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Rogers Dream 1.6 Update
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Thanks for your reply.
I should point out a correction to option #1. It is reasonable to demand updates only as long as the hardware supports the updates. We cannot reasonably expect Android updates in to perpetuity.
I (or we) really need to review our contract in order to determine if there are really, truly, any "outs" for the consumer. I was only guessing "breech of contract". At this time, I do not know, but I will be sure to take a copy of my contract on vacation tomorrow. I am not a lawyer, but I do have some experience as a two-times writer of legal documents.
GreatBigDog
Android Enthusiast
I have heard that the magic is perfectly capable of supporting 2.x as it has the same or better specs than the Hero. Sinc HTC is working on 2.1 for the hero it should also run on Magic. The Dream however has a problem with storage space (Apps to SD would fix that though)
gbd
GreatBigDog
Android Enthusiast
HTC - You know what you can do with your exchange!!!! I WANT MY ONE POINT SIX.
2.0 i know for sure can be installed to the dream. The only problem left is the camera driver. Hackers couldn't get it because it's a closed source from HTC.
As for 2.1, you can see the video that i posted. Currently the Rom is just a basic rom with not many features. So by the time it's fully release, we don't know if it will fit into dream/G1 or not.
Boualem, is not that. Go do some read up as to why. I think the phone set a quota for OS install then leave the rest for apps. I believe somewhere around 70 to 80 mb.
This is true. However it does not change anything.
Applications-reserved-space applies to all phones and all versions of Android. This will continue until Google decides to put them on the SD card
Regardless of how ROM and RAM are partitioned, what count at the end is how much RAM and ROM you've got
mjschmidt
Android Expert
Here is an interesting stream of tweets I discovered on Twitter between RogersMary and various people:
"@RogersHelps Why won't you guys pony up for Android 1.6 when a lot of applications are using the features it provides?"
To which RogersMary replied:
"@afreak Hi. We can't offer an upgrade until HTC makes one available to us, which has not been offered."
To which TheNinjaSquad replied:
"@RogersMary Would they make one if you asked/paid them to?"
To which RogersMary replied:
"@theninjasquad We have asked. They're considering their options."
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I also noticed this:
"@RogersMary So nothing is decided regarding HTC Magic and upgrades? And is it a question for you or HTC?"
To which RogersMary replied:
"@theninjasquad We have asked. They're considering their options."
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These two conversations were about 2 hours ago, so I wonder what "options" HTC is considering?
"@RogersHelps Why won't you guys pony up for Android 1.6 when a lot of applications are using the features it provides?"
To which RogersMary replied:
"@afreak Hi. We can't offer an upgrade until HTC makes one available to us, which has not been offered."
To which TheNinjaSquad replied:
"@RogersMary Would they make one if you asked/paid them to?"
To which RogersMary replied:
"@theninjasquad We have asked. They're considering their options."
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I also noticed this:
"@RogersMary So nothing is decided regarding HTC Magic and upgrades? And is it a question for you or HTC?"
To which RogersMary replied:
"@theninjasquad We have asked. They're considering their options."
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These two conversations were about 2 hours ago, so I wonder what "options" HTC is considering?
Hi Everyone - Sorry I haven't re-engaged sooner but I've been working with our team and HTC to try and find some answers for you.
I can see some of you have already quoted replies I've made to other blogs
From what I've read, most of it can be captured in a comment I made on I Want My One Point Six - Demanding Android 1.6 for our Rogers HTC Magic & Dream, and LG Eve Phones but I'll copy it below as well.
I'm sure you'll have additional questions/comments and I'll get back as often as I can.
Here's what I posted earlier:
Hi Michael
gnugu
Well-Known Member
DON'T!!!
You are bricked if ALL of these apply:
1. Can't boot to SPL.
2. Can't boot to recovery.
3. Can't boot to ROM.
If you are bricked NOBODY can read the phone, not even all-mighty HTC.
So! Find a different Rogers store, walk in and tell them that your battery died and after you have fully recharged the phone it no longer works. They'll ask questions you tell them you don't understand what they are talking about. Don't mention rooting/unlocking anything.
You have no idea what happened. You demand the phone to be replaced within the warranty!
It works. I can confirm!
mjschmidt
Android Expert
A question of 1.6 vs 2.0
I have been seeing a number of posters complaining that we are wasting or time asking for 1.6, or that we are "settling" and should just forget 1.6 and ask for 2.0.
I do not disagree that it would be better to have 2.0, and if it works on our hardware, then yes, I want it.
However... before we end up fracturing in our support of this issue, please consider the following:
When we started this crusade a month ago, we were being told everything from "yes, the upgrade is coming" to "No you can't get it" to "It's available right now on the web site to download."
Of course the "download" to which they were erroneously referring is the 1.5 bug fix/security patch.
After finally complaining our way to the Office of the President (OotP) a number of us were told by _different_ representatives that Rogers would get the update from HTC by the end of December for testing and evaluation, and that we _might_ get it in the new year. This was after we specifically asked about getting _1.6_.
It turned out later, according to Mr. Brian Szeto from the OotP (and Mary) that these OotP reps _misunderstood_ our request and had confused 1,6 with 1.5 (just like the CSRs and techies) even though we explained it to them clearly, we thought. It turns out these reps _meant_ to say that we would be getting more updates to 1.5, not the 1.6 upgrade.
Please also remember that when I spoke to Sherry from the OotP, she put me on hold to talk to "tier 2" support and when she came back to me she told me that she had them look at HTC's site, and they saw that an update was available, so they would have to look in to it. That means that, until I called to complain, they seemed not even to know that 1.6 was an option!
In a subsequent conversation with Sherry, she had to investigate to find out just who was responsible for Android! This included bringing in the Director of Rogers Wireless.
Now, I'd love to have 2.0, and I _hope_ that because of the attention we've given this issue Rogers must know 2.0 is an option, but given the confusion we've experience at their end, given that they confused 1.5 with 1.6, and didn't know who was responsible for it... I am concerned that changing our focus from 1.6 (which we have been demanding all this time) to 2.0 might just confuse them further.
If HTC announces (through Rogers) that they've decided to skip 1.6 for our phones, but take us right to 2.0, _and_ they will have it for us within the next 2 months, I will be very happy, and I will forget about 1.6.
However, until we hear from them that they will give us 2.0 instead, I think our chances of getting 1.6 are a lot better.
Considering that 1.6 has been available since October, then _if_ they said we couldn't have 2.0 until later in 2010, I'd rather they give us 1.6 now, and 2.0 later.
Those of you who want to give up on 1.6 and demand 2.0, you have that option. Until and unless Rogers or HTC says we will have 2.0 within _2_ months, I will keep demanding 1.6 since it seems the more likely of the two.
I also don't want Rogers or HTC to use the requests of some for 2.0 as an excuse to make us wait even longer, when theoretically we could have 1.6 a LOT sooner.
I have been seeing a number of posters complaining that we are wasting or time asking for 1.6, or that we are "settling" and should just forget 1.6 and ask for 2.0.
I do not disagree that it would be better to have 2.0, and if it works on our hardware, then yes, I want it.
However... before we end up fracturing in our support of this issue, please consider the following:
When we started this crusade a month ago, we were being told everything from "yes, the upgrade is coming" to "No you can't get it" to "It's available right now on the web site to download."
Of course the "download" to which they were erroneously referring is the 1.5 bug fix/security patch.
After finally complaining our way to the Office of the President (OotP) a number of us were told by _different_ representatives that Rogers would get the update from HTC by the end of December for testing and evaluation, and that we _might_ get it in the new year. This was after we specifically asked about getting _1.6_.
It turned out later, according to Mr. Brian Szeto from the OotP (and Mary) that these OotP reps _misunderstood_ our request and had confused 1,6 with 1.5 (just like the CSRs and techies) even though we explained it to them clearly, we thought. It turns out these reps _meant_ to say that we would be getting more updates to 1.5, not the 1.6 upgrade.
Please also remember that when I spoke to Sherry from the OotP, she put me on hold to talk to "tier 2" support and when she came back to me she told me that she had them look at HTC's site, and they saw that an update was available, so they would have to look in to it. That means that, until I called to complain, they seemed not even to know that 1.6 was an option!
In a subsequent conversation with Sherry, she had to investigate to find out just who was responsible for Android! This included bringing in the Director of Rogers Wireless.
Now, I'd love to have 2.0, and I _hope_ that because of the attention we've given this issue Rogers must know 2.0 is an option, but given the confusion we've experience at their end, given that they confused 1.5 with 1.6, and didn't know who was responsible for it... I am concerned that changing our focus from 1.6 (which we have been demanding all this time) to 2.0 might just confuse them further.
If HTC announces (through Rogers) that they've decided to skip 1.6 for our phones, but take us right to 2.0, _and_ they will have it for us within the next 2 months, I will be very happy, and I will forget about 1.6.
However, until we hear from them that they will give us 2.0 instead, I think our chances of getting 1.6 are a lot better.
Considering that 1.6 has been available since October, then _if_ they said we couldn't have 2.0 until later in 2010, I'd rather they give us 1.6 now, and 2.0 later.
Those of you who want to give up on 1.6 and demand 2.0, you have that option. Until and unless Rogers or HTC says we will have 2.0 within _2_ months, I will keep demanding 1.6 since it seems the more likely of the two.
I also don't want Rogers or HTC to use the requests of some for 2.0 as an excuse to make us wait even longer, when theoretically we could have 1.6 a LOT sooner.
Klenya
Member
There are few applications on Android market that make the work for Exchange, so I prefer to pay for it and to have an updated version of Android
And just keep doing this?
Eventually, Rogers will realize that it would have been cheaper and more profitable to simply allow us to replace our Android phones with something else, like the iPhone.... or provide timely updates for the Android.
Note... I am not advocating the repeated and purposeful bricking of your phones, but if it does happen... play stupid (even if it hurts your ego) and send it in for repair... er replacement.
If there is no resolution by the time I get back from holidays, I plan to do my own upgrade. This is out of necessity because I am getting into trouble with the wife because of constant dropped calls and occasional complete loss of reception.
Is anyone else experiencing this issue? See: Issue 2845 - android - After Losing Signal Phone Doesn't Try To Reacquire it - Project Hosting on Google Code
And just keep doing this?
Eventually, Rogers will realize that it would have been cheaper and more profitable to simply allow us to replace our Android phones with something else, like the iPhone.... or provide timely updates for the Android.
Note... I am not advocating the repeated and purposeful bricking of your phones, but if it does happen... play stupid (even if it hurts your ego) and send it in for repair... er replacement.
If there is no resolution by the time I get back from holidays, I plan to do my own upgrade. This is out of necessity because I am getting into trouble with the wife because of constant dropped calls and occasional complete loss of reception.
Is anyone else experiencing this issue? See: Issue 2845 - android - After Losing Signal Phone Doesn't Try To Reacquire it - Project Hosting on Google Code
Sadly to say but i don't want this to be an excuse for them for putting up bug fix for 1.5
mjschmidt
Android Expert
I have had no trouble with dropped called since I got my Magic in June. Maybe it's a bad phone?
What i had experienced is calls come in with 2 rings and stop. Didn't tell me if there's a miss call. 2 weeks ago i got full bar signal but can't receive or make calls for 2 days even after replacing simcard as i was told. After that, it starts working again but I got a replacement phone for it. I think it was one of the tower went down in my area.
GreatBigDog
Android Enthusiast
I had the same problem with 2 rings but it was me hitting the hangup button instead of the pickup button in the dark. It sent my calls to voice mail. ;-)
chrisyak
Member
sconnelly great post and mjschmidt nice rebuttal i can agree with everything you both said and those should be our clear and cut objectives.......
mjschmidt ,awesome reply to mary and she will have her work cut out for her with that response.....i think mary is gonna needs some assistants on this issue...i will repsond to blog a little later pressed for time today
mjschmidt ,awesome reply to mary and she will have her work cut out for her with that response.....i think mary is gonna needs some assistants on this issue...i will repsond to blog a little later pressed for time today
GreatBigDog
Android Enthusiast
I put out $79 for the phone $99 to extend the guarantee out to 3 years and $116 for 16GB SD. No way I'd settle for 8GB Iphone (you can't expand it). It would have to be the 16GB Iphone 3GS for me.
gbd
Klenya
Member
I don't think this an equal replacement. Battery life of iPhone 3G is barely 12 hours of moderate usage when Magic could last up to 24 hours.
After all there no free navigation system from Google (or Apple
) for iPhone even in theory 