. But then Windows didn't have multiple desktops at all until Windows 10, which is one reason I could never take it seriously as a platform for doing actual work (I've been using multiple virtual workspaces since the early 90s, more than 20 years before Microsoft decided to support it - and I suspect many Win 10 users don't realise it's there even now).

I find the annoyances are more at the level of giving you less control, and hiding options or even information, compared to Linux. Other stuff is just differences in interfaces (the app's menus being in a bar at the top rather than in the window is the most obvious one), so different ways of doing things. Coming primarily from a Linux background I didn't find it too much of an adjustment, but I treat it largely as an old-style unix box anyway: my most-used app is "terminal" and the bash shell, and I rarely use the Finder at all.

 

[Member243850]

Well it is kind of pathetic how I still have to go and manually remove bits and pieces all over the place but thank you for the awesome response

It is infuriating actually I just can't understand it... If you have your competitors (Windows and Linux in this order mainly) and they have had a feature that has been around for decades (literally) how can anyone take you seriously if you won't even decide to come up to speed / terms with all of your opposition?

Yes sometimes the command (I meant command when I said alt haha ) + tab button just doesn't seem to work it is hit and miss but more than likely might be due to the reason that like you said it depends on the application / software and wether or not it is fully opened or perhaps minimized.

Still I think certain things are just shocking though and makes me look at them a bit side ways like this ---->. :-/

 

[Unforgiven]

Moved to computers.

 

[Member243850]

This uninstall feature reminds me of Lumbergh from Office Space where there is a really crazy leader that doesn't seem to really care about anything

It is like they had someone at Apple smoking drugs as a leader who thought it would be an awesome idea to not have an uninstall feature in the OS

lol!

"Ummmmm yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah... It would be just great if we just remove all the features and not do anything because it will just cost us too much money to actually do anything soooooooooo ... ummm yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaah"

Are the people at Apple "okay" up stairs?

 

[zuben el genub]

I had to name all my files with &^&*O expletive deleted on the school's Macs. Never did figure out how to use the chooser to find stuff.

The school also kept a sort of short cut to the hard drive on the desktop. One kid got really going when cleaning up and dragged that icon to the trash. Talk about pandemonium.

 

[Hadron]

The inconsistencies are more annoying to me than the different ways of working. Let's consider switching apps:

I can understand how the dock mostly works. If for example I click on my "sublime text" shortcut in a workspace that doesn't have any windows open I may want to open a new window there rather than jump to an open window in a different workspace. So it's reasonable that it brings the app to the foreground, allowing me to use the app's menu to open a new window where I am, or indeed use that menu to let me choose a particular open window to jump to. If I did want to switch to a different workspace where there was a window open I can click a second time, though if that was what I wanted I'd be better off right-clicking on the icon to select the window I want to shift to, rather than just let it switch to whatever window is "next in line" (which is effectively random). So the normal behaviour of app switching via the dock is sensible.

With the command+tab thing you can't give it a second click, so they had to pick one or other of those behaviours: either just bring the app to the front or change workspaces. If you only had one window open in a different workspace then probably switching would be better, but if you have multiple windows open in multiple workspaces switching to one at random probably isn't helpful. So in that case bringing the menu up, which lets you choose a window to switch to, is something I can understand (though it requires that you spot the menu come up and know that this is how it works).

But the real annoyance is that there are exceptions! All of the above is how it works if I select a web browser, my email app, text editor, Preview, one of my videoconferencing apps, etc. But if I select an MS Office app, whether through a single click on the dock or via command+tab, it immediately shifts me to another workspace with an open Window in it. So it works differently for those apps than from most others! That is the sort of thing that annoy me, and of course makes it much harder for new or casual users to work out what is going on and how it is supposed to behave. The same apps produce a related annoyance, where when you close one window it jumps you to the next in its list even if that is in a different workspace.

In fact, thinking about it a lot of my annoyance with the way Apple handles workspaces really comes down to the way MS Office apps change the behaviour. So maybe I should really be directing my annoyance at Microsoft instead?

 

[Member243850]

Man .... how in the world did a company like Apple become so successful when they have such vital features missing from their os??

I just can't comprehend it.... what just happened??

Maybe someone should add this in one of those top 10 unexplainable things? :-D

Wow I think I must stop working 24 hours a day 7 days a week and go into software!

People will pay like 10 000$ for something that doesn't even work properly!

I am in the wrong industry!!!

 

[zuben el genub]

The inconsistencies are more annoying to me than the different ways of working. Let's consider switching apps:

I can understand how the dock mostly works. If for example I click on my "sublime text" shortcut in a workspace that doesn't have any windows open I may want to open a new window there rather than jump to an open window in a different workspace. So it's reasonable that it brings the app to the foreground, allowing me to use the app's menu to open a new window where I am, or indeed use that menu to let me choose a particular open window to jump to. If I did want to switch to a different workspace where there was a window open I can click a second time, though if that was what I wanted I'd be better off right-clicking on the icon to select the window I want to shift to, rather than just let it switch to whatever window is "next in line" (which is effectively random). So the normal behaviour of app switching via the dock is sensible.

With the command+tab thing you can't give it a second click, so they had to pick one or other of those behaviours: either just bring the app to the front or change workspaces. If you only had one window open in a different workspace then probably switching would be better, but if you have multiple windows open in multiple workspaces switching to one at random probably isn't helpful. So in that case bringing the menu up, which lets you choose a window to switch to, is something I can understand (though it requires that you spot the menu come up and know that this is how it works).

But the real annoyance is that there are exceptions! All of the above is how it works if I select a web browser, my email app, text editor, Preview, one of my videoconferencing apps, etc. But if I select an MS Office app, whether through a single click on the dock or via command+tab, it immediately shifts me to another workspace with an open Window in it. So it works differently for those apps than from most others! That is the sort of thing that annoy me, and of course makes it much harder for new or casual users to work out what is going on and how it is supposed to behave. The same apps produce a related annoyance, where when you close one window it jumps you to the next in its list even if that is in a different workspace.

In fact, thinking about it a lot of my annoyance with the way Apple handles workspaces really comes down to the way MS Office apps change the behaviour. So maybe I should really be directing my annoyance at Microsoft instead?

You old enough to remember the old WordPerfect keys?
Shift F7 to print? F10 save? Talk about confusion.

 

[Hadron]

I never used WordPerfect - when that was at it's peak I was mainly using mainframes or DEC Vax systems. Though I'm old enough to have programmed IBM JCL, if that helps

 

[Member243850]

Thank you buddy neither am I a pro by any means but I do know some old Linux commands and such here and there

But still not a Unix / Linux commando lol

Well that is a really nice analogy! Thank you for taking the time to try and explain it to me in a different and interesting / easy to understand way

But I still think it's quite bad how they didn't add or implement a simple uninstall feature it feels like they just didn't want to do any work and wanted you to pay a lot of money for something that is not even fully functional :/

It's very bad in my opinion and reminds me of how easy it is to become "successful" (I don't know if not having full features truly means you are successful or not?) like apple has become lol

Anyway I am really shocked there is no uninstall feature on here I had to download "CleanMyMac 3" or something like that and it worked fine but now wants me to pay more money for the full set of features lol

It is like selling a car to someone that only goes forwards and can't revers its kind of insane (not as extreme but you get the idea maybe could find a better example that shows how crazy it is) because it's not got a full set of features onboard really bizarre :/