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TSA agent caught ripping people off

Tommy78 said:
They should rename the "TSA" to the "LCM" (Legal Child Molesters).
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Like this pat down of an 8 month old:

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Or this little video:

YouTube - ‪TSA "Pats Down" 3 Year Old‬‏

and of course the shirtless searching of an 8 year old:

YouTube - ‪Young Boy Strip Searched by TSA (New link to TSA lies interview)‬‏

I know the TSA needs to do their job, but some of what they do in the name of procedure sometimes seems to trample on some of our more dearly held rights. Oh well.
 
The thing is the public is buying the security theatre. That's what is sad about it. I was on another forume where we were discussing the implanted bomb warnings that came out recently. One of the members there said, "so would you rather be scanned in a machine naked or have a whole airplane blew up by terrorists". This seems to reflect the thinking of Americans everywhere. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
 
A.Nonymous said:
The thing is the public is buying the security theatre. That's what is sad about it. I was on another forume where we were discussing the implanted bomb warnings that came out recently. One of the members there said, "so would you rather be scanned in a machine naked or have a whole airplane blew up by terrorists". This seems to reflect the thinking of Americans everywhere. Our forefathers are rolling over in their graves.
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Our Founding Fathers and countless others fought and died to both protect and give us freedom. The Constitution and Bill of Rights did not come cheap.

It is so very sad that we do not seem to be smart enough to protect our people and protect us against terrorism. We should look at Israel and how they deal with their airports and passengers and a threat that is in many ways more serious than in this country.
 
Bob Maxey said:
It is so very sad that we do not seem to be smart enough to protect our people and protect us against terrorism. We should look at Israel and how they deal with their airports and passengers and a threat that is in many ways more serious than in this country.
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The only way to deal with the threat and protect your people is to fix your foreign policy. The same goes for us in the UK.

Focussing time and resources on airport security and domestic security in general is like trying to mop up the puddle when the pipe is still leaking.
 
Sak01 said:
The only way to deal with the threat and protect your people is to fix your foreign policy. The same goes for us in the UK.

Focussing time and resources on airport security and domestic security in general is like trying to mop up the puddle when the pipe is still leaking.
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Many of the things terrorists hate us for are a vital part of this country, so I am not sure a sweeping foreign policy change will satisfy them. They hate capitalism, our religious freedom, our success... many things that we will never change because they make us who we are.

We can do better at the airports. We just have to get it done and stop the abuse by the TSA. We have allowed the TSA to run amok and it must stop.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Many of the things terrorists hate us for are a vital part of this country, so I am not sure a sweeping foreign policy change will satisfy them. They hate capitalism, our religious freedom, our success...
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Those are lies and strawmen perpetuated by politicians to deflect attention away from foreign policy.

It's natural for the public to want to know why they are attacking us. So, the government issues a tidy, little slogan - 'They hate us for our freedoms' - that people can refer to whenever the 'Why' of it all starts bothering them.
 
Sak01 said:
Those are lies and strawmen perpetuated by politicians to deflect attention away from foreign policy.

It's natural for the public to want to know why they are attacking us. So, the government issues a tidy, little slogan - 'They hate us for our freedoms' - that people can refer to whenever the 'Why' of it all starts bothering them.
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I almost can't believe that anyone is that naive.
 
Bob Maxey said:
Many of the things terrorists hate us for are a vital part of this country,
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Like invasions of sovereign Middle East countries; support for despotic regimes (Saddam, Mubarak, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, etc., etc.); the overthrow of democratic governments (Iran 1953, Operation Ajax); one-sided support for Israel with arms, money and UN Security Council vetos; humanitarian failures (help our "allies" rebuild after the Soviet war in Afghanistan); and so on.
Bob Maxey said:
so I am not sure a sweeping foreign policy change will satisfy them. They hate capitalism, our religious freedom, our success... many things that we will never change because they make us who we are.
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Did you read that off McCarthy's flash cards?

Capitalism as a system of government (like in the US) is exceedingly destructive (as should be apparent to all by now, unless of course they are paid enough to ignore it). Micro-capitalism, the opportunity to work hard and earn a decent living, is admired world-wide. The Arab nations are not socialist states, they have HUGE poverty and nearly the entire wealth of these countries is held by a corrupt few (kind of sounds like the US ...).

As far as religious freedom goes, there are three main sects of Islam and dozens if not hundreds of sub-sects. Think of it like Christianity (Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Unitarians, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc., etc.). They don't hate our freedom of (Christian) religion and more than Christians have crusaded against Islam for a millennium.

As for hating our success - at what? Meddling in their internal affairs, supporting their despotic leaders, bribing those leaders so we can steal their natural resources?
 
noah way said:
Like invasions of sovereign Middle East countries; support for despotic regimes (Saddam, Mubarak, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, etc., etc.); the overthrow of democratic governments (Iran 1953, Operation Ajax); one-sided support for Israel with arms, money and UN Security Council vetos; humanitarian failures (help our "allies" rebuild after the Soviet war in Afghanistan); and so on.



Did you read that off McCarthy's flash cards?

Capitalism as a system of government (like in the US) is exceedingly destructive (as should be apparent to all by now, unless of course they are paid enough to ignore it). Micro-capitalism, the opportunity to work hard and earn a decent living, is admired world-wide. The Arab nations are not socialist states, they have HUGE poverty and nearly the entire wealth of these countries is held by a corrupt few (kind of sounds like the US ...).

As far as religious freedom goes, there are three main sects of Islam and dozens if not hundreds of sub-sects. Think of it like Christianity (Lutherans, Anglicans, Presbyterians, Unitarians, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc., etc.). They don't hate our freedom of (Christian) religion and more than Christians have crusaded against Islam for a millennium.

As for hating our success - at what? Meddling in their internal affairs, supporting their despotic leaders, bribing those leaders so we can steal their natural resources?
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Perhaps you need a library card?
 
Bob Maxey said:
I almost can't believe that anyone is that naive.
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lol it's anything but naivety. Unfortunately, given the huge lack of awareness amongst people when it comes to foreign policy, the truth of it can be quite unbearable. And I don't mean to sound patronising at all.

Since WWII, there have been over 30 US backed coups around the world. In many cases they replaced a democratically elected leader with a brutal dictator.

Start off with the 1953 coup in Iran, the tale of Anglo Iranian Oil, where the UK and US deposed the democratically elected Mossadegh and replaced him with the tyrant, Reza Shah. That'll give you the blueprint for intervention since then.

For the record, let me just say that US foreign policy is no worse than any of the other major players in the world in it's intentions. It has the largest reach and greatest impact which is why it gets the most attention.
 
What i don't understand is how it takes me 30mins to get throught security at the airport but it takes this guy 5 seconds to ransack a suitcase and get away scott-free(of course until someone saw him). Do the same cameras that watch me not watch him? I think he had someone on the inside covering.
 
Sak01 said:
lol it's anything but naivety.
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I'm astounded that most Americans don't know that before the US overthrew their government, Iran was the shining star of the Middle East, a democracy with an elected parliament and prime minister. But of course when they voted to nationalize oil, the US couldn't just stand by.

When you follow the chain you get the 1979 Iranian Revolution, where the US installed dictatorship was taken down in a populist uprising. This in turn led directly to a string of Ayatollahs, the Iran Hostage Crisis and the Iran-Iraq War, in which another US stooge (Saddam Hussein, remember him?) used chemical weapons supplied by the US on Iranians. And the chain goes on ...
 
No matter how I follow that chain, I can't find any relevance to TSA shenanigans.

Not every thread is an excuse to maintain an off-topic dialog.

If we're done here I'll be happy to lock this one.
 
I haven't put anything I consider valuable (besides clothes) in my suitcase for ages. My buddy got his Super Nintendo stolen, when it was THE gaming system when he flew out to see his cousins for the summer.

Now it's just books and clothes. Maybe the occasional car part, it it's small and light enough not to mail.
 
EarlyMon said:
No matter how I follow that chain, I can't find any relevance to TSA shenanigans.

Not every thread is an excuse to maintain an off-topic dialog.

If we're done here I'll be happy to lock this one.
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Take off your shoes. Empty your pockets. Now stand here and put your arms over your head while I scan this post ...
 
EarlyMon said:
No matter how I follow that chain, I can't find any relevance to TSA shenanigans.

Not every thread is an excuse to maintain an off-topic dialog.

If we're done here I'll be happy to lock this one.
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Sorry, that was mainly my fault.

As far as the topic goes, I think the problem stems from staff at airports being inadequately qualified to handle the responsibility of the new security measures.

That's probably down to the authorities trying to keep costs down. Security on the cheap.
 
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