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Yea, my mom gets a 20% USPS discount off the primary line. This discount doesn't apply to data plans though so that's the bummer and no go.

Discounts only apply to services $35 or more........im gonna have to go AT&T or Sprint.
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look on the bright side, at least you'll have the evo to look forward to.
 
SirLance99 said:
Third, unlike a corporate store, we do not take their name, hand them a number, make them wait in an expanded waiting room, and wait for who knows how long.
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Yeah, just to talk to someone who doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground and usually makes stuff up. That's what pisses me off. I wait and wait and they still don't have any idea about anything. That's why I don't go into Verizon stores any more -- last time I was there, they charged my wife a fee for buying a phone in the store.
 
Stevo_Cali said:
I don't think that site would have any announcements - someone said before (falls into line with what I kinda do sometimes when I'm designing/testing a site) that this is a staging are so they can test code live on the web, before migrating it over to the regular public facing site. Sometimes ya' gotta have it live to see everything properly, especially like with PHP, since I don't have a full LAMP stack installed on my lappy....
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I didn't mean they would officially announce it as I completely understand testing the site before making it public. The people at VZW know that people are watching testman and for them to be stupid enough to let that slip or be seen as their "official" (not really official that's why I used quotations) announcement is ludicrous.
 
pewpewbangbang said:
Yea, my mom gets a 20% USPS discount off the primary line. This discount doesn't apply to data plans though so that's the bummer and no go.

Discounts only apply to services $35 or more........im gonna have to go AT&T or Sprint.
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Thats interesting. I get a 26% discount on my primary line, plus 20% on all of the additional features including data. My phone discount varies by device. I would double check on the data discount.
 
mikewashere05 said:
Sure you can. When you use the internet you transmit a ton of information about your client (browser).

For example, in my HTTP header right now I have the following information: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6

Sure you can tweak your browser to represent a different client, but tethering alone is detectable.
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You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
 
appsmgr said:
I'm only guessing here, by I bet the individual MAC address is available in the data traffic. In addition, each device would probably have it's own unique subnet ip address, correct?

If so, then the carrier knows what MAC is registered to this acct, and they could probably see that multiple MAC's are sending/receiving data...

So, am I close? ;):)

Not a network expert by any stretch, just putting together bits of info discussed over time.
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MAC address is available on a local network, but isn't generally communicated via TCP/IP. The cell tower might still be able to grab it though.

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Sure you can. When you use the internet you transmit a ton of information about your client (browser).

For example, in my HTTP header right now I have the following information: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6) Gecko/20091201 Firefox/3.5.6

Sure you can tweak your browser to represent a different client, but tethering alone is detectable.
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SMRTguy said:
Thats interesting. I get a 26% discount on my primary line, plus 20% on all of the additional features including data. My phone discount varies by device. I would double check on the data discount.
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I get a 21% ( where did they come up with that number I don't know) off my entire bill and 25% off all accessories and phones- I think it just depends on what deal your employer works out w/ VZW
 
mikewashere05 said:
MAC address is available on a local network, but isn't generally communicated via TCP/IP. The cell tower might still be able to grab it though.

My previous post:
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You guys are hurting me here. The MAC address can't pass through a router, and what they have on a cell tower is what you'd think of as a router. There's no way to transmit the MAC address past a cell tower and "back home" to Verizon.

Experience: Building Cell Towers in Mexico.
 
TylerM said:
You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
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The biggest issue is the overhead. It's not cost effective to do packet-sniffing on all those packets. It would take an enormous amount of processing power to do that.
 
TylerM said:
You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
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"would have to be"

Customer Agreement

We may collect personal information about you. We may also gather some information through our relationship with you, such as information about the quantity, technical configuration, type, destination and amount of your use of our telecommunications services.
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But it doesn't matter, because if they thought you were using stupid amounts of bandwidth they wouldn't bother investigating and would just go ahead and kill your line:
We can, without notice, limit, suspend or end your Service or any agreement with you for any good cause
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TylerM said:
You are completely ignoring my point. 1: most 3rd party tethering clients don't show this information and 2: all traffic from each user would have to be monitored. They can't do this realistically because it's both illegal and even if they didn't care about legality the overhead is insane.
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Completely possible, and if VZW and other carriers follow suit with home ISP's like Comcast, they do this very thing today. Comcast is now counting all data passed through the network by USER. There's actually now a 250GB cap per month, they couldn't possibly enforce a cap, unless they are monitoring and counting each byte per account. So it's not so far fetched that they would be doing this very thing.

Uhh, not to sound confrontational, but what exactly do you call 'tethering' WITHOUT a 'tethering plan'? I would say that's at a minimum, YOUR breach of contract.:rolleyes:
 
TylerM said:
Experience: Building Cell Towers in Mexico.
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lol j/k :)
 
Sorry, but isnt whether or not someone can catch you tethering a litttttle off topic? :P
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kinda.. but we all want to know how to use the incredible speed of the incredible to tether while punishing VZW for making us wait.;)
 
Regarding the tethering thing...a friend of mine has a (jail broken) iPhone that he uses on T-mobile's network. He said he uses tethering all the time by establishing an SSH connection to his mac at home and then tunneling his HTTP traffic over that encrypted connection, so it isn't seen. I'm not sure how to do it though. Just thought I'd throw it out there.
 
kennyyu said:
is infomanager working for you guys?
https://infodoc.verizonwireless.com/Infomanager/Areas/Equipment/159210.htm
its telling me that i need to log into eroes again or something... Wasnt like this yesterday
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it said that last night for me but now it does not- lets me in when i click on the link but there is nothing new there at all. Do not know why I can and others can not :confused:. Now I have a little red IM next to the link that I had bookmarked- never signed in to anything. Very strange :confused:
 
Sisaacs said:
it said that last night for me but now it does not- lets me in when i click on the link but there is nothing new there at all. Do not know why I can and others can not :confused:. Now I have a little red IM next to the link that I had bookmarked- never signed in to anything. Very strange :confused:
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Yea its pretty weird. Also I checked testman and vzw site. Like a couple minutes ago it had a new layout. And on testman, the tabs on the bottom showed the droid, eris, b1g1, and something else, but now on testman, it won't even load the new layout i saw and doesnt show those ads
 
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