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I'm SICK of Verizon. (rant)

vnyislesv

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So as I've said a few times, I was told by VZW I would be getting a Razr for my bionic which I got for my TB since they never release any updates and its such a pain in the a**. This is a few emails I got/sent this morning with the district manager. Its on going so I'll update as needed.

Hey Alex, Just following up with you, I forgot who I spoke to on the 31st, he told me we'll be swapping out my Bionic for a Razr once they release them. Well, everyone who pre-ordered on androidforums.com (great website) has confirmations they'll be receiving theirs by tomorrow no later than 3pm so I left a message today with that number that called me with no reply.

I'm off tomorrow so I figured we could set something up before 5 or Friday before 12. I appreciate you helping me, its now the 2nd time, as I said in the previous email.

Call me anytime tomorrow and thanks again.

Hi Dave,

Thanks for the follow-up. What you read n androidforums.com sounds correct, these will be available for those customers who are conducting a standard upgrade or new line of service. I spoke with Gabriel from the X location, he is the person who called you. As promised, we will be providing you with a RAZR replacement device once they are made available, they will not be available at launch. He will be contacting you once the replacement devices are made available so we can proceed with getting you into the new device. I just circled back with him to remind him to do so, thanks and hope you have a great day.

Thanks,
Alex


So I'll be getting a device that someone else deemed bad? You know... LIKE THE OTHER PHONES I'VE HAD SUCH GREAT LUCK WITH?

No thanks Alex.

...I was not promised a "replacement" device, I would have turned it down right then and there. I was told and I quote. "I spoke to Alex and we're going to get you into a Razr when they're launched".

3 bionics, 3 thunderbolts, all replacement devices, no updates, promises updates will be out, time after time, month after month, and nothing. Months pass like days and you're telling me to wait for a busted device again that "has passed our vigorous 101 pt test by our trained technicians".

No thank you.

If you would like to further discuss this on the phone, please do, my number is, X but tonight when everyone is off work, we will be discussing transferring to another carrier, one that doesn't send out broken devices and promise they'll work, like this.

I'm so sick of these a******s and the game they play. BTW this accounts been open 7-10 years with an average bill of $300. Its not some small account...
 
So you're tired of them bending over backwards to help you? You need to wait for a refurb unit.
The last 6 refurbs I got were all bigger problems than the previous.

The "last" bionic I had, heres how it went down.

I took my sd card/sim card/battery from my current bionic.

I opened the box fedex delivered;

removed the phone, put everything in, powered on.

Looking at the phone boot up, watching the screen go into an absolute seizure. Pull the battery and reboot. watch the boot screen, watch the screen go into an absolute seizure. My 3rd "replacement". Couldn't make a phone call, couldn't send a text message, couldn't do anything but watch the screen and its magical light show.

Then drive to the store, show them, they contact the DM and this is where we're at. I get a call saying I'll get a Razr when they drop, now its a replacement? Just like every other replacement?

If thats bending backwards for someone, then I'm speechless.
 
i agree i think your over reacting. I would just wait and get the refurb.
Thats the point. I know I'm a pain in the butt but when i spend a lot of money for a service they aren't providing, wheres the breaking point?

Not 1 "referb" was any better than the broken phone I had. In every single case it was just as bad or worse.

You say I'm over reacting but I waited 2+ months for an update that Verizon said was coming for the TB while my battery drained daily. While my phone reset 5+ times a DAY. Regardless if it was idle, I was on the phone, it didn't matter. 30% of my battery was gone on reboots alone for months straight.

Call up, the updates coming, don't worry.

2 weeks later, nothing. On and on and on. 2+ months of that, it gets tiring.

Now I have a bionic and the phones do the same thing, expect it gives me the BSOD and disconnects from 4g/3g nonstop.

I told them I don't even want a Razr, if the update comes out for the bionic but its been weeks and the same thing as the TB (which STILL hasn't gotten the update).

You call it over reacting, I call it, a breaking point.
 
actually, you are overreacting.

updates are passed from google to motorola, which are then passed to verizon, you are never promised an update. have you ever legitimately heard verizon say: "you are getting an update in 2 weeks regardless!"?

i highly doubt that. not all phones act the same, just because you have bad luck with your previous ones doesnt mean the next one you get will be bad.

a refurb is a rebuilt phone that goes through the test stages, the fact that the bionic you got went into a full blown screen seizure, may be direclty impacted by the delivery.

you have had 2 of the top of the line devices already, a Thunderbolt, and a Bionic

what updates do you need so badly to make your phone work better?
you are aware most of these phones come out in batches right? so basically if one is bad, essentially the others might be bad as well.

in a sense you are overreacting, some of us (myself and trophynuts i know) are on the moto droid x, trophy may be on his first one, im on my second one because charging the phone too much will result in the battery expanding and cracking the touchscreen underneath the top glass. i had to pay $99 to get a replacement, and this new replacement is just as good!

if i were you, i would take the refurb razr. is essentially the same thing as a Droid X, just thinner.


EDIT: btw: vzw doesnt have to send you the newest of the phones, that is why they are bending over backwards to help you, they value you as a customer, they just cannot give you a brand new $600 phone because you have problems with your previous ones.

take the refurb, your getting the latest and greatest for free. i dont see what the big deal is. most of us are paying $300 for the latest and greatest. who cares if its refurbished, its just a phone.

if your having this many issues with wanting updates, maybe you should look into different phones, htc, samsung, apple.
i just cant believe your upset because they are sending you a refurb phone of the brand new droid razr! FREE!!!! just doesnt make sense why you're so mad
 
if your having this many issues with wanting updates, maybe you should look into different phones, htc, samsung, apple.
i just cant believe your upset because they are sending you a refurb phone of the brand new droid razr! FREE!!!! just doesnt make sense why you're so mad
I spend a lot of money and the phone isn't performing as it should. I hardly use the internet/MMS with the bionic because the signal drops nonstop. (a known problem) So why am I paying $30/m? I'm not getting the service I'm paying for, right?

How about the BSOD? Verizon says an update is coming out to fix it, how long am I going to pay for my service while not being able to fully utilize what I'm paying for?

Thats why, I don't want a refurb. I paid full price for my TB, so its not like I'm trying to pull a fast one on them. They offered me a Razr, I never asked for it. Now they flip their words... I have to wait for someone to return it because he thinks it sucks, so I can pick up his garbage? No.
 
i have never heard of bsod on any android phone, bsod relates to a windows problem not linux

my brother in law has the bionic which i bought for him for a penny at amazon, he has no issues what so ever, granted i rooted the phone and put liberty on it, no phone in my family runs stock anymore.

and their is an update coming to the bionic, but no timeline has been given. your issues seem to just get worse i dont know why you are having such major issues out of 6 devices, as you said 3 tb's and 3 bionics.

if you have had verizon service for 7-10 years, they would be more than willing to compensate you for your troubles, there was no reason to blow up at a rep who is just relaying information he was given back to you. that is why we think you are overreacting.

it seems those reps are doing what they can to help you out, reps cannot just give you a brand new razr, i dont think verizon works like that. what they told you the first time might be different for the second time, because maybe the rep made a mistake, or maybe you heard incorrectly. my guess is its one of the 2, call back, or email back, apologize for being short with them, and explain to him the situation, and you might find your response from him more suitable to your needs
 
i have never heard of bsod on any android phone, bsod relates to a windows problem not linux

my brother in law has the bionic which i bought for him for a penny at amazon, he has no issues what so ever, granted i rooted the phone and put liberty on it, no phone in my family runs stock anymore.

and their is an update coming to the bionic, but no timeline has been given. your issues seem to just get worse i dont know why you are having such major issues out of 6 devices, as you said 3 tb's and 3 bionics.

if you have had verizon service for 7-10 years, they would be more than willing to compensate you for your troubles, there was no reason to blow up at a rep who is just relaying information he was given back to you. that is why we think you are overreacting.

it seems those reps are doing what they can to help you out, reps cannot just give you a brand new razr, i dont think verizon works like that. what they told you the first time might be different for the second time, because maybe the rep made a mistake, or maybe you heard incorrectly. my guess is its one of the 2, call back, or email back, apologize for being short with them, and explain to him the situation, and you might find your response from him more suitable to your needs

Are you sure you read everything I posted?? The email I shared here wasn't with a 'rep'. It was direct with the district manager. He knows the entire story. Hes been involved with this for 2 weeks now and was the one who offered me the Razr. I never asked for anything more than a "release date" that an update will be available so I can use everything my phone should allow me to use. AKA; THE INTERNET.

As far as the bionic. Look for yourself. The stock bionic has 2 main problems. 1 is the BSOD and 2 it loses the signal, a lot. The "update" is going to solve this, supposedly but theres no time frame for it besides, the beginning of Nov, which in my tainted eyes, has passed and STILL no release.

The issues I have with the TB wasn't how bad it was with the battery, it was, how many times it reset itself when I was using it, how many times, I would get a text or email, go to read it and it just freezes and reboots. Thats not acceptable. Thats a software glitch and if I start screwing around with things I'm not too knowledgeable of, I'll ruin my warranty or brick the phone... think VZW will help me then?

I'm pissed, very pissed, and from someone elses eyes, it might look like I'm going overboard but put yourself in my position for a minute, hear all the crap VZW has told me and then tell me again, how much more patience should I have while my bills never stop coming and certainly never lower themselves.

I'll say it again. I need a reliable phone. A phone that I can send text messages, make phone calls, send MMS, use the internet, which I pay for. When the phone doesn't allow me to do so or gives me problems most of the time, what am I paying outrageous prices for? I expect problems like that from T-Mobile or Metro PCS, not Verizon Wireless.
 
I agree with the OP. He bought a new TB, found it to be problematic, had it replaced under warranty The replacement was as bad or worse than the original. In my humble opinion, the OP should get what Verizon's agent/manager/rep promised.

There have been similar experiences reported on Sprint, and once the person having the problems is unable to resolve the issues at the local level, he has the option to contact the the CEO of Sprint (dan@sprint.com) via phone or email. Once Dan investigates the issues and the customer has valid issues, the problems are quickly resolved.

Good luck, I hope Verizon will rise and live up to your expectations. If not, give Sprint a chance, you will have a 30 FREE TRIAL, and if you aren't totally happy, it doesn't cost you anything.

The only reason I left Sprint is because my wife and I wanted the new iPhone 4 and Verizon's service in my area was far superior to AT&T (no dropped calls, ever!).

....and no, I am not a Sprint employee, stock holder, etc...
 
i didnt see the district manager part, but ok, so like i said, send them an email again, apologize for being upset, tell them you hope they understand why you are upset because you were told one thing and something different by someone else.

if your having this many issues, go for another phone, take the iphone, you think all these android phones are bad, you've had 6 different android phones, and none work the way you want it, while the rest of us get exactly what we want out of ours, thats why we dont understand your issues.

btw its still the first part of the month, updates always take a long time, if you were rooted you would find out that the update is probably already out and several rooted users are actually running it without any problems, and you cannot brick these moto phones, you can always get them back stock, and yes verizon will help you then because they wouldnt know anything you done to it.

im a veteran rooting/roming/themeing guy, i know what im talking about. when you tweak the OS on your phone 9 times out of 10 it works better.

you dont have to root or anything, it is a suggestion.

and what carrier would you go to that would give you better service anywhere in the world other than verizon?

im not sticking up for verizon, but your getting upset because you were told one thing, and get another, most of us have gone through that as well, im paying the same bill you are, with data, and sometimes my phone craps out and data isnt there, but it doesnt do it all the time, and i have a feeling that your phone doesnt do it all the time. did you request the bionic? how did you move from a tb to a bionic? why not a tb to a d3? or an X2?
 
I agree with the OP. He bought a new TB, found it to be problematic, had it replaced under warranty The replacement was as bad or worse than the original. In my humble opinion, the OP should get what Verizon's agent/manager/rep promised.

There have been similar experiences reported on Sprint, and once the person having the problems is unable to resolve the issues at the local level, he has the option to contact the the CEO of Sprint (dan@sprint.com) via phone or email. Once Dan investigates the issues and the customer has valid issues, the problems are quickly resolved.

Good luck, I hope Verizon will rise and live up to your expectations. If not, give Sprint a chance, you will have a 30 FREE TRIAL, and if you aren't totally happy, it doesn't cost you anything.

The only reason I left Sprint is because my wife and I wanted the new iPhone 4 and Verizon's service in my area was far superior to AT&T (no dropped calls, ever!).

....and no, I am not a Sprint employee, stock holder, etc...

yes the OP did purchase a phone and it wasnt working to his expectations, but everyone who buys an android phone should know its not going to work 100% all the time the right way. it always has kinks, its technology, i do not believe that all 6 of the phones he is getting is just one problem after another, i just do not believe that, and cannot believe that. that is just way to many, for one person to have at any given time, but regardless i hope he gets what he was promised, if not, then he wont, just have to keep getting refurbs til he is eligible for an upgrade.


btw how do you think the Droid Charge owners feel?

still on Froyo

any sign of GB yet? yes! only through rooting
 
OP, verizon doesn't make the phones, FYI. Letting you upgrade from a TB to a bionic is a big thing, then doing the same from a bionic to a razr...wow. I went from the inc1 to the inc2 through an insurance claim and I was/am super happy with it. Keep in mind, if this is a district manager you are talking to, he is taking time out of his busy day to try to help you. You being short/angry with him does you no good, as he could just as easily send you a samsung gem or something for your troubles. Kill them with kindness if you want something done above and beyond, which is exactly what they are doing. There is nothing written anywhere that says you will get a new phone if you complain about your old one. The fact you have been upgraded early twice now, SHOULD tell you they ARE going above and beyond. As a vzw rep I have scratched and clawed for customers to get a lot less than you already have. Stop complaining, they ARE trying to help you. If you think they aren't, go ahead and switch to att or sprint and see what happens. See how much you enjoy speaking to english speaking people on vzw's customer care center, compared to pakistan with sprint and att.
 
yes the OP did purchase a phone and it wasnt working to his expectations, but everyone who buys an android phone should know its not going to work 100% all the time the right way. it always has kinks, its technology, i do not believe that all 6 of the phones he is getting is just one problem after another, i just do not believe that, and cannot believe that. that is just way to many, for one person to have at any given time, but regardless i hope he gets what he was promised, if not, then he wont, just have to keep getting refurbs til he is eligible for an upgrade.


btw how do you think the Droid Charge owners feel?

still on Froyo

any sign of GB yet? yes! only through rooting

Thank you for the response. I am kind of in the middle between the Android and the Apple iPhone. I like the Android flexibility, but I like the quality and consistency of the iPhone Apps even more.

I still have an Android phone I play with, every month or so, I will swap it out with my iPhone on Verizon just to see if there is any reason to use it as my primary phone. So far, my iPhone 4 (not 4S) with OS5 is still the one I prefer.

Getting back to Verizon and the OP's problem...Verizon's customer satisfaction policies seem good when you read them, but by the time a customer has a chance to evaluate his new "toy", much of the time-limit for return has passed...and by the time Verizon has replaced his brand new phone with a previous customer's "retread", the customer satisfaction warranty has expired, leaving the customer (read OP) angry, bewildered and frustrated. This is why I have to side on the side of the OP. He apparently has a lot invested in his relationship with Verizon, and Verizon should bend over backwards to regain his confidence and retain their relationship with him.

These are the opinions of a "Senior Consumer", now retired after 55 years of working for a living.
 
OP think of this. When the first batch of RAZRS go into ReFurb mode a lot of if not majority of those phones were just Test units that various testers throughout Moto/VZW/ and probably Google were carrying for the last 3 months. They take those phones and just send them in to the refurb line. That doesn't mean something was wrong with those phones. Its just the natural process. Lets say you buy a new phone and you just don't like something about the phone but its not a defect you just don't like a certain aspect of it. So you return it. Not because it was faulty just because you weren't happy. Guess what that phone automatically goes to the ReFurb line even though nothing was wrong with it.

I'm actually on my 3rd DX.
I got the DX at launch. 7 days later i got a brand new replacement because of the speaker buzz.
I got a Refurb just a couple of months ago. This refurb has been flawless.

I've gotten other Refurbs from VZW in the past and they've been solid.

I really do think if you just have a little more patience that you will get a good device. Its unfortunate that you haven't already. I understand that. But maybe you should look at your other options.

You could leave VZW for another carrier....and get no unlimited data


Or you could stay with VZW especially since they are working with you and eventually i feel that you will be satisfied.
 
i didnt see the district manager part, but ok, so like i said, send them an email again, apologize for being upset, tell them you hope they understand why you are upset because you were told one thing and something different by someone else.

if your having this many issues, go for another phone, take the iphone, you think all these android phones are bad, you've had 6 different android phones, and none work the way you want it, while the rest of us get exactly what we want out of ours, thats why we dont understand your issues.

btw its still the first part of the month, updates always take a long time, if you were rooted you would find out that the update is probably already out and several rooted users are actually running it without any problems, and you cannot brick these moto phones, you can always get them back stock, and yes verizon will help you then because they wouldnt know anything you done to it.

im a veteran rooting/roming/themeing guy, i know what im talking about. when you tweak the OS on your phone 9 times out of 10 it works better.

you dont have to root or anything, it is a suggestion.

and what carrier would you go to that would give you better service anywhere in the world other than verizon?

im not sticking up for verizon, but your getting upset because you were told one thing, and get another, most of us have gone through that as well, im paying the same bill you are, with data, and sometimes my phone craps out and data isnt there, but it doesnt do it all the time, and i have a feeling that your phone doesnt do it all the time. did you request the bionic? how did you move from a tb to a bionic? why not a tb to a d3? or an X2?
I don't understand how you can say;

take the iphone, you think all these android phones are bad, you've had 6 different android phones, and none work the way you want it, while the rest of us get exactly what we want out of ours, thats why we dont understand your issues.
None of them work how I want but the rest of your phones work exactly what you want??????? You mean, not constantly rebooting, freezing and sending text messages to the wrong people? I guess I'm all alone there, its "me" not "everyone else". BS. You said I think, All android phones are bad? I had the incredible and thought it was the most amazing phone ever. So why are you consistently assuming things?

I don't want an iPhone, I want my DROID to work as promised, and if it has glitches, I expect them to be fixed in a timely manner. By that I don't have a set time, but I've given it 3+ months. Thats plenty of time, in my opinion.

And K4KAI is completely right. An account such as mine should get preferential treatment over a basic, new, account. But thats another story. I bought a new phone outright, dealt with problems for months, and no resolution was ever given, yet the bill never dropped. I was paying for a service I wasn't given.

To Jman42028;

I know Verizon doesn't make the phones and are very limited on actually knowing whats up with updates but that isn't my concern. Verizon sells the product, therefore, they're responsible for any issues customers have.

Look at it like this. I'm a butcher, I cut up cows/pigs/chickens for a living. If I sell a customer a bad piece of anything, who do they complain to? The farm or me? Verizon doesn't actually make phones, they have contracts with companies who do that for them. Then they represent them and make money. Any problem I have with a Moto phone, goes to Verizon, not Moto.

The conclusion?

The DM called me. I have a NEW Razr phone waiting for me at 11:11am tomorrow at my local store. Guess what his parting words were..........

"His friend (works for VZW) got a Razr 2 days ago and said the battery life is atrocious, if I agree to get a new one, his hands are tied in the future for helping me". I said, if the battery sucks, thats fine, I'm used to it with the TB, however, if its bad because of the same problems like I had with resets/freezes then I have a problem. He said no, theres no issues with that, it just sucks the battery dry, fast. I said sir, please hold one for me tomorrow, I'll be there and pick it up.

Thank you and goodnight, androidforums. <3
 
Most of your problems are because at least for me(and you) the TB was horrid. I had all kinds of issues with every one I had.

Terrible battery, earpiercing volume on every call regardless of the setting, random battery drains(40-50% in an hour sitting on my desk), text messages that would not send at random times. Rooting and dropping cyanogen on it helped some but I would still get the crazy battery drain every few days. Finally gave up and sold it.

Hope my new RAZR is better. I was getting burned out on my other phone.
 
what im saying is, you had "6" different phones!
each one did the same thing or something different, how can you get 6 bad phones back to back? and as stated before they were giving you the newest of the new after every 3rd phone, and you still werent happy. now you have a brand new razr. i think verizon has bent over backwards to get you what you want.
 
I completely agree with you. I have had noting but issues with Verizon providing me devices that don't work. Last year I went through 8 refurbs until they let me upgrade and this year I have had around 5. It is unacceptable for a company to do this to a customer that is locked into a contract that revolves around the defective piece of hardware that is constantly being replaced.

I absolutely hate Verizon at this point. They act like they are trying to help you but if they can't get you a working device what good is it? I have not had anything that I have had to replace so many times in my life. It is really getting old. If another carrier was decent in my area I would have switched long ago.

To people thinking that this guy is over reacting you are wrong to think that. As someone who is dealing with the same thing I am really pissed about it as well. Just because they are sending you a "new" phone does not mean it will magically work. They are sending you someone elses phone that was sent back and most likely was not fixed.
 
what im saying is, you had "6" different phones!
each one did the same thing or something different, how can you get 6 bad phones back to back? and as stated before they were giving you the newest of the new after every 3rd phone, and you still werent happy. now you have a brand new razr. i think verizon has bent over backwards to get you what you want.
I had an Incredible first and it was the absolute best phone I ever owned.

I had 3 TBs and 3 Bionics, all had the same or very close to the same problems, what is so hard to understand that I'm not knocking ALL android phones because 2 models SUCKED?

If I wanted to jump on the hippy bandwagon, I would have got an iPhone a long time ago.

I have the razr now, and while I haven't messed with it too much, I absolutely love it (so far). You know my biggest thing? A phone that actually works as it should. So far, this has.

Battery was 30% when I got it, 1 hour of charging got it to 70% and from 2-10, it went to 37% while I was sending text and picture messages to 14 different people. Not bad, I'd say. Not "atrocious" like someone said to me before ;)
 
I completely agree with you. I have had noting but issues with Verizon providing me devices that don't work. Last year I went through 8 refurbs until they let me upgrade and this year I have had around 5. It is unacceptable for a company to do this to a customer that is locked into a contract that revolves around the defective piece of hardware that is constantly being replaced.

I absolutely hate Verizon at this point. They act like they are trying to help you but if they can't get you a working device what good is it? I have not had anything that I have had to replace so many times in my life. It is really getting old. If another carrier was decent in my area I would have switched long ago.

To people thinking that this guy is over reacting you are wrong to think that. As someone who is dealing with the same thing I am really pissed about it as well. Just because they are sending you a "new" phone does not mean it will magically work. They are sending you someone elses phone that was sent back and most likely was not fixed.
You need to do what I did. Find a "higher up" at a local store and call them.
 
I agree with the refurbished devices not actually being fixed. I have been having issues with my android tablet that was replaced under warranty and when I received it, it was rooted when I booted it up and I hadn't done anything to it. I personally never root my devices due to having problems and having once been through 6 Eris and have also had the iPhone replaced 4 times due to Verizon telling me it was a phone issue and the same problem occuring on all phones. So they just seem to receive the devices back and package them to send them back out.

00smurf
 
Wow, this thread was quite a read. I'm just going to say that I'm only on my second Android. My first was on Cricket, the Ascend. Awesome learner phone. Totally unbrickable. When I got my X2 and got service with Verizon, I was blown away. The only problems I've had with this phone have been from my own fiddling around with it. X2 on Liberty ROM, 136 user apps, 145 system apps, some time to figure things out, and it's running like a charm. Even have the battery drain under control.
Years ago I was on Verizon for a few years, and had lots of issues with phones. They always did what they could to make things right. Verizon may charge quite a bit for their services, but I've always found them to be worth the extra bucks for a variety of reasons.
 
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I am currently a Sprint customer with unlimited everything plan for $78.86 after tax plus corporate discount. I am desperately looking to get on Verizon's network only if I can get unlimited data If you are interested in going with sprint unlimited I am willing to do a carrier swap and ill take over your Verizon account and you can have my sprint account

Hit me up with a pm if you are interested. If you are truly dissatisfied I'll take over as Verizon is good in my area and you can take my Sprint
 
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