With Android on the rise, do you think that Apple's iOS is dying?

[Member203005]

Ok, so I did a little more reading and have determined that their might be something to the conductive argument. You're right, I'm wrong. You're smart, I'm dumb. You're really really good looking, I'm not.

But I do take issue with this statement...

The change in antenna design which even you admit effects all iPhone 4's was done specifically to address the iPhone's single most troubling complaint ... that of dropped calls. Apple's own study claims that the new phone drops only one fewer call per 100 than the previous models. Statistically speaking, that means that IF people with good signal strength are seeing improved reception with the iPhone 4, then people with marginal signal strength must necessarily see worse reception and more frequent dropped calls.

That's not necessarily true. All we know for sure, is that statistically speaking the iPhone 4, whether shrouded in a case or not, gets better reception and according to several sources (including telecom providers in other countries) gets better reception over all than its counterparts.

 

[lunatic59]

Ok, so I did a little more reading and have determined that their might be something to the conductive argument. You're right, I'm wrong. You're smart, I'm dumb. You're really really good looking, I'm not.

But I do take issue with this statement...



That's not necessarily true. All we know for sure, is that statistically speaking the iPhone 4, whether shrouded in a case or not, gets better reception and according to several sources (including telecom providers in other countries) gets better reception over all than its counterparts.

Take two, they're small. Actually take all the issues you want ... I don't disagree with the fact that the dipole antenna in the iPhone 4 gets better reception than it's predecessors. The problem lies in the performance. Take this into consideration:

"Darren Murph over at Engadget.com is reporting in an article that Steve Jobs mentioned some information concerning dropped calls at the press conference earlier today. He said to the press 'iPhone 4 drops less than one additional call per 100 than the 3GS.'
This actually means the new device is losing more calls than the model it replaced, the iPhone 3GS in the three weeks since it was launched."


So, even if the reception is better the performance improvement is negligible. At least for making phone calls.

 

[Alieno]

The iphone 4 does indeed have the best battery - except talk time. The Droid X, even the first Droid, beats the iphone 4:

Then we can agree that the iphone 4 has bettrr battery life in terms of web browsing and such, whereas the droid phones have better battery life for talking.

It comes down to personal preference then, I use my iphone 4 mostly for Web browsing and such, and spend very little time actually talking on it, thus i would prefer the battery to last longer in the areas i mostly use it for.

 

[Rhonen]

Then we can agree that the iphone 4 has bettrr battery life in terms of web browsing and such, whereas the droid phones have better battery life for talking.

It comes down to personal preference then, I use my iphone 4 mostly for Web browsing and such, and spend very little time actually talking on it, thus i would prefer the battery to last longer in the areas i mostly use it for.

I would go one further and say, for the average user that uses their phone for a variety of reasons, the iphone would indeed last them longer on a single charge.

That is one of the preferences I didn't have, when choosing a phone. I just wanted one that would last me all day as opposed to one that lasted the longest.

 

[mpg187]

iOS is like the hot girlfriend. She only wants to do certain things and she only wants to do them her way. She can be difficult to deal with because she never wants to do anything your way. She may be a little psycho, but you don't want to break up with her because she's so freaking hot.

If iOS is like a good looking ho that's a real bi*ch, then I would prefer the even better looking one with a good personality, that's Android...

You only see what you want to see. I see both all the time. iPhone is the phone of choice for the Hollywood celebrity set. There's a reason for that. It wouldn't be so popular if you took the same specs and OS and put it in the body of a Droid.

I don't think celebrities would know enough to make informed decisions, I wouldn't get a certain phone just because a celebrity does. The celebs probably just get one because they think it will make them cool or something...

 

[IOWA]

The same one you tried to link to with your broken link, the one you claimed (wrongly) was broken because the post was deleted, the one that there's a link to in my earlier post.

This one.

That's funny, because that's not my account. Mine would be (big shocker here) I0WA

 

[IOWA]

No, they said nothing. When the problem was first made public, Apple's official position was "we have no official position." It wasn't until it was shown repeatedly to be a design defect that they even acknowledged there was something amiss. Even then they dismissed it until the media held their feet to the fire.



Not the same issue ... and it took outside sources to tell them what the problem was.



Damage control, pure and simple.



Wrong wrong WRONG. It must be repeated because Apple is trying to convince people otherwise. The issue "all cell phone manufacturers" have is one of signal attenuation due to obstacles between the antenna and the signal source. This has always been part of antenna design since the first days of radio ... after all, a smartphone is nothing more than a radio attached to a little computer. The iPhone 4's problem is that the exposed slot (aka. dipole) antenna is shorted out by galvanic skin conductivity. This is in addition to signal attenuation due to obstacles. The reason the bumper works is because it effectively insulates the poles, preventing the hand from bridging them. It does nothing for signal attenuation. The reason why it is not common to other cell phone manufacturers is that they do not use dipole antennas and they do not expose the elements to shorting.

Now the argument is made that there are many people who don't experience any signal problems which is understandable. If the area where they use their phone has consistently strong signals, then even a shorted antenna will continue to receive. It is also possible that that person's particular skin chemistry is not particularly conductive. Cool dry skin is much less like to conduct small voltages. Any kid who has played around with an ohmmeter could tell you that. If you continue to doubt, please read the results of the MIT study referenced earlier in this thread and understand that the decibel scale is logarithmic, not linear. (if you don't know what that means, then you have even more homework.)



Please read, research and study the above statement and then go ask Apple why they continue to deflect obfuscate and backpedal.



The change in antenna design which even you admit effects all iPhone 4's was done specifically to address the iPhone's single most troubling complaint ... that of dropped calls. Apple's own study claims that the new phone drops only one fewer call per 100 than the previous models. Statistically speaking, that means that IF people with good signal strength are seeing improved reception with the iPhone 4, then people with marginal signal strength must necessarily see worse reception and more frequent dropped calls.

Class dismissed (there may be a quiz tomorrow)

Or maybe Apple lied like they always do. Just like they said they wouldnt need a ton of Apps and a year later thats one of their main focus's.

 

[mpg187]

works out of the box, and does everything you need it to when you need it (the most practical day to day stuff) iPhones just take the cake so they aren't crap and they aren't going away anytime soon.

Android does everything needed out of the box, with an iPhone you have to worry about jailbreaking...

 

[lunatic59]

Or maybe Apple lied like they always do. Just like they said they wouldnt need a ton of Apps and a year later thats one of their main focus's.

Apple doesn't lie. They rewrite history. the 1984 Superbowl commercial wasn't prophecy ... it was a business plan.

 

[IOWA]

Apple doesn't lie. They rewrite history. the 1984 Superbowl commercial wasn't prophecy ... it was a business plan.

Lol

 

[killadanny]

iOS dying? It's been dead, and it's starting to smell a little. No seriously, I kid. It's all a matter of opinion, so I think Android is better.

 

[jonmorris]

iOS has influenced just about every rival to Apple in their design and made everyone concentrate on decent UIs (right down to nice animated transitions and all that non-essential, but at the same time TOTALLY-essential, stuff) and good design. A good UI/UX is what makes a 'smartphone' accepted by the masses, and why you'll see your mum or grandmother getting one - when they'd never have bought that complicated thing you showed them years ago (Symbian or Windows Mobile most probably).

iOS has flaws, but also many strengths in its simplicity - which is what we all hate (and more and more people begin to hate as they want to do more). You can be sure that if Apple does begin to lose loads of custom to people going Android because it's more free and open, Apple will hold a press event to state that iOS is going totally open, Flash is now welcome and so on - and be 100% assured, LOADS of people who left to go for Android will come back to Apple.

There's a power that Apple has and nobody else will ever have.

 

[tdtran]

I am switching from iphone 4 iOS4 to HTC EVO Android 2.2. Very happy with the switch both handset and OS. Love it.

 

[Niir]

A friend of mine who had a 3gs and HATED listening to my gaming groups android chats (we have a hero, g1, hero, desire, galaxy s respectively) and always could never ''get'' why we loved android so much and would take it over iOS at every opportunity.

He now owns a Galaxy s, and the FIRST thing he started enthusing about was CUSTOMIZATION, he loves the widgets and the flexibility over the 3GS.

Apple have dropped the ball by staying to simple and linear.

If Apple dont do a significant refresh of iOS it will suffer significantly in the next year.

 

[stonethrower]

I see that the iphone lasts longer when browsing is this because they have disabled flash

 

[ari-free]

Then we can agree that the iphone 4 has bettrr battery life in terms of web browsing and such, whereas the droid phones have better battery life for talking.

It comes down to personal preference then, I use my iphone 4 mostly for Web browsing and such, and spend very little time actually talking on it, thus i would prefer the battery to last longer in the areas i mostly use it for.

Just one problem: no replaceable battery on the iPhone.

 

[ari-free]

Oh oh let me try:

It almost seems as though droid manufacturers are incapable of making a phone with those features that Iphone has (better battery life, higher resolution screen ect).

LG makes the screen for iPhone, not Apple. And if LG is working on their own 'galaxy s' they could pull a Samsung and say "Sorry Apple but there is a shortage of retinal screens...maybe you can get a screen from Sony like HTC did."

 

[ari-free]

The iPhone 4 isn't the only current smartphone on the market that has a 3.5 inch screen... some Android phones still have that size

yes, the low end phones. You can't charge more money for a low end phone.

and yes there are some exceptions but if you are insinuating that because there are some exceptions now that anything below that, the carriers wont' want to deal with I don't see that happening ANY time soon. Also with that logic that means all phones that don't meet a certain screen size requirements will get the X by carriers not just the iPhone... It seems you're trying to make your logic apply only to the iPhone instead of consistently across all platforms. And it doesn't work that way. Also with your same logic about Android phones being cheaper so the companies won't have to pay the higher subsidy as a reason for the iPhone dying soon then the N1 would have never been made and the N2 will not come out.... You can't make your logic apply to just iPhone JUST because it's made by Apple... That's that basis of pure bias. If you're saying that iPhone will die because the phones are expensive for carriers then ALL phones that cost $499+ whether they be Apple or not would cease to become the norm and would be axed... If you're saying that iPhone would die because it doesn't have a 4.3 inch screen that would mean that ALL phones that didn't meet this carrier requirement would be axed.

So you're logic doesn't denote that iPhone will die but only that $499+ phones will die and 3.5 inch screen phones will die across the board. In which case don't you think Apple would change their phone to meet market norms? You honestly think they would stop making phones if carriers said we now require larger screens?

I jus think your logic is flawed here... I think it's wishful thinking because you just don't like iPhones. But that's just me... doesn't matter. Cheers mate.

What are you bringing the N1 for? It didn't have a subsidy so there was no cost to AT&T. But AT&T must pay a higher than average subsidy for each iPhone. They also don't get revenue sharing. They have very little chance to test the phone. And then they get blamed for all of iPhone's problems. If they can convince their customers to switch to an Android phone, they win.

 

[mpw]

That's funny, because that's not my account. Mine would be (big shocker here) I0WA

Okay IOWA, I apologise if I've made an incorrect assumption, but take a look at this timeline and you can see why I thought it was your account surely:

21:47  IOWA suggested on androidforums (af) that somebody should ask a question on a Mac site; betting that the replies to that question would prove his theory that Mac users were generally computer illiterate by choosing OSX over Win7 for security.
21:56  afiowa registered on macrumors (mr) and his 1st post is exactly verbatim the question af's IOWA had suggested should be asked.
22:01  A reply is posted on mr
22:06  Another reply on mr, neither meet the stereotype that af's IOWA had theorised.
22:10  I agreed on af with IOWA that the question should be asked.
22:16  IOWA tried to post a link to the thread afiowa had started, but the link was broken.
22:20  I noted to you that the link was broken.
22:21  Further replies on mr that didn't support IOWA's argument.
22:27  afiowa (not to be confused with af's IOWA of course) makes a 2nd post trying to illicit further responses from the mr members.
22:46  Yet another reply giving the 'wrong' answer to IOWA's theory is posted
22:49  afiowa whines on mr that they've not been welcoming enough, and that's why Mac users are hated by everyone on pc forums! Almost like he asked a question wanting a specific answer to prove some point, and got pissed of when it wasn't the 'right' answer.
on mr.
22:52  And another 'wrong' answer!
22:52  afiowa's clearly had enough of all these computer literate mac users not supporting either OS as better than another, so he edits his post and requests it to be deleted (odd behaviour?)
23:03  IOWA suggests that the reason his link is broken is because of afiowa's edit
23:10  Further literate and helpful response from those hated Mac users.
23:40  I query whether the mr thread is IOWA's, and ask regardless what he thinks of the results, that clearly makes the theory earlier bet on completely wrong.
23:41  More help and literacy from mr
23:47  IOWA deletes his link on af to the post afiowa just edited on mr.
00:12  IOWA can't think what thread I', asking him about despite editing his link to it only mins. earlier.  By 'not knowing' what thread I'm talking about, IOWA avoids answering the difficult question about his theory being absolute crap.
10:22  I again link to the mr thread started by afiowa.
02:43  IOWA denies the mr account is his (but I'm sure you can see why I thought it might be), and continues to side step answering the question about his disproved theory.

So that's my 'confusion' explained; still waiting for further comment on your theory about illiterate Mac users IOWA; and I know you can't have changed your mind, because you've kept up your closed-minded attacks in this thread.

 

[Niir]

iOS is not dying, it is stagnating.

 

[IOWA]

Okay IOWA, I apologise if I've made an incorrect assumption, but take a look at this timeline and you can see why I thought it was your account surely:

21:47  IOWA suggested on androidforums (af) that somebody should ask a question on a Mac site; betting that the replies to that question would prove his theory that Mac users were generally computer illiterate by choosing OSX over Win7 for security.
21:56  afiowa registered on macrumors (mr) and his 1st post is exactly verbatim the question af's IOWA had suggested should be asked.
22:01  A reply is posted on mr
22:06  Another reply on mr, neither meet the stereotype that af's IOWA had theorised.
22:10  I agreed on af with IOWA that the question should be asked.
22:16  IOWA tried to post a link to the thread afiowa had started, but the link was broken.
22:20  I noted to you that the link was broken.
22:21  Further replies on mr that didn't support IOWA's argument.
22:27  afiowa (not to be confused with af's IOWA of course) makes a 2nd post trying to illicit further responses from the mr members.
22:46  Yet another reply giving the 'wrong' answer to IOWA's theory is posted
22:49  afiowa whines on mr that they've not been welcoming enough, and that's why Mac users are hated by everyone on pc forums! Almost like he asked a question wanting a specific answer to prove some point, and got pissed of when it wasn't the 'right' answer.
on mr.
22:52  And another 'wrong' answer!
22:52  afiowa's clearly had enough of all these computer literate mac users not supporting either OS as better than another, so he edits his post and requests it to be deleted (odd behaviour?)
23:03  IOWA suggests that the reason his link is broken is because of afiowa's edit
23:10  Further literate and helpful response from those hated Mac users.
23:40  I query whether the mr thread is IOWA's, and ask regardless what he thinks of the results, that clearly makes the theory earlier bet on completely wrong.
23:41  More help and literacy from mr
23:47  IOWA deletes his link on af to the post afiowa just edited on mr.
00:12  IOWA can't think what thread I', asking him about despite editing his link to it only mins. earlier.  By 'not knowing' what thread I'm talking about, IOWA avoids answering the difficult question about his theory being absolute crap.
10:22  I again link to the mr thread started by afiowa.
02:43  IOWA denies the mr account is his (but I'm sure you can see why I thought it might be), and continues to side step answering the question about his disproved theory.

So that's my 'confusion' explained; still waiting for further comment on your theory about illiterate Mac users IOWA; and I know you can't have changed your mind, because you've kept up your closed-minded attacks in this thread.

I agree. And I would have jumped to the same conclusion, so I'm not finding fault with what you thought. Anyways, do you have any idea how we can find an ideal control group for our little experiment? As someone pointed out, interenet forum wouldn't be the best place as most of us are well, nerds, in one way or another. Especially people who would contribute to a thread like that/this.

 

[Intervenient]

I agree. And I would have jumped to the same conclusion, so I'm not finding fault with what you thought. Anyways, do you have any idea how we can find an ideal control group for our little experiment? As someone pointed out, interenet forum wouldn't be the best place as most of us are well, nerds, in one way or another. Especially people who would contribute to a thread like that/this.

Why does it matter to you so much? Why do you care about how other people spend their money? Do you have any idea how pathetic all your posts read?

 

[IOWA]

Why does it matter to you so much? Why do you care about how other people spend their money? Do you have any idea how pathetic all your posts read?

Wow way to push nearly 5k posts into one category. That just spells out resentment. That must be from the few debates we had where I made a fool of you, then you proceeded to try and change the subject and call me an "internet bad ass".

Not to mention the countless number of my posts that genuienly help people out of the kindness of my heart, which I haven't seen you or other apple trolls on here do once.

But yeah, my posts (with all that nasty stuff called science and facts) are really the pathetic ones here.

 

[Intervenient]

Wow way to push nearly 5k posts into one category. That just spells out resentment. That must be from the few debates we had where I made a fool of you, then you proceeded to try and change the subject and call me an "internet bad ass".

Not to mention the countless number of my posts that genuienly help people out of the kindness of my heart, which I haven't seen you or other apple trolls on here do once.

But yeah, my posts (with all that nasty stuff called science and facts) are really the pathetic ones here.

Not even close made me look like a fool. You're the master of the side-step.

Way to lump all my posts into one category as well. The vast majority of my posts have been helpful to the people at the Captivate boards.

And you did not answer my question (although I didn't expect you to). What are you trying to prove with your "little experiment" and why does it matter to you?

 

[IOWA]

Not even close made me look like a fool. You're the master of the side-step.

Way to lump all my posts into one category as well. The vast majority of my posts have been helpful to the people at the Captivate boards.

And you did not answer my question (although I didn't expect you to). What are you trying to prove with your "little experiment" and why does it matter to you?

Your right, you made yourself look like the fool