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Glad I got the Prime
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Godineedaphone
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Absolutely. Their BS claim that their dual core AS5 processor is 4-5times faster than the Tegra 3 is complete BS. I will say that apple does make some damn fine displays though.
Apple doesn't make any displays. Apple doesn't make anything. Apple buys the displays from Samsung, then they buy their A5X from samsung, and put it together.
Funny thing is I heard a story Samsung was being a bugger and telling Apple they couldn't make a screen as good as Retina (reason why the iPad 2 was not given retina) And now the next samsung tab is to get a higher res screen and more pixels lol. It is coming soon I believe.
I'm happy with my Prime but I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little envious of the screen resolution and the graphics processor.
The SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2 is quite a bit faster than Tegra 3 when it comes to graphics and the new iPad uses the MP4 which is twice as fast, so they did not exaggerate by much.
I'm sure I've read somewhere the display on the new ipad is made by Sharp.
The SGX543MP2 in the iPad 2 is quite a bit faster than Tegra 3 when it comes to graphics and the new iPad uses the MP4 which is twice as fast, so they did not exaggerate by much.
I'm sure I've read somewhere the display on the new ipad is made by Sharp.
jimmydee62
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I prefer my prime over all others I did a lot of research prior to buying mine and the prime has a lot more pros then cons then most. So prime is my choice.
I believe I read that they used three suppliers for the displays because samsung was giving grief. Makes sense they would, apple sues them daily.
Also, a faster gpu doesnt make the whole chip faster?? It is as strong as the weakest link. If the cpu is the same as the A5, then it is slower than the tegra 3. The graphics could be 4 times faster, but unless the cpu is changed, it is slower.
Think of it as adding a new 500 dollar nvidia graphics card to a pentium 4. The pentium 4 is the same speed. So changing gpu increases graphics performance, and can be compared to the tegra 3 gpu, not the cpu.
So, unless the cpu is 4 times faster, we know this is an exaggeration. They said the A5 was twice as fast as the tegra 3, which it is obviously not, being lied to once makes me real hesitant to believe their made up hype... my 2 cents.
Not sure I understand your point, the slide I've seen claimed the A5X was 4x faster in graphics performance, this could very well be true and if not won't be far off.
Most games and applications are not multithreaded anyway having four cores probably won't help at all in most cases.
You completely lost me the pentium 4 example, they both use the cortex a9, only difference is clockspeeds and number of cores, most games don't even take advantage of the second core, never mind a third and a fourth.
I don't see much of a case at all to suggest MP4 will be limited by not having a quad core version of the a9
In the presentation, Tim Cook said the A5X was 4 times faster. My point is, its hard to have a processor that is faster, by only increasing the GPU? That makes not sense.
Pentium example - Will a pc with this processor (half the cores) be faster than a computer with a core 2 (two cores = twice the cores), simply because the pentium has a better gpu?
No, it is limited directly at the cpu. Increasing the GPU in the ipad was neccesary to push all of the pixels. The GPU was increased because of the higher res screen.
Thus, saying the A5X is 4 times faster because of a powerful GPU, makes little sense. Graphically speaking, it may be faster, but Tim Cook said The A5X is 4 times faster than the Tegra 3.
The claim that the A5 was twice as fast as the tegra 3 was completely off, as any benchmark will show.
The claim the A5X is four times as fast, will MOST likely be far off again.
Please don't give the classic line: But most things aren't optimized for four cores. I'd rather have more than less, and then have to use the excuse "but my two cores are better because!..."
I think what happened at the new ipad announcement was some clever apple marketing.
They didn't want to talk about how their new iPad was still a dual core processor. Instead, they made no mention of that, and the whole thing was about the QUAD CORE GPU.. I think that most apple fans don't know much about much, otherwise they wouldn't be buying apple lol. So, to them they see Quad Core, and they go: take that ! we have a quad core chip!
But really, its still the same old dual core chip. Smart marketing will have ordinary people believing they are buying a quad core device.
If you care about the omg QUAD CORE in the A5X, consider the fact that the Tegra 3's GPU has 12 cores. That means 3 times more cores. To the average person, thats 3 times faster.
Smart Apple marketing made a chip that is the same year old CPU look like a new quad core. Necessary GPU bump to push the pixels, same CPU, Apple continually re-releases the same product yearly and everyone goes crazy.
Apple people are crazy, they pick fights over everything, and then try to compare their device and explain why its better. They do this because they are so insecure that they are running inferior products
Edit: Not calling anyone here in this forum an apple person, as I don't know what devices anyone owns. Just saying Apple people in general, are a little "off". Just clarifying before a mod jumps all over this as usual
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They didn't want to talk about how their new iPad was still a dual core processor. Instead, they made no mention of that, and the whole thing was about the QUAD CORE GPU.. I think that most apple fans don't know much about much, otherwise they wouldn't be buying apple lol. So, to them they see Quad Core, and they go: take that ! we have a quad core chip!
But really, its still the same old dual core chip. Smart marketing will have ordinary people believing they are buying a quad core device.
If you care about the omg QUAD CORE in the A5X, consider the fact that the Tegra 3's GPU has 12 cores. That means 3 times more cores. To the average person, thats 3 times faster.
Smart Apple marketing made a chip that is the same year old CPU look like a new quad core. Necessary GPU bump to push the pixels, same CPU, Apple continually re-releases the same product yearly and everyone goes crazy.
Apple people are crazy, they pick fights over everything, and then try to compare their device and explain why its better. They do this because they are so insecure that they are running inferior products
Edit: Not calling anyone here in this forum an apple person, as I don't know what devices anyone owns. Just saying Apple people in general, are a little "off". Just clarifying before a mod jumps all over this as usual
.While showing a slide that clearly said graphics performance, I wonder what he was refering too?
Depends on the application being run as it always does, in games yes having a faster GPU will be more beneficial than another two cores which will go largely unused in most android applications and games.
But did you consider they may run at half the resolution and simply upscale?
Screen is twice the resolution of Android tablets and has at least twice the performance of tegra 3 when it comes to graphics, say what you like but they were first with these features.
Don't you think your being a bit harsh?
Exactly, Their macbooks have looked the same for ages, the ipad looks the same as it did 3 years ago, and it does the same things. I have a first gen touch, and a 3rd gen, they are identical.
Its so locked down, adding a higher res screen is pretty much all you can do, they won't allow any ports or connectivity.
They manage to pump up a product that if an android company sold, would fail epically. They are able to market their product in such a way, they create mindless drones that are on the repeat buy cycle of every product. They have a phenomenal marketing team, that is for sure.
They make extremely basic products, that they dont let you use, yet so many people go insane over. They literally will fight to the bitter end saying that their device is better! Personally, I believe they do because they are truly insecure about spending so much and getting so little.
How much hype did the new iPad get? For what? The same processor, with a bump in the gpu, and more pixels? Yet it is thicker and heavier than the previous model, has a front facing camera that is .7 pixels? has no connectivity?
But Android tablets release constantly with usb ports, hdmi, a keyboard that turns it to a netbook, a quad core tablet with a fifth companion core, and a 12 core gpu. But all the hype was the iPad. Makes little sense if you think about it. Apple is an inferior product, always has been.
12 cores that can't even match the 2 on the SGX543MP2, nevermind the MP4 on the new iPad.
That's probably why theres not much hype about that.
ylexot
Android Expert
You keep mentioning the MP4, but the only time I've heard of MP4 is as a video file format. And of course, Googling MP4 just comes back with lots of stuff about video. What is it?12 cores that can't even match the 2 on the SGX543MP2, nevermind the MP4 on the new iPad.
That's probably why theres not much hype about that.
Frisco
=Luceat Lux Vestra=
That got me curious about Apple manufacturing suppliers:
Apple Suppliers 2011
The following is an alphabetical listing of Apple production suppliers. These suppliers represent 97 percent of Apple
The following is an alphabetical listing of Apple production suppliers. These suppliers represent 97 percent of Apple
12 cores that can't even match the 2 on the SGX543MP2, nevermind the MP4 on the new iPad.
That's probably why theres not much hype about that.
I own both an ipad 2, and prime. The iPad is a kiddie toy.
Can I ask, do you own a Transformer Prime?
Adding pixels that will probably never be noticeably utilized and making unverified claims as to the power of a GPU are not innovations. They're marketing. I stand by what I said.
Does it really matter.
Android and iPad both have their place in the market, regardless of specs. I prefer my Prime compared to iPad because Android is by far and away the most flexible tablet/phone OS for me, I love the whole idea of widgets, and the ability to experiment, get under the bonnet. The Prime is the best Android tablet at the moment so the choice is obvious for me. I find the constraints of iOS just frustrating regardless of how many pixels it has.
However, if I were to recommend a tablet to my mum or dad for example, I would probably recommend an iPad because they want something that works with the minimum of tech know-how.
Each to their own. The number of pixels is an irrelevance.
Android and iPad both have their place in the market, regardless of specs. I prefer my Prime compared to iPad because Android is by far and away the most flexible tablet/phone OS for me, I love the whole idea of widgets, and the ability to experiment, get under the bonnet. The Prime is the best Android tablet at the moment so the choice is obvious for me. I find the constraints of iOS just frustrating regardless of how many pixels it has.
However, if I were to recommend a tablet to my mum or dad for example, I would probably recommend an iPad because they want something that works with the minimum of tech know-how.
Each to their own. The number of pixels is an irrelevance.
I've never owned an iPad, in fact I've never owned an Apple product but that doesnt mean I can't recognise the advantages of the hardware they choose.
Yes, I have a Prime.
I sort of agree but allot of users don't, also the higher resolution will make games allot sharper, maybe nvidia could release an app much like the control panel you get on the PC to enable some extras like AA/AF.
Chainfire did it so I don't see why not.