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M9 getting hot afterall?

rushmore

rushmore

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Phandroid links to an article and seeing other posts on sites suggesting it does get hot. Seems a "worthy" discussion topic at this point.

Need more sampling, but initial reports are not suggesting it does not get toasty.
 
I think the issue may be that the upper thresholds of the 810 are too high for a small form factor so they will throttle it and it will still be fast.

Probably be great for a tablet that can afford more heat dissipation.
 
I'll say what I said in the article disqus comments here:

I don't really see how this is an issue.

According to the CPU Temp in statusbar xposed module, My Z1 reaches 60c when I play Injustice or Minecraft for 20 mins etc.

"The GFXBench used was meant to push a device to its limits, one that not even 3D games like Asphalt 8 or Assassin’s Creed: Pirates were capable of reaching."

So if the M9 doesn't get as hot as my current device when running something apparently more CPU/GPU intensive, that doesn't sound like an issue to me.
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The sad thing is they were probably running a benchmark on the M9 while focusing a heat lamp on it, while it was using a quick charge 2.0 compliant charger, meanwhile the other phones were in an ice bath with an air conditioner blowing on them /end sarcasm But really, the 810 story is a big bowl of rotten noodles that has no basis in fact.

Why won't people let this fake story die? ...Answer- Slow news day.


...Wait...Can I cook bacon on the M9 during benchmarks? mmm....bacon
 
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Will be interesting to see the benchmarks once the chipset is throttled to better fit the form factor. Even more interesting to see the 810 in a tablet that can handle a more uninhibited 810.

I do notice that HTC is quick to point out the software is not final in relation to heat, but not exactly cautioning on benchmarks either ;) Benchmarks will go down, but a relative thing. Should still be faster than current devices even when throttled some. The new Sammy chip in comparison will also be interesting.
 
I would once again recommend we wait to see IF the chipset is throttled to fit the form factor after the device is released to the public. So far all the articles are regurgitating the same story that was already debunked months ago. I feel like a broken record so I will say no more until I have a device in hand for testing. I prefer to wait until we can actually get verifiable real-world results before condemning something before anyone owns it.

If it does overheat I will use it to cook bacon...But somehow I don't see the device running at 55c in hand...That is 130
Fahrenheit, which would burn your hands while holding it...


::I await youtube video of reporter using M9 to cook bacon and eggs::
 
SolApathy said:
I would once again recommend we wait to see IF the chipset is throttled to fit the form factor after the device is released to the public. So far all the articles are regurgitating the same story that was already debunked months ago. I feel like a broken record so I will say no more until I have a device in hand for testing. I prefer to wait until we can actually get verifiable real-world results before condemning something before anyone owns it.

If it does overheat I will use it to cook bacon...But somehow I don't see the device running at 55c in hand...That is 130
Fahrenheit, which would burn your hands while holding it...


::I await youtube video of reporter using M9 to cook bacon and eggs::
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The metal chassis makes that possible :)

HTC is not refuting it gets hot. They are responding that the software is not finished. Seems logical the natural course is to throttle so the heat fits the device. Samsung basically implied that when going to their own chip. Going 100% vertical with supply for this only makes fiscal sense if Samsung had no other option. Better to use Qualcomms ROI curve and distribution to help share the burden than their own as far as a new chipset for mass scale and supply coverage.

All current info points to a chipset that needs to be throttled some to avoid excess heat- in a phone.
 
Economically what makes sense for Samsung surely depends on the demand for their chip fab's products. They've built the 14nm facilities, so if they have the capacity spare it must make sense to recoup by using it if it's not sufficiently booked with more profitable orders?
 
Normally, but Samsung normally leverages chip assistance to cover mass world releases. Samsung was working on a new fab plant for chips to increase capacity, but this places their eggs all in one strategic basket. Not even sure the new plant is mass producing or even finished.
 
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Well no longer news, but Tweakers now report that with the release software it no longer gets hot, and a number of reviews have said things along the lines of "it warms up a bit if you run benchmarks, same as any other phone, but not at all in normal use".

Sorry Sol, you'll just have to get the frying pan out when you want some bacon ;)
 
This rumor should be put out to pasture.

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Source: Android Authority | You may want to take that HTC One M9 overheating report with a grain of salt

Edit: It should be said that this is due to CPU throttling under sustained loads, which is nothing new in the Android world:
Friday’s software update introduced significant changes to the phone’s power and temperature management capabilities, which in turn has introduced a significant changes in the phone’s performance. HTC’s notes on the matter are very brief – updates to the camera, the UI, and thermal throttling – in practice it appears that HTC has greatly altered how the phone behaves under sustained loads. Our best guess at this point is that HTC appears to have reduced the maximum skin temperature allowed on the phone, which means that for short, bursty workloads that don’t approach the maximum skin temperature the changes are minimal, but for sustained loads performance has gone down due to the reduction in the amount of heat allowed to be generated.
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Source: AnandTech
 
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All devices like this get hot, including the iPhones. The issue here simply appears due to a device that needed to be throttled down some so the chip could behave in the form factor. Still think the 810 would be better for tablets as far as less throttle needs.
 
You understand that the throttle kicks in only after the case reaches high temperature and that takes a while?

Something a lot of people in the past would have wished they had, before getting burned or having the phone go into thermal shutdown from the battery's safety circuit (usually after damage is done).
 
Mine arrives tomorrow. I expect to post a video cooking bacon on it after running just 3 benchmarks in a row, running all cores in the SOC at 100%, (why can't fruit ninja do this?) while under a heat lamp, insuring that I am charging the device, while enjoying a nice 90 celsius sauna. Mmm....Bacon. Video coming soon..

:::End sarcasm:::

Can we wait for real world results before bringing up throttling...again?


...But seriously, if there is an overheating problem, there WILL be a bacon video.
 
EarlyMon said:
You understand that the throttle kicks in only after the case reaches high temperature and that takes a while?

Something a lot of people in the past would have wished they had, before getting burned or having the phone go into thermal shutdown from the battery's safety circuit (usually after damage is done).[/QUOT
SolApathy said:
Mine arrives tomorrow. I expect to post a video cooking bacon on it after running just 3 benchmarks in a row, running all cores in the SOC at 100%, (why can't fruit ninja do this?) while under a heat lamp, insuring that I am charging the device, while enjoying a nice 90 celsius sauna. Mmm....Bacon. Video coming soon..

:::End sarcasm:::

Can we wait for real world results before bringing up throttling...again?


...But seriously, if there is an overheating problem, there WILL be a bacon video.
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Make sure to also have the GPS on while downloading data and charging :) Oh, also in a warm to hot room. That will make it fry-worthy on the metal surface. Ditto for most other devices but most are plastic.

I am waiting for the first rooter that messes with the voltage step settings and then complains their device got fried.
 
rushmore said:
Make sure to also have the GPS on while downloading data and charging :) Oh, also in a warm to hot room. That will make it fry-worthy on the metal surface. Ditto for most other devices but most are plastic.

I am waiting for the first rooter that messes with the voltage step settings and then complains their device got fried.
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You forgot tethering.

Tethering with GPS on practically cooked one of my earlier phones. :D

Yeah, been warning about this for years, here's but one sample.
 
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