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Yahoo article on Android Vs iPhone 4
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Tre Lawrence
Android Expert
Till June 2011, it seems.
Tre Lawrence
Android Expert
Yep, decent write-up. I like that they do seem to mention drawbacks in both platforms/devices.
Eazail70x7
Android Expert
Wait until the Galaxy S comes to the US, this phone is so desired (at least by those who know about it lol)
Samsung Galaxy S Promo Site Is Up, Could Be Headed to Verizon | Android Phone Fans
Samsung Galaxy S Promo Site Is Up, Could Be Headed to Verizon | Android Phone Fans
i VTAK
Android Expert
Sorry but after dealing with my wife's Moment, I don't desire any phone Samsung puts out.
Ditto with my old sync
Eazail70x7
Android Expert
I do admit I am enjoying my Moment despite the flaws. Yes, it has some annoyances but for me it hasn't been a big issue. But I am hoping for a nice upgrade come November
tazziedevil
Member
Probably until the iPhone 4.1 comes out.
Syv3n
Well-Known Member
Because more megapixels is always better right?
Better ditch my old Nikon D70 DSLR and get an EVO to take pictures with instead then eh? after all, it's only 6-magapixel.
Right because comparing a dedicated CAMERA to a CAMERA PHONE is the same as comparing CAMERA PHONE to CAMER PHONE...You are real smart I must say...
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
No, what he is saying is megapixels don't matter. Just go to any of the camera forums or talk to anyone knowledgeable about cameras.
It is all about the sensor size. The higher the megapixel in the same size sensor as a lower mp camera will yield more artifacts, noise, and lower ISO performance. More megapixel does not mean it is better.
I have about 6 cameras. My 14 megapixel point-n-shoot with a sensor the size of a match-stick will never compete with a 10megapixel camera with a SENSOR 1/2 the size of a postage stamp. Both will lose to a 8 megapixel camera a SENSOR w/ the size of a full 35mm frame.
I don't know the sensor size of either cell phone so it is hard for me to compare. But I've seen photos of the EVO and I've examine the photos from my Droid Incredible, the EXIF data is very inconclusive. You don't know shutter/f-stop because it is not recorded. I also notice severely blown highlights, over-saturation, an intense color-curve. If you put the files in Photoshop, you can examine the quality of the image by pixel-peeping.
Just by looking at the iPhone 4 sample in Photoshop (un-retouched), the EXIF data of the one of the black guy on the beach is very good for a cell phone. It shot the image at an ISO of 80.
F-stop @ 2.8 and a 1/887 exposure. Note the f-stop people.. Take Note the f-stop. The ticker doesn't lie. A Camera with a wider aperture will have better low-light performance. I am surprised at that.
With the bright sky and sand, the image tells me one thing for sure.... The camera engine/sofware has a sophisticated light meter for a cell phone. And this is something that can't be made up because you can reproduce it on a different camera w/ the same settings in the EXIF data.
Anthony1
Android Enthusiast
Thanks mrspeedmaster. I would have been a lot less civil in my response.
I was pretty impressed by Steve Jobs bit on the iPhone 4 camera. AFAIK he's the only person of any note to publicly decry the megapixel myth on phone cameras.
Not sure the f-stop is too significant. These tiny sensors in phone cameras (and many P&S Cameras) need all the light they can get, I don't know a whole lot about Camera phones but I should think that 2.8 is about standard. It's not that difficult with such a tiny focal length and a fixed lens.
I was pretty impressed by Steve Jobs bit on the iPhone 4 camera. AFAIK he's the only person of any note to publicly decry the megapixel myth on phone cameras.
Not sure the f-stop is too significant. These tiny sensors in phone cameras (and many P&S Cameras) need all the light they can get, I don't know a whole lot about Camera phones but I should think that 2.8 is about standard. It's not that difficult with such a tiny focal length and a fixed lens.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
Maybe for phone cameras but not cameras in general. Olympus, Panasonic is retreating from the mega-pixel wars. Even Canon stepped down on the G11 (super-point and shoot bridge camera) from the G10. G11 has a lot lower megapixel than the G10 and the justification is the low-light and image quality.
Anthony1
Android Enthusiast
Yeah, the DSLR crowd have known it from Day 1. The P&S crowd started realising later, and maybe phones are finally starting to realise now.
tazziedevil
Member
I'm a professional wedding photographer, and just like a few people have stated megapixels- at this stage in the evolution of digital cameras- really don't matter; unless you have a highly specialized need for a high megapixel count (advertising and product product photographers come to mind).
For the "average" consumer, just making a few prints and taking family pictures, even a 6 megapixel camera can easily get you 8x12" prints. Even bigger, if you have a little photoshop knowledge. I just printed a 40"x50" print from a 10 megapixel camera for a client that looks great.
Most mobile phone cameras look good in bright daylight, it's when the light drops that the physically small sensor begins to look cruddy. Even then, it all depends. My n95 looked decent, my blackberry camera looked awful all the time, and so far my desire looks great even in low light. I know there are a few 8 megapixel camera phones, but haven't seen or heard much about them- my guess is that by cramming more megapixels on such a small sensor it would make the image look grainy and noisy even in bright light.
Credit where credit is due: the iPhone has always had a good camera. No reason to think the iPhone 4 wont have a good looking camera as well.
For the "average" consumer, just making a few prints and taking family pictures, even a 6 megapixel camera can easily get you 8x12" prints. Even bigger, if you have a little photoshop knowledge. I just printed a 40"x50" print from a 10 megapixel camera for a client that looks great.
Most mobile phone cameras look good in bright daylight, it's when the light drops that the physically small sensor begins to look cruddy. Even then, it all depends. My n95 looked decent, my blackberry camera looked awful all the time, and so far my desire looks great even in low light. I know there are a few 8 megapixel camera phones, but haven't seen or heard much about them- my guess is that by cramming more megapixels on such a small sensor it would make the image look grainy and noisy even in bright light.
Credit where credit is due: the iPhone has always had a good camera. No reason to think the iPhone 4 wont have a good looking camera as well.
mrspeedmaster
Android Expert
High megapixels don't count in advertising either. We have a $40,000 Hasslebad medium format that takes about 2 minutes to take a photo (long exposure) that has less megapixel than a new Full Frame Canon SLR
Tre Lawrence
Android Expert
You're the first person I have heard say that. The one thing I have heard my iPhone-wielding friends complain about is the camera. In all fairness, I thought it blew my BB camera out the water.
I did think the camera was rated so-so... but it is one feature on the iPhones I never got to play with extensively
tazziedevil
Member
Ahh ok, that's interesting. I worked for a few months as a magazine photog's assistant about two years ago- he took photos of historic homes and things here in Tazzie. He used a medium format Hasselblad and from memory he said it was 40 megapixels or something. His editors insisted on having every megapixel they could for the magazine.
But even still, the point that a few of us made is that more megapixels does not always equal a better picture.
tazziedevil
Member
I had an iPhone for a few months until I couldn't handle it anymore, and the only thing about it i really liked was the camera. It's no SLR, but for a phone camera you always have in your pocket i thought it was pretty good. I personally haven't seen a camera phone that does much better. It is a MASSIVE step up from a blackberry camera, that's true.