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As long as the runs fast with no slow down.. who cares about the extra Mhz? Rather have longer lasting charge than more speed.

agree, I don't care what the mhz is as long as it runs smooth without slow downs. some people just want it to be 1ghz so they can say "ooooh look, my phone has 1 ghz" and I'm fine with that, because at the end of the day I will still be playing with my 768mhz phone while they have theirs on the charger :)
 
it wont necessarily drain more battery comparing ghz/mhz wise with the Eris. the reason is, although I own an eris and am happy with it(an incredible would be much better though) it was obsolete from the day it was released. however the battery will now last 12hrs+ with minimal usage ever since I deleted YouMail.

that being said, the incredible has the snapdragon(obviously) and much higher memory as well as a higher android firmware number, a much higher MP camera, so it is likely it also has a much better power management chip to cope with the added stress on the battery.

until someone is able to acquire one, take it apart, and identify all the chips then it is unknown how it will behave compared to previous HTC phones.

i personally feel that it is probably the same processor as in the N1 as HTC isn't big enough to go switching around. also we all know the 6GB is BS because it doesn't make economical sense to put that much $$$ into a phone's development and not hype it before its release in order to garner support.

simple word of mouth for 6GB won't be sufficient since we in the tech savvy crowd are a minority
 
With your last couple posts, all the questions you've asked have already been answered. Go back and read the last 10 pages....and no, it's actually a processor that's slower and an entirely different stock #, a less costly processor.

the processor isnt slower it is just under clocked. so if it is released with the 768mhz it can be over clocked and reach the 1ghz(only hope it comes this way) either way NKT says it is blazing fast the way it is and i am okay with that. im not a size queen or a person who buys a fancy sports car and doesnt know how to shift out of neutral


Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets

The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250
 
the processor isnt slower it is just under clocked. so if it is released with the 768mhz it can be over clocked and reach the 1ghz(only hope it comes this way) either way NKT says it is blazing fast the way it is and i am okay with that. im not a size queen or a person who buys a fancy sports car and doesnt know how to shift out of neutral


Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets

The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250
 
I still haven't seen anything on the Incredible that would warrant waiting for it when the Nexus One will probably be available on VZW on the 23rd of this month. 5 MP vs 8 MP camera? I couldn't care less. The crappy little sensor on phone cameras suck no matter how many pixels you give them. The form factor on the Nexus One seems nicer to me too.
 
I still haven't seen anything on the Incredible that would warrant waiting for it when the Nexus One will probably be available on VZW on the 23rd of this month. 5 MP vs 8 MP camera? I couldn't care less. The crappy little sensor on phone cameras suck no matter how many pixels you give them. The form factor on the Nexus One seems nicer to me too.

Kinda leaning your way also ...
 
With your last couple posts, all the questions you've asked have already been answered. Go back and read the last 10 pages....and no, it's actually a processor that's slower and an entirely different stock #, a less costly processor.

You are right about the different stock #, but the link in the first posting to the QSD8650 about the processor says it's "Recommended Max Clock Frequency is 1000MHz", same as the N1's QSD8250. The processor may be underclocked for battery life, heat issues, stability or who knows what.
 
I still haven't seen anything on the Incredible that would warrant waiting for it when the Nexus One will probably be available on VZW on the 23rd of this month. 5 MP vs 8 MP camera? I couldn't care less. The crappy little sensor on phone cameras suck no matter how many pixels you give them. The form factor on the Nexus One seems nicer to me too.

most of the people waiting for the incredible want sense and would rather have a phone that has it native rather than rooting a n1 and voiding the warranty. not too mention that alot of people want the incredible because it will be sold in the store where they can pick it up and hold it and bring it back to if they have problems.
 
You are right about the different stock #, but the link in the first posting to the QSD8650 about the processor says it's "Recommended Max Clock Frequency is 1000MHz", same as the N1's QSD8250. The processor may be underclocked for battery life, heat issues, stability or who knows what.

This was already posted once, but basically there's different quality Snapdragon chips, and they aren't underclocked just by Verizon or HTC, but are sold as slower chips. In simpler terms, they might not be stable if overclocked to 1 Ghz.

@HerbieDerb 768MHz is NOT underclocked. Qualcomm's source clearly says there is a 768MHz part, presumably available to OEMs at a lower cost.

For the technically inclined: https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/q...274bcca7966c626f50cabe4dfe9819c;hb=eclair_rum

According to the source, there's three versions of the QSD8x50 chip: a 768MHz part, a 998MHz part (in the Nexus One), and a 1.267GHz part.

Acer Liquid users have trouble reaching 1GHz with custom kernels without overvolting beyond what the Nexus One has its Snapdragon set at.

Of course, HTC could have bought the 1GHz part and underclocked it - but that would be a waste of money. The Liquid/Incredible Snapdragon is a slower, lower cost part. End of story.
 
Thats the post i was waiting for. So it is pretty much the same processor, just different branding for CMDA and it is originally 1GHZ. Indicating that if it is just underclocked to 768mhz, someone will figure out how to overclock the thing back to 1GHZ.

Yes i agree, if it runs flawless and everything at the stock speed, then there probably is no need for it. Just a waste of battery. But if there is need for it, say "FLASH!!!" then i would definitely bump it up to 1GHZ.


yes i had seen this website long time ago. i also noticed earlier this morning someone else had refrenced it also so i thought it needed to be brought back up again. but like u said flawless at stock speed why do you need it larger? its like buying a car for fuel economy and then pimping it out so its super fast and then no longer economic
 
Note: ALL credit for this goes to coolbho3000 from Engadget. I just found this interesting...

768MHz is NOT underclocked. Qualcomm's source clearly says there is a 768MHz part, presumably available to OEMs at a lower cost.

For the technically inclined: https://www.codeaurora.org/gitweb/q...274bcca7966c626f50cabe4dfe9819c;hb=eclair_rum

According to the source, there's three versions of the QSD8x50 chip: a 768MHz part, a 998MHz part (in the Nexus One), and a 1.267GHz part.

Acer Liquid users have trouble reaching 1GHz with custom kernels without overvolting beyond what the Nexus One has its Snapdragon set at.

Of course, HTC could have bought the 1GHz part and underclocked it - but that would be a waste of money. The Liquid/Incredible Snapdragon is a slower, lower cost part. End of story.

So what are the model numbers for the different chips?

the processor isnt slower it is just under clocked. so if it is released with the 768mhz it can be over clocked and reach the 1ghz(only hope it comes this way) either way NKT says it is blazing fast the way it is and i am okay with that. im not a size queen or a person who buys a fancy sports car and doesnt know how to shift out of neutral


Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets





The QSD8x50 platform consists of the QSD8250™ which supports GSM, GPRS, EDGE, HSPA networks while the QSD8650™ supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B, GSM, GPRS, EDGE and HSPA networks. Both chipsets include:
  • 1 GHz CPU
  • 600MHz DSP
  • Integrated 3G mobile broadband
  • Support for Wi-Fi
 
This was already posted once, but basically there's different quality Snapdragon chips, and they aren't underclocked just by Verizon or HTC, but are sold as slower chips. In simpler terms, they might not be stable if overclocked to 1 Ghz.

Maybe this was answered before, but then what are the model numbers for the slower processors?
 
This was already posted once, but basically there's different quality Snapdragon chips, and they aren't underclocked just by Verizon or HTC, but are sold as slower chips. In simpler terms, they might not be stable if overclocked to 1 Ghz.

The thing is, it's not listed as a Qualcomm product. The link in mandrew's post is just computer code. I'm not a programmer, but those settings look like the bios settings I play with when I oc my computer. Where is the product info on this inferior snapdragon?
 
Ok, then... carry on. If you can pay for college, you can take a shot at it. Her picture was in the paper for being in her college's opera, btw. She's an opera singer like her mother and father! :)


That sounds cool (the opera part), but I still have my own college to pay haha
 
As Mykpfsu pointed out earlier, what's the model number for this supposed 768MHz chip?

Great minds think alike. The only thing I can find is that the Acer Liquid runs at 768. But there is no mention about a different chip being used. Just a underclocked snapdragon. The code listed goes by frequency, of which there are 3, but not separate chips.
 
Great minds think alike. The only thing I can find is that the Acer Liquid runs at 768. But there is no mention about a different chip being used. Just a underclocked snapdragon. Yhr coe listed goes by frequency, of which there are 3, but not separate chips.

Yes, great minds do think alike :D I think you are spot on.
 
I think this is absolutely correct. After mandrew's post, I did some digging around, and can find nowhere where Qualcomm is making a 768MHz Snapdragon for sale to anyone. In fact, the only thing I could find was some speculation on a blog (same site that mandrew pulled his post from) that Qualcomm might sell snapdragon chips that fail to hold 1GHz during stability testing, at 768MHz to handset manufacturers at a discount. No source or link. Even if true, I doubt that Verizon would use a chip that has already failed to perform as originally spec'd, and thus proven to be defective, as the engine of their new flagship phone, notwithstanding what Acer may or may not have done.

Qualcomm does not list a 768MHz snapdragon on their product spec page. Notice that the above says 1GHz Processor? What is interesting is that for the 8x72, they used language that says "up to 1.5GHz." It's a fine distinction, but if they offered the 8x50 in other speeds, it would likely be worded the same, since the specs are listed on the same page. As Mykpfsu pointed out earlier, what's the model number for this supposed 768MHz chip?

All of the above being said, nothing would prevent a handset manufacturer from slowing down the processor via software for whatever reason. All I'm saying here is, IMHO, that if 768MHz is the final processor speed for this phone, one could most certainly root it, and oc it back to 1GHz.


i have been looking today also for a chip set that is the 768MHZ also and couldnt find one...

all i found where these

QSD8250 1ghz
QSD8650 1ghz
QSD8672 1.5ghz

i did find one thing on wikipedia that mentioned that Acer's liquid A1 used a snapdragon processor was UNDERCLOCKED to 768mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
 
Yes, great minds do think alike :D I think you are spot on.

What I wonder is if the code/output results listed is not 3 separate chips, but rather the same chip clocked at 3 different frequencies just like (as you said) you can over or under clock your computer (unless you're me then the damn thing just blows up). Heck there is mention in that code/output results of 384mhz. Is that a 4th chip?
 
A little perspective here. My 2+ year old XV6800 Windows Mobile phone has a 400 MHz processor, 64 MB of RAM (17 MB for OS) and 256 MB of Flash memory (106 MB for OS). It takes a few seconds to load up programs and some videos are jerky - some formats don't play at all - but overall it does whatever I want and I'm still finding new things I can do with it. A lot of people here have phones whose specs are a lot less robust. For me, even underclocked this will be a big leap as far as speed and memory. There will always be something new and better on the horizon; me, I think I could be happy with almost twice as fast, at least for now.
 
i have been looking today also for a chip set that is the 768MHZ also and couldnt find one...

all i found where these

QSD8250 1ghz
QSD8650 1ghz
QSD8672 1.5ghz

i did find one thing on wikipedia that mentioned that Acer's liquid A1 used a snapdragon processor was UNDERCLOCKED to 768mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)

That exactly what is said about the Acer no matter where you look. UNDERCLOCKED, not "slower snapdragon".
 
The thing is, it's not listed as a Qualcomm product. The link in mandrew's post is just computer code. I'm not a programmer, but those settings look like the bios settings I play with when I oc my computer. Where is the product info on this inferior snapdragon?

That is exactly it! A. there is no product info, B. if there was it wouldn't qualify as a Snapdragon since that title is reserved for the 1Ghz processor we are familiar with, C. Verizon does more thorough testing than AT&T or T-Mobile so it is pretty reasonable to assume they would never put a "failed" processor in a phone they are going to sell even if it performs perfectly at a lower level regardless of whether it is a flagship or not.

To read code talking about changing Mhz/Ghz from 768mhz to 998mhz to 1.27Ghz and then go off and spread misinformation about 3 versions of the Snapdragon is ridiculous.

Find us a credible source and cite it. Until then, save your info and present it when it holds weight.

EDIT: only the 1st paragraph applies to DroidAV8R as the rest was reserved for the person who posted the bad info about 3 versions of the Snapdragon.
 
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