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Gingerbread 2.3 was here, then gone, now it's back

When will VZW push a fixed GB OTA

  • 10/11/11

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10/17/11

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10/24/11

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10/31/11

    Votes: 3 2.8%
  • 11/07/11

    Votes: 2 1.9%
  • 11/14/111

    Votes: 22 20.6%
  • 11/21/11

    Votes: 6 5.6%
  • Don't care (rooted already, etc)

    Votes: 23 21.5%
  • Before Christmas

    Votes: 12 11.2%
  • Never, the lobsters ate all the testers so it got cancelled

    Votes: 11 10.3%
  • It isn't coming at all now

    Votes: 13 12.1%
  • Any minute now

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Immediately after Jimmy Hoffa's body is found

    Votes: 4 3.7%
  • The day after the apocalypse

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Sometime after the sun goes supernova

    Votes: 9 8.4%

  • Total voters
    107
  • Poll closed .
Facts?!?!? This is no place for facts! This is a haven for rampant speculation and misinformation! How silly of you!

:D

Oh, and bunnies.

(Sorry, it's almost the weekend and I'm running on fumes. Do carry on.)


Bunnies? Where???!!!!!

I may be wrong but weren't we the 3rd Verizon phone to get froyo? Both Motorolas got it first. And I believe at least 1 sprint and 1 T-Mobile got it before us too.

However, weren't we the first to get one that wasn't flawed at first.

Either way, I didn't mind waiting a little longer.

I don't mind waiting - as I've pointed out.....used to it by now and yes, I believe we were the first mostly unflawed version out.
 
I may be wrong but weren't we the 3rd Verizon phone to get froyo? Both Motorolas got it first. And I believe at least 1 sprint and 1 T-Mobile got it before us too.

However, weren't we the first to get one that wasn't flawed at first.

Either way, I didn't mind waiting a little longer.


Only the evo, Droid classic and N1 got it before us (the DroidX recieved froyo just after).

And I know there were serious issues with the N1 update (par for the course with the development phone). I seem to recall there were problems with the evo, but I'm not absolutely sure.

EDIT: I just remembered that the droid 2 was released with froyo onboard. So we were still the third phone updated to froyo.
 
The Evo's problems on Froyo update were traced to dirty cache(s) - and most all of them evaporated with a factory reset.

The problems left behind were actual new bugs from HTC or worse, in the Android update, like breaking music services that used to work and such (for some reason, shoutcast comes to mind, but don't quote me on that).

The Gingerbread update for the Evo has gone down in much the same way.

Biggest disappointments that struck me were:


  • Small incremental Sense update - still at rev 1, just pulled in a scant few Sense 2.1 features.
  • Broke existing root method, so if you're wanting to root, do it before you get any official updates, because you never know. (And you can always choose to just put off an OTA while you decide - you always have time to reconsider, you never have the power to turn back the clock.)


Hope that helps!
 
Hello this is Evan from Verizon Wireless NRB,

I have gotten confirmation that the original Incredible will be the next handset to be upgraded after the Incredible 2 update rollout is completed. I will provide the exact date as I did with the Incredible 2.

Thank you,

Evan
Verizon Wireless NRB
 
GB on the Inc will be a welcome sight when it happens, even if it is WEEKS from now.

You'll recall from my earlier posts here that I'd insisted that 2.3 would be a performance update because of the garbage collection (fancy programmers term meaning to manage dynamic memory use properly) - and boy, I gotta tell ya, that's just no joke.

Got it first on my Evo, then my wife's Shift - she was totally blown away, and she's not a chiphead like us, basically, she's your standard regulation user - and it's really nailed it for her. She walked 8 inches above ground for 3 days bragging on the speed and smoothness improvement.

I think that right there says more than I could.
 
You'll recall from my earlier posts here that I'd insisted that 2.3 would be a performance update because of the garbage collection (fancy programmers term meaning to manage dynamic memory use properly) - and boy, I gotta tell ya, that's just no joke.

Got it first on my Evo, then my wife's Shift - she was totally blown away, and she's not a chiphead like us, basically, she's your standard regulation user - and it's really nailed it for her. She walked 8 inches above ground for 3 days bragging on the speed and smoothness improvement.

I think that right there says more than I could.

WOW, thats awesome to hear Early. It helps to hear others really noticing the performance gains of GB. Will be happy if it is nothing but speed improvements.

Again no telling when we will get ours but I'm SOOO ready. Think I will go about backing data up, just to be safe. A factory reset usually makes all the difference in the world after an OS update
 
Remind me again of your ram/rom specs - the Evo had 512 MB ram/1 GB rom - and they couldn't manage the big Sense upgrade.

Really curious if we can smoke out what they might do ahead of time on this one.

Root devs might include all sorts of stuff, either way, with regard to Sense, but this is the unrooted users forum, and I'm sure they're as curious as I am.
 
RAM is 512 w/ 8gig built-in internal storage. Hate to admit it but i never really understood what the ROM is in a phone. I mean I know its read only memory but not sure what that means for phones
 
Pffft - I'm your huckleberry. :)

OK, let's get this all deconflicted, and I'm going to address the general audience in this write-up.

There is a single package for ALL motherboard user memory (*) in the 3vo and it's made by Samsung (and in that regard, it's exactly like the Evo, just using a new/different package).

Once upon a time, we had chips in packages. If you've seen inside a PC, the CPU and memory (for example) were each a single chip inside each package. The black thing you can see and touch, the house for the chip in other words, is called a package. In the old days, we used the words chip and package interchangeably because there was just one chip inside each package.

And we've heard about taking like a piece of a PC motherboard with several chips, and making it all on one HUGE chip, and we call that a System on (a) Chip - SoC. That's still one (huge) chip in a single package.

There's also another level of organization: the multi-chip package - MCP. An MCP is not an SoC. An MCP is where they take more than one chip and house them in a single package. They're not a system, this is just a way to have fewer packages to deal with, for convenience and economy. Hence, the MCP at top of the diagrams on page 6 of the schematic.

In the 3vo's case, the MCP is a Samsung KMMLL000QM-B503. (No detailed data sheet online that I've found.)

ROM vs RAM vs eMMC

In the old days, we had RAM - random access memory, meaning you get to any memory bit any way you liked. We still have that.

In the old days, we had a kind of chip called ROM - read-only memory (with random access) - and the thing with ROM is it remembers when the power is off (RAM forgets when the power is off). A ROM could never be written to once burned at the factory. Then we had various programmable ROMs, where you could write to them for some limited number of times, but you could read them to your heart's content - these, we used for PC BIOS for those of you familiar with that.

Years ago, they invented a new kind of memory that they called flash memory. Any of your USB sticks or SD cards of any kind - all flash memory. If you recall, advanced smartphones, MP3 players and USB sticks all started hitting the shelves at about the same time - because of flash memory.

The thing we call ROM in modern smartphones isn't ROM at all, it just acts like ROM because it remembers when the power is off - it's been flash memory all along.

An SD card is a type of multi-media card (MMC). Recently, someone bright said - hey, we have one type of interface to the SD card and another type of interface to this stuff we're telling people is ROM, but it's all just flash memory. How about we make the ROM thingy with the same interface to simplify things? Good idea, so they did it.

And that's the eMMC flash memory aka ROM in the 3vo.

So - in that one Samsung package, there's going to 1 GB LPDDR2 RAM and 4 GB eMMC - or you can call it 1GB RAM / 4GB ROM.

(Fun fact if you've read this far. Flash memory is factory-built with one of two types of logic - NOR (not or) or NAND (not and). The flash we use in our phones is the nand logic type. So when you hear rooters talking about the NAND bootloader or making a nandroid backup of their rom - it's all about using slang for the actual type of flash memory the phones have.)



btw - LPDDR2 RAM and LPDDR2 SDRAM are the same thing, call it either way you like, I chose the former because it's 2 fewer characters to type.

(*) in addition to motherboard memory, you can add up to 32 GB of user storage on a microSD card.

Now - even tho that's discussing the Evo 3D, it's still the same type of memory hardware for the Incredible.

So - back to your flash memory (just like in a usb stick) that we call ROM (just cause we do) - it's divided into several areas.

Those divisions we call filesystems, but it's just like when you create logical drives on a single device - like when you take one usb stick and make a E: and F: and G: on it.

For your phone, the required partitions for rom are: 1) bootloader, 2) usually a separate one for radio firmware, 3) /system folder, 4) /data folder, 5) /system/app folder (so /system can be protected but you can still install your apps in that area) and finally, 6) a little set aside for future expansion.

In the case of phones with deeper memory like the Samsung Galaxy 2, the extra rom area is set up as an internal /sdcard area (then another external sdcard area is set up for the actual, physical sd card).

On your Incredible, that extra memory followed Verizon's specification for memory layout - point is, ROM is flash memory chip partitioned in clever ways.

In your case - unlike the Evo - you have the available rom memory to take a Sense 2.1 update (like the Shift got) - and I'm noticing you have as much ram as the Shift -

Hot dang! You cats might be in line to get Sense 2.1 then! :) :) :)
 
Really - it's eMMC as well - cool, thanks for squaring me away, I did not know that.

I was under the false impression that HTC didn't introduce eMMC until this year. I'll edit my post to leave that silliness out then.

That said, if the phone's rom allocation is really that small, then you may be in line for just the incremental Sense 1 upgrade then.
 
the Incredible does have eMMC, 8GB worth, of which i believe 768MB or something is allocated as ROM for phone stuff

Really - it's eMMC as well - cool, thanks for squaring me away, I did not know that.

I was under the impression that HTC didn't introduce eMMC until this year.

That said, if the phone's rom allocation is really that small, then you may be in line for just the incremental Sense 1 upgrade then.


Well 8gig total. I know that 748 is for programs, it lists total space as 6.46gigs... Guess that leaves 1 or just under as ROM memory.... So probably is just as Poboy said. Right around 768ish since there is obviously the 150mb data/data partition (which we all hate)

Would love it if we got some new sense features but really will just love GB no matter what. Speed/performance issues cool but it is more of a 'dont forget about us' kinda thing for me. Hell our phone is EOL already and we ARE getting another upgrade so I aint mad at um....
 
Would love it if we got some new sense features but really will just love GB no matter what. Speed/performance issues cool but it is more of a 'dont forget about us' kinda thing for me. Hell our phone is EOL already and we ARE getting another upgrade so I aint mad at um....

I totally agree with this. All it takes is one look at the whole HTC Droid Incredible Thread on this site to realize how much support this phone has had from consumers. We just want one last bit of support back from HTC/Verizon.
 
OK, doing the math - 8-6.4 = 1.6 GB total phone rom, about half for apps. They might pull off Sense 2 for you anyway, then. Remember - the Evo had 1GB total and the Shift 2GB total - and that included for apps.

I'm just speculating - that is the topic. :) ;)

And why do you all hate data/data? It's just needed infrastructure, so what's to hate?
 
And why do you all hate data/data? It's just needed infrastructure, so what's to hate?

The sticky in support section is about the dreaded 'low memory warning'. It has been attributed to the 150mb data partition, used only for the the data in apps. Once that gets filled, no more text messages/market updates/new apps/etc.

Known culprits are stock mail app/dialer storage/list goes on and on.....
Seems to only be a problem on the Incredible though. Yes we have 8 internal, I have had the 'low memory' warning when actual program memory still showed over 300mb available.

One of the many nicely explained posts in that thread here: http://androidforums.com/2712072-post573.html
 
Holy catfish!

I knew you cats had issues (like who doesn't), but you've really been behind the 8-ball on stuff. Wow!

Well - anyway - yeah - Gingerbread runs smooth, no doubt about it.

PS - Thread is okey dokey (so was your link), it's your browser maybe.
 
WOW, thats awesome to hear Early. It helps to hear others really noticing the performance gains of GB. Will be happy if it is nothing but speed improvements.

Again no telling when we will get ours but I'm SOOO ready. Think I will go about backing data up, just to be safe. A factory reset usually makes all the difference in the world after an OS update

Ok - so I have to ask = what is the best program to use for backing up the whole thing? I know I should have a back up anyway but I don't yet so now would be a good time I guess.
 
Ok - so I have to ask = what is the best program to use for backing up the whole thing? I know I should have a back up anyway but I don't yet so now would be a good time I guess.

Depends on what you really wanna back up. Contacts through google and there is not a really good way to completely back other things up unless you root (i think)
 
That's true, root provide the most backing up, but you can skin the cat with a good strategy.

From the Evo and Evo 3D forums, here's the consensus:


  • MyBackup Pro
    • alternatively to that, Sprite Backup used in conjuction with the app backup feature in Astro File Manager (EStrongs File Manager has added that feature as well)
  • Just today, Handy Backup was brought to my attention to store settings and SMS and more - use something like this in addition to the "full" stuff above
    • Previously, I'd used SMS Backup, the free version will do texts, the paid one will do MMS as well - so - depends what you need there

And - before trusting any backups - check on the Gmail on the web, Contacts (link on left side) that your contacts are all really, really there. If you have some contacts on your phone, use HTC People to export your phone contacts to the SD card to back those up.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but I _think_ it's a good list.

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Our recommended strategy is simple:



  1. Make a full backup
  2. Get the OTA
  3. Make another full backup
  4. Factory data reset - don't mess around, just do it, srsly
  5. Restore from backup of step 3 - if all goes well, throw away backup from #1, if not, #1 is your backup backup ;)
 
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