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No flash on Ice Cream Sandwich

Chi-TownTx

Chi-TownTx

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Love the RAZR but at the same time always been curious about the upcoming vanilla Nexus. As it stands it cannot support flash. One huge reason i will be avoiding this one.

Don't even care if i have to skip the ICS update on the RAZR. If flash doesn't work why should i bother. Thoughts?
 
By the time its released stateside I doubt this will be an issue, from what I read in the Nexus forum this is the case of Flash not supporting ICS yet(4.0, like Gingerbread devices can't see Honeycomb apps) NOT the Nexus not supporting Flash.
 
Doesn't sound like ics will ever get flash actually, from adobe anyway, as adobe is out of that game. Guess we'll lose it in a few months too.
 
I'm sure there will be way to get flash on ICS once Nexus is released. Adobe discontinued flash support on android already. So as more android phones are updated, coming with ICS, everyone will be on the same boat on flash. We are moving to HTML5 era.
 
What??? This big new and not good new I would think. So one of androids major advantages over ios - having flash - is gone? Is there some kind of replacement? What's the deal here?
 
This will suck big time if Moto can't figure out a way around this. No Flash is just bs.

I'm in no hurry for ICS and this just sealed the deal that they can keep it if it kills Flash support. Nexus/ICS is turning into a disaster......
 
Well, if that's the case, they can keep ICS. Face lock or Flash? Tough one. The more I look at ICS, the less I care about it. Nothing is really standing out to me that I need to have on my Razr. Removing select notifications = done. Panorama camera shot = done. New buttons = who gives a crap. In the end I can live without most if not all of it. I'll take Flash as the feature of choice first.
 
Flash 11.1 works amazingly well on the Flyer, Thrive, Droid 3, Razr and Rezound. Even the more demanding sites do a great job. I hope Adobe back steps a bit on their decisions. Sadly, if there is a Flash 12 for desktops, Flash 11 will get pushed out just like other main versions when superseded.
 
Changed the name of this thread from "No Flash on the Nexus" since that would be off-topic for this forum... and would likely result in the thread being closed.

If y'all want to talk about Flash and ICS here I've got no problem with that... but lets not focus on the GNex as I think the folks in that forum might perceive that as Razr owners dogging their gadget of choice. Thanks!
 
Ok my comment was deleted...so bagging on the RAZR in the Gnex area is ok but bagging on the Gnex is not ok. I get it.

I'm all for following rules but a double standard is deplorable. Not right Martimus. This is not right.

My comment that was deleted was tongue in cheek but this just ticks me off
 
cereal killer said:
Ok my comment was deleted...so bagging on the RAZR in the Gnex area is ok but bagging on the Gnex is not ok. I get it.

I'm all for following rules but a double standard is deplorable. Not right Martimus. This is not right.

My comment that was deleted was tongue in cheek but this just ticks me off
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The mods on this forum take a very dim view of people bagging on other phones. Unfortunately people anymore have short fuses... so even "tongue in cheek" posts can inadvertently have the wrong effect. If your post was tongue in cheek, I apologize!

If you see specific examples of people maliciously bagging on the Razr, hit the report button and let us know about it. In a thread like the "lounge" thread over there, they generate in excess of 25 pages of posts per day. It's really tough to keep up with a thread that grows that quickly... so the more members help us by reporting issues, the quicker we can take care of them. ;)
 
There has to be something behind why Adobe would drop flash support for Android. Anyone know the inside story? Just doesn't make a lick of sense, unless Adobe has been bought off by Apple or something. I mean, Android is the leader in mobile tech now, and it's just going to continue to grow. I guess Microsoft could have pulled some strings too hoping that they can have flash all to themselves for Win8 upcoming. I'm just throwing out ideas, but no flash is a serious bummer moving forward.
 
Teegunn said:
There has to be something behind why Adobe would drop flash support for Android. Anyone know the inside story? Just doesn't make a lick of sense, unless Adobe has been bought off by Apple or something. I mean, Android is the leader in mobile tech now, and it's just going to continue to grow. I guess Microsoft could have pulled some strings too hoping that they can have flash all to themselves for Win8 upcoming. I'm just throwing out ideas, but no flash is a serious bummer moving forward.
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Long story short.. Flash is a resource hog, buggy, and security hole-ridden platform - and has never worked really great on mobile. HTML5 seemingly handles mobile much better. Apple (Steve) bet on that - and HTML5 ultimately won out. Now Adobe has confirmed that they're going to invest their resources into pushing the HTML5 technology forward. And they'll focus on Flash outside of mobile.
 
memillh said:
Long story short.. Flash is a resource hog, buggy, and security hole-ridden platform - and has never worked really great on mobile. HTML5 seemingly handles mobile much better. Apple (Steve) bet on that - and HTML5 ultimately won out. Now Adobe has confirmed that they're going to invest their resources into pushing the HTML5 technology forward. And they'll focus on Flash outside of mobile.
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Slight correction: Adobe is moving forward and focusing on Adobe Air. Air provides developers run-time support of Flash, Java, and HTML5.

Adobe AIR | Adobe AIR 3 | Deploy applications
 
Martimus said:
Slight correction: Adobe is moving forward and focusing on Adobe Air. Air provides developers run-time support of Flash, Java, and HTML5.

Adobe AIR | Adobe AIR 3 | Deploy applications
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Not really a correction.. it's both. Adobe Air is only for apps - and it's how they'll specifically continue to support Flash. I was referring to HTML5 as it relates to users viewing the mobile web (video, animations and such) through mobile browsers - just as they previously did using mobile Flash. Adobe will be supporting those HTML5 web-browsing efforts too. Directly from their Adobe blog here..they're referencing both:

"However, HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively. This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and RIM, to drive HTML5 innovation they can use to advance their mobile browsers.

Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores. We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations (chipset, browser, OS version, etc.) following the upcoming release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook. We will of course continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates for existing device configurations. We will also allow our source code licensees to continue working on and release their own implementations.

These changes will allow us to increase investment in HTML5 and innovate with Flash where it can have most impact for the industry, including advanced gaming and premium video. Flash Player 11 for PC browsers just introduced dozens of new features, including hardware accelerated 3D graphics for console-quality gaming and premium HD video with content protection. Flash developers can take advantage of these features, and all that our Flash tooling has to offer, to reach more than a billion PCs through their browsers and to package native apps with AIR that run on hundreds of millions of mobile devices through all the popular app stores, including the iTunes App Store, Android Market, Amazon Appstore for Android and BlackBerry App World."
 
Well for me...No Flash is a BIG deal! I use it daily, and happen to like using it on my mobile devices....Razr uses it perfectly! I can't understand how nobody in Google or Android camp didn't see to it that Adobe wouldn't pull the trigger so quick. This is one of the major reasons I moved away from the iPhone some time ago towards Android.....The support of Flash!

So now were moving towards HTML5? OK when? How does that help me now?
Steve Jobs has been moving away from Flash for years....yea and? What is Android going to be the new Apple? Point is, I want Flash on my phone....so right this minute if the GNex doesn't have it....its out in my book...I won't even consider looking at it! And even further more....I will stay away from ICS as well if something is not done to make Flash run within the browser...Wow I have to say ....The more I hear about the GNex, along with ICS as a whole, the more I get turned off and think Gingerbread may be as good as it gets for me in this world of Android!

If that's the case....As a tech and phone whore, I will be paying very close attention to Windows Phone 8 down the road....taking things away doesn't sit well with me. Not to mention, with each OS by Android battery life was supposed to get better, dual cores and all....not the case as of late...
 
sean76 said:
Well for me...No Flash is a BIG deal! I use it daily, and happen to like using it on my mobile devices....Razr uses it perfectly! I can't understand how nobody in Google or Android camp didn't see to it that Adobe wouldn't pull the trigger so quick. This is one of the major reasons I moved away from the iPhone some time ago towards Android.....The support of Flash!

So now were moving towards HTML5? OK when? How does that help me now?
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Yup. Here's to hoping ICS does get one last revision of flash done for it. Well that and that it runs smoothly because after that there will be no more support for it.

Haven't rooted this phone yet as i like to wait a couple months for updates etc but i have no problems sticking with GB, rooting the phone and disabling the auto update from verizon via file manager and calling it a day lol. Like the RAZR enough as it stands to not really care about updates. Especially if they end up taking away more than they give.
 
I suspect some of y'all might be looking at this the wrong way. Adobe is not necessarily eliminating Flash altogether. What it sounds like they are doing is moving development from Adobe Flash to Adobe Air.

So what I'm thinking is that software developers will need to modify their code to call Adobe Air instead of Adobe Flash. Adobe seems to think that this would bring the developers more flexibility. Adobe Air would allow the developer to embed both Flash and HTML5 support into their apps. And since Adobe Air is a run-time app you could run your Flash/HTML5 content without needing to interface to a browser.
 
Martimus said:
I suspect some of y'all might be looking at this the wrong way. Adobe is not necessarily eliminating Flash altogether. What it sounds like they are doing is moving development from Adobe Flash to Adobe Air.

So what I'm thinking is that software developers will need to modify their code to call Adobe Air instead of Adobe Flash. Adobe seems to think that this would bring the developers more flexibility. Adobe Air would allow the developer to embed both Flash and HTML5 support into their apps. And since Adobe Air is a run-time app you could run your Flash/HTML5 content without needing to interface to a browser.
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True. But i guess my main thing at this time is that it's the future, not the now. Imo it is still going to take quite some time before everyone hops on board with this. Each developer etc will hit a point in time at their own choosing when they decide to upgrade and move over to the new tech. Until then it's still flash for now. I would even bet it will take a good 2 years before we see a major shift over that makes flash irrelevant at this point in the game.

I could be wrong and air/html5 could hot swap over within the next few months. Either way i am still happy to be currently using a device that can support both options. "The now" and the "future now" later on down the road.

P.S. As it stands ICS supports only the "future now" and not the "current now". Meanwhile GB supports both.
 
Martimus said:
I suspect some of y'all might be looking at this the wrong way. Adobe is not necessarily eliminating Flash altogether. What it sounds like they are doing is moving development from Adobe Flash to Adobe Air.

So what I'm thinking is that software developers will need to modify their code to call Adobe Air instead of Adobe Flash. Adobe seems to think that this would bring the developers more flexibility. Adobe Air would allow the developer to embed both Flash and HTML5 support into their apps. And since Adobe Air is a run-time app you could run your Flash/HTML5 content without needing to interface to a browser.
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My thoughts exactly but lets hope this is in fact going to happen. I'm in the camp with these other gents. Ill flash an alternate recovery and block the update. No flash support is just sheer stupidity.
 
memillh said:
Long story short.. Flash is a resource hog, buggy, and security hole-ridden platform - and has never worked really great on mobile. HTML5 seemingly handles mobile much better. Apple (Steve) bet on that - and HTML5 ultimately won out. Now Adobe has confirmed that they're going to invest their resources into pushing the HTML5 technology forward. And they'll focus on Flash outside of mobile.
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True for Flash 10, but respectfully disagree 100% with Flash 11. Acceleration with GB and HC works great on the dual core chips and even the recent single core chips. I have several phones and tablets with single core and both current dual core chips. All play Flash well, and are not the hogs they once were. Flash 10 used to run devices HOT, since the cpu was doing all the work and the resources were more desktop oriented (not so with Flash 11).

HTML5 is no better or worse than Flash 11, unless the IT folks that I know and work with have become clueless (they tell me this). Steve Jobs was worried about content control and not resource and security issues. Flash behaved like portable apps and you can even save them if protection not flagged (not easy at all with HTML5 content).

I mainly know this since my company is moving from BB to iPhone and iPads for operations. All of our content for training and consumer awareness is in Flash, so we are in the process of using both, and then HTML5 at some point (sooner than later). Well, also Java, but video and interactive content is Flash ATM.

Flash 11 rocks on mobile devices- if your SoC and OS version supports GPU assist.
 
Flash is coming to ICS:

Flash for Android not quite dead yet, will land on Ice Cream Sandwich by year's end -- Engadget


Those of you lucky enough to get your mitts on a Galaxy Nexus may have noticed something odd -- no flash in the champagne room Android Market. Turns out the latest edition of Adobe's multimedia plug-in isn't compatible with the newest version of Google's mobile OS. Don't panic just yet though, while the end is nigh for mobile Flash, it's still got one more release left in it and that will deliver ICS compatibility. Adobe told the folks over at Pocket-lint, "[it] will release one more version of the Flash Player for mobile browsing, which will provide support for Android 4.0." Or, if you're a glass half-empty type, ICS will be your last chance to browse the "full" web on Android. The final release of the mobile plug-in will also be accompanied by one last version of the Linux Porting Kit -- after that, you better hope HTML5 really hits its stride.
 
I still can't fathom having to use mobile browser sites on the newer phones 6 to 12 months from now. If that is the case, I'll be going to a Win8 phone possibly. This would be a HUGE downgrade if we can't view/use full browser capability on android phones or tabs. I can't even believe they are trying to sweep this under the rug honestly. Sadly, the average user probably doesn't even know about different browsers and/or mobile desktop modes so sweeping it under the rug is quite possible.
 
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