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How Obama earned some points from me ...

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rsarno

Thank Me, Im Irish!
I was as hardcore anti-obama as they come! I mean really, the guy has ZERO documented success in running anything at all. He appeared to be nothing more than a glorified salesman! The best salesman i have ever seen, in fact.

However I have to say, I am seeing a new light lately. I dont think he has accomplished much, but considering what he is working with I cant see how anyone else would have done any better.

But the real reason is because it is becoming more and more obvious that Congress has turned their cheek to him. He has recently put through some amazing Bill's, and congress shoots them down without question!

He put forth this latest Jobs bill, congress shot it down. So he submitted it in individual pieces in hopes they would just reject the pieces they didn't like .. they rejected them all. WTF?

But the day i felt a change of heart, was the day a few months ago when he was on the podium and spoke to the rich people (the 1%'ers). He said "its not class warfare, its math! We need your money, sorry for the inconvenience". Thats ballsy! Everyone else in politics is tipsy-toeing around these rich guys, while the rest of the country is in critical situations. They are so afraid to piss them off and have them leave, or not fund their next campaign. Not Obama .. "Eff you rich people, we need your money now more than ever" is the message he sent.

Im not an Obama fanboy, like i said i am fresh on this side of the fence ... but i think now he is the one getting an unfair shake. I think Congress should lighten up and let the man try something, anything, to fix this train wreck we are all involved in.
 
I'm sorry but I'm not buying what he, or any other politician for that matter, is currently selling. They are turning this into a taxing the rich debate to pull focus from the REAL problem... federal government spending. That's it. Period. When you're broke as a person you don't continue spending money on lavish items and then consternate for 15min on the decision to supersize your value meal or not based on cost savings and overall budgeting. That's basically what this is about.

This guy explains it pretty well:

Bill Whittle - Let's Just Eat the Rich! - YouTube
 
When Dems controlled the House and had a more secure on the Senate, Obama / Dems muscled quite a few bills through. Now that it's a rough split, the government stalls and Obama is playing the 'victim' and 'is trying, but Congress doesn't wanna...' game. And it's always the Republicans that are causing the problems. Never the Democrats that no longer support him.

Granted, a Republican president (given the same circumstance) would be doing the same thing. If the government was really all about fixing the deficit and balancing the budget, we would stop playing world police, withdraw fully from Iraq and Afghanistan (among other places), and no invade Syria and Iran (like it looks like we're planning for right now). Oh, and the Federal Reserve would need to go.
 
jerofld said:
If the government was really all about fixing the deficit and balancing the budget, we would stop playing world police, withdraw fully from Iraq and Afghanistan (among other places), and no invade Syria and Iran (like it looks like we're planning for right now). Oh, and the Federal Reserve would need to go.
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Ron Paul 2012 :D
 
One word comes to mind. re-election.

Obama has always been a weak president. When the Democrats ran Congress they told him what to do. Don't be fooled by his sudden change. It's just he wants 4 more years.
 
Obama was hoping for exactly the reaction you just gave! He is trying to court more votes for the upcoming election and will say what is needed to do so, usually what he is told to say.
 
I think the republicans will do more for Obama's reelection than Obama will. With the front runner changing every day...and some real odd balls, too. Like Newt. There's no way in hell he'd become president.

IMO, the only two viable Republican candidates are Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. Romney because he's not a flash-in-the-pan type of guy and does have a decent structure to him. Paul because he actually wants to fix the government, instead of pandering to banks and coorperations.
 
The Republican candidate race has really gone to the dogs.
Cain knows zero about anything outside company management, and really would implode against Obama.
Bachmann... she wont get the nomination, and would never get enough votes in a Presidential election
Rick Perry is basically an idiot.. and who wants another dubya?
Havent heard anything bad per se about Paul of late but he wont get the nomination - same goes for Johnson
Cant understand how Romney is doing so mediocre - he has the best chance of the lot, and certainly one of the few alright (in relative terms) candidates.
 
ElasticNinja said:
The Republican candidate race has really gone to the dogs.
Cain knows zero about anything outside company management, and really would implode against Obama.
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And Obama's experience is what? How long was he a Senator? What qualifications does Obama have to be president that Cain doesn't?

Maybe a businessman is just what the country needs in office, stop running it like the status quou and run it like you would a successful business.

Not that it really matters, Obama's total lack of experience just further solidified my belief that the president is a political puppet.
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
And Obama's experience is what? How long was he a Senator? What qualifications does Obama have to be president that Cain doesn't?

Maybe a businessman is just what the country needs in office, stop running it like the status quou and run it like you would a successful business.

Not that it really matters, Obama's total lack of experience just further solidified my belief that the president is a political puppet.
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Obama, *had* some years as a Senator under his belt. Also, he can actually comprehend some things outside the US :p
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
2 or 3?

And I would expect so since he is from outside the U.S.! :p (sorry, couldn't resist that one)
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Indeed, just 2 or 3. Still multitudes better then none at all. I would guess the case could be argued regarding the problems of long serving politicians too.

Damn Hawaiins :p

Any, this is the man you want as President tbh
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ElasticNinja said:
Indeed, just 2 or 3. Still multitudes better then none at all. I would guess the case could be argued regarding the problems of long serving politicians too.

Damn Hawaiins :p

Any, this is the man you want as President tbh
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Nah...this is who we want!

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couldn't resist that one either...

Now back on topic or else!
 
SamuraiBigEd said:
Obama was hoping for exactly the reaction you just gave! He is trying to court more votes for the upcoming election and will say what is needed to do so, usually what he is told to say.
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I know where your coming from, and normally id be on that side of the fence with you. But i have to say no way!

The Bill's he put through to congress were legit! They made sense! They would really help things! But congress killed them.

So Obama didn't stop there, he tore them apart and figured this way Congress can just reject the pieces that were ultimately a problem for them ... all pieces rejected. All of them!

As i said im all about Obama-Bashing, but this appears to be a setup. congress is sick of his sh*t and wants him out (i guess). I wouldnt be surprised if the next president puts forth the same exact Bill and has it passed lol
 
ElasticNinja said:
Rick Perry is basically an idiot.. and who wants another dubya?
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As someone from Texas, I have to really take issue with this. Perry's actually a BIGGER idiot than Dubya....and I actually regard Dubya a great big doofus.....if that tells you anything....


The thing that rubs me wrong about the GOP is how many of them have taken the "no new taxes" pledge from that piece of garbage Grover Norquist. 60 minutes did a piece on him and you can't help think this guy represents EVERYTHING that's wrong with this country. Special interests take a hold of our legislators and instead of them legislating what's best for the country, they prostitute themselves to the highest bidder. I find the Democrats to be almost as repugnant in their inability to govern but at least they don't try to preach "family values" to me while they're either hiding their homosexuality or hiding their infidelity. I mean look at Newt, he left his wife while she was fighting cancer to marry a younger woman. Is that really the guy that's leading in the Republican primary polling? My hate of the GOP makes right-wing koolaid drinkers think I'm a liberal democrat, but I'm only considered "left" because they're so far to the right of everyone they know INCLUDING Ronald Regan.....

Oh and here's the video from the 60 minutes video earlier this week. This guy represents EVERYTHING that's wrong with this country and I can't imagine voting for ANYONE that's signed his "pledge" The Pledge: Grover Norquist's hold on the GOP - 60 Minutes - CBS News


As far as Obama is concerned, at least he hasn't taken us to war with faulty intelligence, even though the right call him a socialist, he didn't sign into law the biggest act of socialism (the bank bailout), and no one's ever thrown a shoe at him....in a foreign country that's not his wife (She looks like a shoe thrower to me!). I wonder if he'd be successful if he didn't have the right hoping that he'd fail or obstruct a lot of his plans. George Bush was able to push his bad policy onto the American people, what's the worse that can happen, another 4 years of poor Bush-like policies?
 
If Norquist is such a great lobbyist, it's a shame he didn't make himself useful and lobby for action on climate change or something. There is no way around tax rises, funny thing is, before George W Bush came along federal taxes could've stayed at a stable percent of GDP even as "entitlement" need increased
 
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