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Nexus One has a much more powerful processor than Nexus S - another reason not to upgrade...

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cstavaru

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I came across this nice bit of information comparing the Nexus One with the Galaxy S, both running Android 2.2 Froyo:

Hummingbird vs Snapdragon: Rumble in the processor jungle | Crave | CNET UK

Linpack test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 14
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 30

Benchmark by Softweg CPU test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 1,700
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 2,200

Benchmark by Softweg 2D graphics test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 31
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 28

Neocore 3D graphics test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 55.7
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 28.4

So basically if you don't play 3D games, the Nexus S is faster. And the Snapdragon is MUCH faster than Hummingbird...
 
I don't really buy this, I have played with a Fasinate and Vibrant (both running hummingbirds) and they both seem to run faster and smoother then my N1. Also doesn't the Galaxy S phones have a better GPU then the N1?
 
I think these results have more to do with the version of Android 2.1 vs. Nexus with 2.2. In reality the Hummingbird is a much newer and faster processor and we will begin to see that more with 2.2 or 2.3 updates.
 
Jeremy81 said:
I think these results have more to do with the version of Android 2.1 vs. Nexus with 2.2. In reality the Hummingbird is a much newer and faster processor and we will begin to see that more with 2.2 or 2.3 updates.
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from the article:

"We re-ran the benchmarks after the Android 2.2 update with a Samsung Galaxy S, a Hummingbird phone, versus a Google Nexus One, with a Snapdragon. Both have 512MB of RAM. These numbers are averaged after several runs, and in each case, bigger is better."


But I'm not buying the results either. I'd have to see the modality of the tests to determine if they are, in fact fair benchmarks.
 
lunatic59 said:
from the article:

"We re-ran the benchmarks after the Android 2.2 update with a Samsung Galaxy S, a Hummingbird phone, versus a Google Nexus One, with a Snapdragon. Both have 512MB of RAM. These numbers are averaged after several runs, and in each case, bigger is better."


But I'm not buying the results either. I'd have to see the modality of the tests to determine if they are, in fact fair benchmarks.
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It's very easy to check. I just installed linkpack on my Nexus One with Froyo and got a 30.6 score. Anyone has a Galaxy S ? :)
 
The article is true, the Scorpion CPU is better than the Hummingbird CPU. It's more optimized and benefits more from the Dalvik JIT compiler. The Hummingbird GPU is more powerful but now with Adreno 205 in the new snapdragon chipset, it's just as good if not better than the PowerVR SGX540 in the Hummingbird.
 
false statement. period.. Im tired of everyone trying to justify not upgrading. you choose not to then dont. Yes the nest installment from google is not what we expected. But any true android enthusiast knows its better than the current nexus, especially processor wise.. Its not a coincidence that engadget along with many other that have given it a test run. Call it the best android phone as of right now
 
BiGMERF said:
false statement. period.. Im tired of everyone trying to justify not upgrading. you choose not to then dont. Yes the nest installment from google is not what we expected. But any true android enthusiast knows its better than the current nexus, especially processor wise.. Its not a coincidence that engadget along with many other that have given it a test run. Call it the best android phone as of right now
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Oh, well, with all that great info you provided I'm now convinced it's a false statement....:rolleyes:


already a fanboy and you haven't even touched an NS yet...

Well that's cool, but please allow the rest of us to rely on technical data before we crown anything the "best"....and by quoting Engadget you really don't help your argument, btw

some of us aren't trying to justify anything and have money to burn on mobile devices if we want...some of us don't want to trade beautiful build quality for cheap crap
 
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@bigmerf go get ya nexus s bro! Let the haters hate. I'll be right there with you.
 
BiGMERF said:
false statement. period.. Im tired of everyone trying to justify not upgrading. you choose not to then dont. Yes the nest installment from google is not what we expected. But any true android enthusiast knows its better than the current nexus, especially processor wise.. Its not a coincidence that engadget along with many other that have given it a test run. Call it the best android phone as of right now
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Yeah, but prolly next month that will change. The NS should have been what the N1 did: produced an excellent phone that was leaps and bounds ahead of it's time. The NS should AT LEAST have a dual core processor, and don't give me that bull saying that "even if it did have 2 cores, the current software could not make use of it's power," blah blah. That's why it is a developer's phone as well, to use and unlock it's power, like they did with the N1.

/rant
 
why all this fuss?

Linpack test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 14
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 30

Benchmark by Softweg CPU test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 1,700
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 2,200
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Any experts here who would care to elaborate why these numbers are fake? 'That's not true cos Hummingbird is better because they say so' won't be a valid one. Seeking a technical one.

Benchmark by Softweg 2D graphics test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 31
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 28

Neocore 3D graphics test
Galaxy S (Hummingbird): 55.7
Nexus One (Snapdragon): 28.4
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Galaxy S clearly dominates on graphic tests, especially the 3D one, which goes in accordance of having a better GPU.
 
Air Force One said:
Oh, well, with all that great info you provided I'm now convinced it's a false statement....:rolleyes:


already a fanboy and you haven't even touched an NS yet...

Well that's cool, but please allow the rest of us to rely on technical data before we crown anything the "best"....and by quoting Engadget you really don't help your argument, btw

some of us aren't trying to justify anything and have money to burn on mobile devices if we want...some of us don't want to trade beautiful build quality for cheap crap
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watch your mouth buddy, im no fanboy... I want the phone for one reason only, because I will get the updates first . period. I also did not "quote" anyone, i simply said there are many reviews out there that peg the ns as the best performing android phone right now. Sure its no dual core and i along with some of you am disappointed as well. But I will get it anyway, because while im receiving updates the DC beasts with there added skins and carrier bloatware will have to wait months. Now if google released a dc in 6 months, im on that too.
 
BiGMERF said:
watch your mouth buddy,.
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ooooh, playing a tough guy on the internets....reminds me of a certain Jets coach from this past weekend :D


You made a statement along the lines of "false statement, period"

All I'm doing is pointing out that the only truth right now is you don't know anything about this device other than what you've READ....and saying engadget has reviewed it tells us next to nothing.


So, quit making blanket statements of opinion and trying to pass them off as fact and I won't call you a fanboy. Maybe the NS will be the best Android device maybe not...let's see how well they implemented that Hummingbird processor and how well the hardware integrates with the software *in the real world* before we go crowing anything, as you put it, "the best".

Until then it's perfectly fine for folks to debate the merits of this device and whether they should upgrade... and I see no reason for you trying to bully people into only saying good things about it other than YOU are the one trying to justify why you are upgrading. At least use the damn thing before you claim it's the best anything.
 
internet thug? lol, is that even possible... you dont know me or how get down. so please dont question me. Any way you are right i am going based on multiple reviews , when 5 out of 5 say its a good product then i will go by that. Also i refuse to believe that google would allow samsung to distribute a shitty product with there name on it. Have you tried any of the galaxy phones. they move along at a good pace, on par if not better than the nexus. I have tried the vibrant and facinate and found them to be on par. With that said i refuse to believe that the nexus s will be any worse, in fact it should be alot better
 
Google allowed the N1 to go out the door with a Clearpad 2000 (take it for what its worth). I just hope Samsung fixed there GPS issues with the NS.

I am excited to hear Bigmerf comparison, let us know how it holds up to the N1. I don't think I will be picking up the NS but I am thinking about switching over to T-Mobile. I am just hating how little support Att gives to android.
 
Until then it's perfectly fine for folks to debate the merits of this device and whether they should upgrade...
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This single line has it right.... If I see anymore drama and personal attacks then I'll be the one to take action. :D



FWIW (keeping in mind this is all beyond me), aren't the quadrant scores build and optimized for Snapdragon chips and not Hummingbird chips? This could be the reason for the varying scores. Personally, scores are useless IMO as playing with the device makes all the difference in the world.
 
im picking it up first thing tomorrow moring and then i begin my drive from florida to nyc. I plan to stop at a hotel in nc. So I will try and get on from the hotel and leave my impressions of the phone. that long drive should give me ample time to check out the gps :)
 
BiGMERF said:
im picking it up first thing tomorrow moring and then i begin my drive from florida to nyc. I plan to stop at a hotel in nc. So I will try and get on from the hotel and leave my impressions of the phone. that long drive should give me ample time to check out the gps :)
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If you end up in South Dakoda then we will know the GPS issue still isn't fixed.
 
Mostly Harmless said:
If you end up in South Dakoda then we will know the GPS issue still isn't fixed.
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Lmao, no I will be using my cars Navigation for that. I will just be running the phone to see if it follows me accurately along the map. If it locks on to my position without issue. I believe it should be fine. remember they delayed this phone weeks ago just to swap the gps chip
 
well the sad truth is that the snapdragon always has spanked the hummingbird in Linpack scores, although that area of the processor shows very little real world difference. for the people who think that the hummingbird is a dominant winner....its not. These two processors are more like rivals. Snapdragon has had the edge in raw processing power because it was designed that way, also take into consideration that snapdragon phones are utilizing 512mb of ram which more ram equals more speed. the hummingbird processor was built around a GPU philosophy, smoother animations and superior video playback to anything the snapdragon could produce. The hummingbird at this point is not used to its potential as its OS is terrible in the respect of reads and writes and therefore produces the "lag" that everyone loves so much and that only 312mb of ram are accessible to the user. So is one better than the other.....Yes..... just at different things. RyansOCLF show that a simple tweak to a OS and storage makes these phones ridiculous and will immediately have snapdragon users claiming cheats, while their is no "cheat", it just simply utilizes the the amount of ram better by requiring it to not have to travel as far to retrieve or write information and store information in memory, less writes equals more speed. I would like to believe when we see the new nexus that samsung has seen this error and addressed it as there is already speculation that it has been. Scores from Linpack and Quadrant have no bearing on these devices in real world use. launching applications side by side is the only way too see which phone is running faster and even that has room for user error, having said that if you go over to youtube you can see many places the galaxy spanks the N1 regardless of processing power or ram. If it is any consolation to you though no matter what phone wins at this point, in 1 year we will all have a slow dated device.
 
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