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New Republican health insurance..the CBO reports it is a YUGE FAIL

...Aside from it being a "Yuge" fail, the report is from one of the least reputable sources on the planet- Huffington Post.... We are only just starting the process; Obama Care took years to setup...This is not something that is going to be fixed in a month- Just saying...


As a business owner OCare was a huge fail for me..My rates went up, coverage went down, options vanished and I was left holding the bag... It's too bad the bag they left me with was full of broken promises!
 
so the CBO has no idea what they are doing?

even if it is only half right... that is still a bigly fail.
 
What, the Republicans want to take from the poor to give a huge benefit for the rich? I'm shocked, I tell ya. Of course the head idiot is already starting his nonsense about the CBO numbers being fake. These morons are so transparent, it's shocking that half of the country is stupid enough to fall for a pathological liar and con man.
 
Obamacare is far from perfect, but it succeeded in lowering the number of uninsured to record lows. Under this bill 24 million will lose coverage and costs will skyrocket for the elderly. And tax credits...does anybody really think that poor people can afford to buy health insurance out of their pocket, in hopes of getting a tax credit at the end of the year? That is lunacy. As far as rates going up, they were going up before Obamacare, during Obamacare, and will most definitely be going up after Obamacare when 24 million or more suddenly uninsured people are again getting primary health care from the emergency room with no way to ever pay the bill. So stop with that straw man argument. Yes, heath care costs need to be contained, but this bill does nothing to address that issue. Realistically there is nothing to defend here, anyone doing so must be a knee jerk reaction to defend the orange man.
 
Gmash said:
Obamacare is far from perfect, but it succeeded in lowering the number of uninsured to record lows. Under this bill 24 million will lose coverage and costs will skyrocket for the elderly. And tax credits...does anybody really think that poor people can afford to buy health insurance out of their pocket, in hopes of getting a tax credit at the end of the year? That is lunacy. As far as rates going up, they were going up before Obamacare, during Obamacare, and will most definitely be going up after Obamacare when 24 million or more suddenly uninsured people are again getting primary health care from the emergency room with no way to ever pay the bill. So stop with that straw man argument. Yes, heath care costs need to be contained, but this bill does nothing to address that issue. Realistically there is nothing to defend here, anyone doing so must be a knee jerk reaction to defend the orange man.
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No...Lunacy is me as a healthy, non-smoker with 2 kids and no weight issues going from $425 --->$950 with my deductible changing from $2,500 to $10k under Obamacare, while folks with no jobs are getting free healthcare and dental that is paid for with my taxes because they can't afford it? - I can't afford it lol... Far from perfect is a gross understatement; those without insurance can still walk into a hospital and get care. It's not like they are refused critical medical services. You talk about not affording bills- How many can pay $10k before they meet their 90%? It is not a straw man argument (please explain how it is) You are ripping a system that is not even in stage 1 yet...Yep there are going to be some uninsured folks... There always will be unless our tax rates get hiked way up- and I already pay my fair share and I pay my medical bills.


Until all stages of the plan are rolled out we can't know if it will be better or worse in the end. I'm at least willing to give it a chance; in the hope that my rates as a self-insured small business owner will return to pre-Obamacare insanity levels.
 
Obamacare covers more people because It's forced upon us by the government. And monthly premiums have skyrocketed, along with deductibles. So yeah, enjoy your status quo while shelling out your life savings, dude!
 
There is only one realistic way to bring down health care costs: Get the govt out of it as much as possible. Group ins plans are primarily to blame because the patient usually only has to worry about the co-pay. If he/she has skin in the game he/she would become concerned with the exhorbitant prices Drs & hospitals charge. Public outcry would result in lower prices.
 
give him/it time.. give him.it a chance...

why is that always the end argument of the 45 supporters?
and how far doe him/it need to go before .. the breaks are slammed down??

if you are looking into an investment .. and it looks shaky and sounds illogical..
i aint going to give it a chance to "maybe" do well!
duh!
 
Unintended consequences, someone has to pay, maybe cutting down on waste and/or Hospital/doctor's charges might help everyone.
 
Davdi said:
Unintended consequences, someone has to pay, maybe cutting down on waste and/or Hospital/doctor's charges might help everyone.
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sure.. someone should pay. Most everyone should pay.. that is called Taxes...
but reducing the tax on the rich... will only push the poor and low income farther down...

I do agree and believe ...
there is a lot of waste and bloat in the healthcare side...
that should be taken care of... but that is NOT the health Insurance major directive.
that should be taken care of by healthcare regulations...
reform the healthcare side... not insurance payment side.
 
He couldn't win: he was caught between ideologues for whom he hadn't gone far enough and realists who could see how many people would lose health care. He couldn't satisfy both, and if he were a quarter as smart as he thinks he is he wouldn't have tried - he'd either have left it alone, or he'd have made sure he had a bill that he could sell to a wider constituency before trying. It's not if it was something he actually believed in: in order to sell it he was defunding things that he was praising a few years ago (before he decided to run with the Republicans).

Mark it down to arrogance and hubris. No surprise that he blames others for his errors though.
 
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d the UK's NHS is incredibly wasteful. When My father-in-law died a couple of years ago, we has a garage nearly full of incontinence pads and briefs, also catheters and bags for his urine, and dressings for his skin lesions. Also half a pharmacy's worth of drugs (still in factory sealed packaging, including Tramadol and diamorphine. None of which could be taken back into stock. The local pharmacy took the (still factory sealed) drugs and put them straight into clinical waste. The incontinence stuff we donated to a local care home.

How much effort would it have taken to verify that none of these items had been te#ampered with, and accept them back into NHS stock.

Utter idiotic waste.
 
If you'll forgive a US only allusion; Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts.

The ACA was based on an amazingly successful health care initiative created in the capital of Massachusetts, my home town, Boston MA. Short of socializing medicine it was the best thing to happen to American healthcare since medicaid.

Trump should have looked at the source instead of the Washington version. Granted web access sucked but that's what the mail is for.
 
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