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Id hate to be annoying but do you know where I can find the instructions for windows xp or should the instructions thats posted everywhere work with XP? Im really confused right now all i need is for this unknown device to be recgonized and Ill have all these updates pat..Samsung studio PC isnt showing any USB devices.. uhm what should I do as installing the driver.. should I search for it or install it directly i mean what are the steps as to installing the drivers?
 
4SidedDie said:
Id hate to be annoying but do you know where I can find the instructions for windows xp or should the instructions thats posted everywhere work with XP? Im really confused right now all i need is for this unknown device to be recgonized and Ill have all these updates pat..Samsung studio PC isnt showing any USB devices.. uhm what should I do as installing the driver.. should I search for it or install it directly i mean what are the steps as to installing the drivers?
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They are generic steps for all Windows based OS versions.. Samsung studio pc is not a problem you should USE, but it contains the drivers that your computer needs.. if you plugged it in before you had the drivers and it is at unknown device you need to go into the device manager and uninstall that.. then unplug the usb and plug it back in.. hopefully it will find the drivers this time.. other then that i do not know because i never had this problem...
 
Wandering off-topic but this page couldn't be less accurate about LiIon:
Rechargeable Battery Care

Nearly all of its guidelines are for Nickel-based rechargables; they would harm a LiIon battery. I almost wonder if it's even written by the same person throughout:
"NiCad batteries are rechargeable, whereas Lithium and alkaline batteries are not rechargeable."

Lithium batteries are not rechargable... wow.

Read this instead:
How to prolong lithium-based batteries

This doesn't explain why the Samsung Moment has awful battery life (mine does as well), but it does clear up some non-reasons.

Personally I think the Moment has a power-hungry CPU, a small battery, and an irresponsible manufacturer. Hopefully fixes to Android and reducing the number of background apps can mitigate the issue, but ultimately the culpability lies with Samsung. I'm very disappointed.

As a point of comparison, my previous Windows Mobile phone by HTC had a 1500mAh battery, and a 400Mhz Qualcomm CPU. The Samsung Moment has a smaller 1350mAh battery, and a 800Mhz Samsung CPU.

One of the primary arbiters of power draw in any CPU is Mhz. You can increase speed with efficiency, or just slamming it with more power. The latter increases Mhz, the former leaves Mhz be but gets more operations per second out of the same cycles.

I canNOT find any claim as to the wattage draw of the s3c6410 CPU in the Samsung Moment, especially on Samsung's site which is not a good sign. I can find performance reviews showing that the s3c6410 is significantly less efficient than for example the Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU found in the Nexus One.
 
soopahman said:
Read this instead:
How to prolong lithium-based batteries

This doesn't explain why the Samsung Moment has awful battery life (mine does as well), but it does clear up some non-reasons.
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The battery is fine. It's the battery meter that's giving you incorrect readings. The battery meter tells the phone when to turn off the keyboard back light and when to shut down, prematurely.

I used to get horrible battery life but after installing a new kernel (with meter code written by numus) my battery can last 2 days with light usage and 24 hours with moderate to heavy usage. Read the posts in this thread by numus and it'll become clear.
 
Yup, definately software related. I too was having horrible battery life until I flashed Zefie's latest kernel (10.3). Now I can run 12 hours with moderate use and the battery is still at 60%.
 
soopahman said:
Wandering off-topic but this page couldn't be less accurate about LiIon:
Rechargeable Battery Care

Nearly all of its guidelines are for Nickel-based rechargables; they would harm a LiIon battery. I almost wonder if it's even written by the same person throughout:
"NiCad batteries are rechargeable, whereas Lithium and alkaline batteries are not rechargeable."

Lithium batteries are not rechargable... wow.

Read this instead:
How to prolong lithium-based batteries

This doesn't explain why the Samsung Moment has awful battery life (mine does as well), but it does clear up some non-reasons.

Personally I think the Moment has a power-hungry CPU, a small battery, and an irresponsible manufacturer. Hopefully fixes to Android and reducing the number of background apps can mitigate the issue, but ultimately the culpability lies with Samsung. I'm very disappointed.

As a point of comparison, my previous Windows Mobile phone by HTC had a 1500mAh battery, and a 400Mhz Qualcomm CPU. The Samsung Moment has a smaller 1350mAh battery, and a 800Mhz Samsung CPU.

One of the primary arbiters of power draw in any CPU is Mhz. You can increase speed with efficiency, or just slamming it with more power. The latter increases Mhz, the former leaves Mhz be but gets more operations per second out of the same cycles.

I canNOT find any claim as to the wattage draw of the s3c6410 CPU in the Samsung Moment, especially on Samsung's site which is not a good sign. I can find performance reviews showing that the s3c6410 is significantly less efficient than for example the Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU found in the Nexus One.
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Note.. The battery in the moment IS NOT REGULATED BY A FUEL GAUGE!
Big thing to understand, single cell batteries do not have fuel gauge regulators.. PACKS have fuel gauges (these are also known as PCMs).. so there is no calibration period...
 
ramiss said:
Yup, definately software related. I too was having horrible battery life until I flashed Zefie's latest kernel (10.3). Now I can run 12 hours with moderate use and the battery is still at 60%.
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My phone went red after 37 hours.
downloaded a half dozen apps, read some news, texted a bunch, had about 15 minutes of phone calls, and listend to the radio (streamfurious) for 30 minutes - oh, all with "location" options enabled, and bluetooth on.

10.3 is good.
 
AlkiDweller said:
The battery is fine. It's the battery meter that's giving you incorrect readings. The battery meter tells the phone when to turn off the keyboard back light and when to shut down, prematurely.

I used to get horrible battery life but after installing a new kernel (with meter code written by numus) my battery can last 2 days with light usage and 24 hours with moderate to heavy usage. Read the posts in this thread by numus and it'll become clear.
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How do I download and install a new kernel the one with meter code written by numus? Do I need to take the phone appart or what? Is it executable software? or do I need to know code?

ramiss said:
Yup, definately software related. I too was having horrible battery life until I flashed Zefie's latest kernel (10.3). Now I can run 12 hours with moderate use and the battery is still at 60%.
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What do you mean by "flashing Zefie's lates kernel (10.3)? Is it software with an executable file?

thanks for your answers!
 
The battery thing is driving me nuts! I turned off my GPS, turned Facebook to never update, and my weather app to update every 2 hours. I can take the phone off the charger in the morning at 100% and send 4 texts and read through 15 twitter updates and my battery is at "70%". I am literally scared to use my damn phone. I have the official CL14 update from Sprint, is it worth trying to flash a custom kernal or should I just go complain to Sprint and switch to the BB Tour? I love this phone with the apps, but damn I can go days on my BB without charging it with heavy use. Help me here guys...
 
First off, you guys rock for doing all this work.

In the flash instructions page, the link to download the kernels appears to be broken. A little help? Thanks.
 
ramiss said:
Yup, definately software related. I too was having horrible battery life until I flashed Zefie's latest kernel (10.3). Now I can run 12 hours with moderate use and the battery is still at 60%.
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What is "Flashing"?

Thank you guys and gals for a great thread!
 
GodCountryND said:
The battery thing is driving me nuts! I turned off my GPS, turned Facebook to never update, and my weather app to update every 2 hours. I can take the phone off the charger in the morning at 100% and send 4 texts and read through 15 twitter updates and my battery is at "70%". I am literally scared to use my damn phone. I have the official CL14 update from Sprint, is it worth trying to flash a custom kernal or should I just go complain to Sprint and switch to the BB Tour? I love this phone with the apps, but damn I can go days on my BB without charging it with heavy use. Help me here guys...
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Have you tried downloading an app killer? There might be a lot more apps that are turned on that you are not aware of.
 
I tried a few searches and came up with nothing so a quick battery related question, and if there is already an answer somewhere a link would be fine:

Somtimes ill be charging my phone and I get an error that says "not approved battery" and it will then stop charging? What's the reason for this and how do I fix it?

Thanks in advance for any responses.
 
my phone stopped taking a charge on friday - 2/26 - around 2:30pm.

i received a pop-up on my PC while my Moment was plugged in via USB that "the device has reached its power limit" and then stopped taking a charge.

the battery went dead faster than usual on last wednesday and thursday... and then died on friday. if that is any sort of indication that something bad is about to happen.

i had plans friday night, so i readied my back-up phone and i took my Moment to the service center on saturday. they told me i had a "bad" battery and that they had to order one since they didn't have any.

so i wait. they call me late monday, saying the battery had arrived.

i show up, hand them my phone and about a minute later, they tell me that it is the phone and not the battery.

they say that the "computer is bad."

they put in an order for a replacement.

history: i got my Moment the day it released and had a crappy battery in the beginning and did the conditioning thing - which did seem to work - but i would suggest that anyone having any issues with their battery should take it in to have it tested.
 
I too have recently had new battery problems. I've had mine since shortly after it was released. After replacing the kernel around the beginning of January my battery usage went from dismal to great. About two days between charges. Day before yesterday, that changed. I'm now back to dismal.
 
What is an app killer and what is the best one to get and where do i get it. I just got my Moment this weekend and still figuring it out!
 
Cjswifey411 said:
What is an app killer and what is the best one to get and where do i get it. I just got my Moment this weekend and still figuring it out!
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App Killer is an application that allows you to kill apps that still run in the background even after you have close them up...
It was the very first app that I got on my phone...
In your phone, tap on the market button, then when you are there click menu, then search, then type "app killer" it should give you a few choices to download...
 
godsdragon said:
App Killer is an application that allows you to kill apps that still run in the background even after you have close them up...
It was the very first app that I got on my phone...
In your phone, tap on the market button, then when you are there click menu, then search, then type "app killer" it should give you a few choices to download...
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do u have one that you recommend? i read on another thread that an app kill can mess up your phone, is that true?
 
Cjswifey411 said:
do u have one that you recommend? i read on another thread that an app kill can mess up your phone, is that true?
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I grabbed the Advanced Task Killer about 2 days after receiving my Moment and now battery lasts all day......as far as messing up the phone, I have experienced 0 problems and I'm a android newbie...........
 
numus said:
Note.. The battery in the moment IS NOT REGULATED BY A FUEL GAUGE!
Big thing to understand, single cell batteries do not have fuel gauge regulators.. PACKS have fuel gauges (these are also known as PCMs).. so there is no calibration period...
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Which is better for battery life ; to let it run down completely before recharging or recharge at 40%, 30% 15%, etc.?
 
guy2kool said:
I've done the same. I've fully charged it using top off method, then drained it completely (until the phone turns off by itself and won't turn on for more than 10 seconds). Using the top off method, the phone actually lasts about 30 hours total without a charge under normal usage (ten calls, no long conversations, texts, some e-mail). Under complete heavy usage, (using gps wherever I go, looking up maps, having auto sync on, surfing the web) it will last you about 16 hours, which is about right considering and comparing all the other smart touchscreen phones out there like the iPhone and HTC Touch Pro 2 (with touchflow on). Hope I've helped. Enjoy!:)
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After tinkering around with this... I found out that the battery meter does not "get more accurate" with every charge after you run it down to nothing. This is what I found however:

1. I tried overcharging it (for whole 24 hours) again to see if it helps the battery. It did. I took my phone off the charger Saturday morning this weekend, and used it heavily with calls (about 4 hours of total talk time), texts, internet (to look up maps) for the whole weekend. I didn't charge it until Monday morning and it was still alive!

2. Don't trust the battery meter. It was on low (red) sunday afternoon, but it lasted until monday morning.

3. Bluetooth on, GPS on, and the usual syncs.

4. Please try running the battery down to nothing before you say "it's out of battery" 'cause I think that's the biggest problem people are having here. They think it's out, but it's not really out. Run it down until it turns off and you'll see really how long the battery lasts.

Hope this helps. :cool:
 
Is there a post that tells you what to do to save the most battery?
I search but no luck. Way too many posts are about the issues with battery. :eek:



Thanks

NR
 
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