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Giving Arizona What It Is Asking For...

hakr100 said:
Wowser! So by your reasoning, we should ban imports and, of course, wars, because both involve sending money out of the country and a lot of that money never comes back. And, of course, we should not permit Americans to be tourists in foreign countries, because they carry money out of the country and a lot of that money never comes back.
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Its no surprise I have to spell this out to you so an ape can understand it, but here I go anyways.

Illegal immigrant jose illegal hops the border and steals a job from an american citizen who pays taxes, and tries to live the right way.

Jose illegal makes x amount of money, and uses it to smuggle his family/friends into the country.

Jose illegal does this time and time again, as do the people he already brought into the country.

So now we have jose illegal and his whole family bringing more illegals in, which in turn do the same thing. Meanwhile all of them are stealing american jobs, from american citizens, and not paying taxes.

All tax money that could be used for better roads, better schools, better school ciriculum, more jobs working for the government, more money for our nations defense, more money to assist needy children in OUR country.

All these illegal immigrants do is steal from YOU, yes YOU, me and the chilren. The whole damn country. And they can rape and sell drugs, what's their punishment? Instead of being put to death or jailed, they get deported to a country that doesn't really care, so they are pretty much scott free. And to make it worse, they can be back in the country a month later with freedom in tow, despite them selling drugs to our people, raping, and murdering our people.


There isn't one good thing that comes from illegals being in our country, only bad. And very bad. To not support getting rid of them, basically means your wishing harm on our country.

Oh and btw, despite all the bans on arizona and boycott bullshit, az is doing better economically than it was before any law. I really don't care if jajafuku from pakistans 7-11(which he probably doesn't pay taxes on due to a seriously dumb loophole in our income tax system) closes either.

Screw haiti, screw helping other nations. We need to take care of our own first and get back on our feet. How can something that's on its ass help something that's also on its ass?
 
Oh and btw, despite all the bans on arizona and boycott bullshit, az is doing better ... quote


Yeah, I don't see why people from other state who don't have a voice In AZ decide they are going to go over there and protest and boycott. I mean does it affect them. No! To be honest this law should be up to the Gov of AZ and the people of AZ. If It ain't your business, then bug off. I hear NC is adopting a law like that, I'm happy they get the point. :)
 
lol was just reading earlier today about the huge influx of illegals into other states now that they are leaving AZ....... Im sure it wont be long before states that border AZ will be taking similar measures...... that is with the exception of the fruits in CA who coddle illegals
 
IOWA said:
...All these illegal immigrants do is steal... ...And they can rape and sell drugs... ...Instead of being put to death or jailed, they get deported to a country... ...despite them selling drugs to our people, raping, and murdering our people... ...I really don't care... ...Screw haiti...

...screw helping...
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Wow that's quite a hate filled bigoted rant, lets ignore the factual inaccuracies for the moment, and just point out that you're attacking a poster for not caring about your country based on his reasoned questioning of your previous post. Yet you seem to be attacking him based on things I don't see that he actual said.

While you obviously feel strongly about your views, it's not really fair to attack people over things they haven't said.
 
mpw said:
Wow that's quite a hate filled bigoted rant, lets ignore the factual inaccuracies for the moment, and just point out that you're attacking a poster for not caring about your country based on his reasoned questioning of your previous post. Yet you seem to be attacking him based on things I don't see that he actual said.

While you obviously feel strongly about your views, it's not really fair to attack people over things they haven't said.
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Its not a "hate filled bigoted rant" its the factual truth. People who don't want the best for a country can't possibly love it. Getting rid of the illegals would only be a good thing for the country, so.....
 
hmmm I just did a very quick 10 second search and this was the most obvious case that appeared....... Jose Lopez Madrigal

hes been deported 9 times .... several of which were as a result of violent crimes in which he did no jail time..... arrested for theft with a firearm..... deported......... arrested for distribution of drugs several different times......deported each time......... arrested for sexual assault..... deported.......... no jail time yet....... remains to be seen if he will face jailtime for his current charges of rape......... my guess: deportation
 
mpw said:
You say illegal immigrants can rape and not face jail time, could you confirm this fact with evidence please.
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They would just get deported to mexico where they don't really give a shit. With enough money (which isn't much by our standards) you just pay off the cops and your good to go.
 
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Originally Posted by hakr100
Wowser! So by your reasoning, we should ban imports and, of course, wars, because both involve sending money out of the country and a lot of that money never comes back. And, of course, we should not permit Americans to be tourists in foreign countries, because they carry money out of the country and a lot of that money never comes back.



IOWA said:
Its no surprise I have to spell this out to you so an ape can understand it, but here I go anyways.
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You're quite the piece of work, fella, and you've offered up yet another personal insult.

So, I'll respond by giving your response the consideration it deserves...none at all.

As always, have a nice day.
 
hakr100 said:
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Originally Posted by hakr100
Wowser! So by your reasoning, we should ban imports and, of course, wars, because both involve sending money out of the country and a lot of that money never comes back. And, of course, we should not permit Americans to be tourists in foreign countries, because they carry money out of the country and a lot of that money never comes back.






You're quite the piece of work, fella, and you've offered up yet another personal insult.

So, I'll respond by giving your response the consideration it deserves...none at all.

As always, have a nice day.
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That's ok, I accept your concession.
 
hakr100 said:
Unlike some, I'm not here to trade personal insults. When you engage in personal insults, you've lost.
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It's not an insult if it's stating the obvious. So much for a lack of response.

It's ok, I still accept your concession.
 
its my belief this country has enough of its own criminals we shouldnt have to be dealing with anyone elses. everyone crossing over illegaly is violating federal law...
 
IOWA said:
Apparently you missed post #32
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I asked for evidence, post 32 didn't have a link to the article butchered therein, and did not specifically answer the question I asked you.

Having read an article with regard to the person mentioned I note that there is no evidence of any conviction other than that of theft in 1989; lots of arrests, but no other convictions mentioned.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm skeptical of sensationalist media reports repeated practically verbatim across several sites, but it strikes me that they're just using one example for gross generalisation; much like the gross unsubstantiated sensationalism and generalisation in your own post earlier.
 
mpw said:
I asked for evidence, post 32 didn't have a link to the article butchered therein, and did not specifically answer the question I asked you.

Having read an article with regard to the person mentioned I note that there is no evidence of any conviction other than that of theft in 1989; lots of arrests, but no other convictions mentioned.

You'll have to excuse me if I'm skeptical of sensationalist media reports repeated practically verbatim across several sites, but it strikes me that they're just using one example for gross generalisation; much like the gross unsubstantiated sensationalism and generalisation in your own post earlier.
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Still doesn't change the fact that even after being convicted, some illegals are just simply deported with little or even no prison time, thus costing us more money.

So the fact remains, they can indeed get away with these things, and if they do spend time in our prisions, we are footing an even lrger bill for an illegal immigrant anyways. It's a lose/lose situation.
 
IOWA said:
Still doesn't change the fact... ...So the fact remains...
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Sorry IOWA, which fact remains, the sweeping sensationalist generalisation 'fact' from your earlier post, or the 'fact' in this post that's all 'some' and 'can' and far less definite?

Maybe in a few posts you'll accept that only a few illegal immigrants are anywhere near as violent and inherently criminal (other than their immigration status) as you like to make out.
 
I personally dont think that all illegals are violent criminals......... I certainly dont think its very few either.......... I do think however that 100% are criminals, they break the law the minute they step across the border.......every single one of them needs to be deported (dont give me crap about the $$ involved.... we spend more $$ on coddling them).......... then there needs to be some serious legal actions taken......

any person who hires an illegal should be sent to prison .......any person who assists an illegal in any way (sanctuary cities etc) should be sent to prison........ any person who knows of an illegal and doesnt report them should be sent to prison (aiding a known felon is a crime)...... any person in any way associated with illegals being in this country should be sent to prison............ put national guard on the border..... with orders to protect our nation from foreign INVADERS at any cost

the problem isnt solely with the illegals........ its also with the american coddlers
 
mpw said:
Sorry IOWA, which fact remains, the sweeping sensationalist generalisation 'fact' from your earlier post, or the 'fact' in this post that's all 'some' and 'can' and far less definite?

Maybe in a few posts you'll accept that only a few illegal immigrants are anywhere near as violent and inherently criminal (other than their immigration status) as you like to make out.
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There you go putting words in my mouth again. Where did I say they were all violent?

They are stealing from us just by working our jobs. Which is a bad thing for all citizens.
 
mpw said:
You talk in sweeping generalisations, and state that they steal, defraud, partake in drug crime, rape and murder.
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Welll, Iowa did state:

"They are stealing from us just by working our jobs."

I wonder if the "illegal" working Iowa's job does a better job of it than he does. ;)
 
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