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On one hand, we have Google and others pushing devices with limited storage and no sd card expansion, along with the mighty cloud services to supposedly compensate for that, and on the other, a popular meme that people with reasonable needs are data hogs.

And who invented that meme?
 
Watching a movie, playing online roleplaying games, staying on FB all day are not reasonable needs.

There's been talk of getting heavy users to go off peak hours. Like I said - I don't feel I should have trouble connecting since all I want is 5 minutes to look up something, and that's all the data I might use for a month although I'm paying for more/1

Most of these people were actually yelling since their tethering got throttled. Some were using an old $2.99 grandfathered plan.

I'm not putting anything in any cloud as long as I can connect to the computer by USB.
 
EarlyMon said:
On one hand, we have Google and others pushing devices with limited storage and no sd card expansion, along with the mighty cloud services to supposedly compensate for that, and on the other, a popular meme that people with reasonable needs are data hogs.

And who invented that meme?
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The phone/data carriers, who (because they think like phone companies) never anticipated the growth of data usage, and want more profits, of course.

Years ago I bought a Sprint data card, and signed the original Sprint "unlimited" data plan contract at $69/mo. I never used close to $69 worth of data a month and eventually dropped the service. But I heard many stories from other Sprint data users who were angry because they had been dropped by Sprint "for using too much data". :rolleyes: Too much unlimited data? How does that work?

Amazing how flexible the definition of "no strings attached" can get when the shoe is on the other foot...
 
EarlyMon said:
I pay a hundred a month for unlimited everything, have for some time.

5 minutes a day of data is not reasonable.
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Why not? All I want to do is check on an astronomical event. That doesn't even take 5 minutes. Checking a sports score, looking up the dimensions of something like an appliance, checking all weather sources doesn't take five minutes. I also send MMS at times. That might total less than 50M per month. I also get a couple of coupons via email.

I had 4 lines on my account. I still have 3 although one is inactive and the Vulcan is voice only. (his choice) I'm paying less than that for the 3 lines. I won't use CDMA. We do have unlimited voice and text. I'm the only one that uses data. I far prefer the tablet or computer. Easier to type. Tablet is wifi only, though.
 
Speed Daemon said:
The phone/data carriers, who (because they think like phone companies) never anticipated the growth of data usage, and want more profits, of course.

Years ago I bought a Sprint data card, and signed the original Sprint "unlimited" data plan contract at $69/mo. I never used close to $69 worth of data a month and eventually dropped the service. But I heard many stories from other Sprint data users who were angry because they had been dropped by Sprint "for using too much data". :rolleyes: Too much unlimited data? How does that work?

Amazing how flexible the definition of "no strings attached" can get when the shoe is on the other foot...
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Because so often it's "unlimited*" or "no strings attached*"....Note the asterisk and closely study the associated small print.

e.g. * Unlimited data, billed at $10 per GB. * Unlimited data, subject to our 3GB per month fair usage policy. * No stings attached, but subject to our strings and terms and conditions.
 
Speed Daemon said:
The phone/data carriers, who (because they think like phone companies) never anticipated the growth of data usage, and want more profits, of course.

Years ago I bought a Sprint data card, and signed the original Sprint "unlimited" data plan contract at $69/mo. I never used close to $69 worth of data a month and eventually dropped the service. But I heard many stories from other Sprint data users who were angry because they had been dropped by Sprint "for using too much data". :rolleyes: Too much unlimited data? How does that work?

Amazing how flexible the definition of "no strings attached" can get when the shoe is on the other foot...
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Its all in the terms of service. If you abuse it and use 100s of GB of data in a month you're going to get dropped. Frankly I don't blame them.

Good luck getting anywhere near that usage from any other carrier. Sprint puts up with a lot of "abuse" before you get the boot.
 
Rxpert83 said:
Its all in the terms of service. If you abuse it and use 100s of GB of data in a month you're going to get dropped. Frankly I don't blame them.

Good luck getting anywhere near that usage from any other carrier. Sprint puts up with a lot of "abuse" before you get the boot.
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I'm not disputing that Sprint's army of lawyers have made certain that it doesn't cross the letter of the law. But the fact of the matter is that they're willfully misleading customers, and that is wrong. Cutting off people's service without any fair warning crosses the line IMO. To say that they deserve credit for being the least odious of the top four cellular carriers isn't much of a recommendation.

I'd rather have a data carrier that simply charges me extra if I go over my limit. Sprint's policies throw away customers forever, and that's bad for their customers and their shareholders.
 
EarlyMon said:
On one hand, we have Google and others pushing devices with limited storage and no sd card expansion, along with the mighty cloud services to supposedly compensate for that, and on the other, a popular meme that people with reasonable needs are data hogs.

And who invented that meme?
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I look at the TV, print and web ads. Carriers are pushing us to use as much data/bandwidth as we want. We see ads showing the FB/Twitter features, Internet features and several phones come with pre-loaded movies. We are told about the hundreds of apps available and we are encouraged to DL them.

Carriers push us to be "data hogs" and then punish us for doing what they apparently want us to do.

What am I missing here?

If I buy a device based upon those two words: unlimited data then I have every right to use as much data as I choose to use. I seldome use much data, but it is "unlimited." Up to a point.

Again, what am I missing?
 
Bob Maxey said:
I look at the TV, print and web ads. Carriers are pushing us to use as much data/bandwidth as we want. We see ads showing the FB/Twitter features, Internet features and several phones come with pre-loaded movies. We are told about the hundreds of apps available and we are encouraged to DL them.

Carriers push us to be "data hogs" and then punish us for doing what they apparently want us to do.

What am I missing here?

If I buy a device based upon those two words: unlimited data then I have every right to use as much data as I choose to use. I seldome use much data, but it is "unlimited." Up to a point.

Again, what am I missing?
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Exactly!
 
sprint is unlimited without restrictions... their commercials..

if i am using my phone.. and follow their rules... no tethering... all data used on my contracted device. and i use 100gb a month.. every F-ing month. they can not say anything! they can not cancel me! it is NOT right if they punish me.

*** note: i only use less than 3gb a month.
 
Here is one of the articles on Iphone usage:
59% of iPhone users spend more than $100 per month on carrier bills

I am assuming that those charges are for a single phone including subsidies.

Why so much aside from the subsidies? This article didn't break it down. Are Iphone users more into streaming or movies than Android or do they just accept and allow the phone every connection it wants?

This is good news:
http://news.techeye.net/mobile/apple-starts-to-lose-thermonuclear-war

It's like that bumper sticker with every religious symbol on it. COEXIST!!!

 
zuben el genub said:
Here is one of the articles on Iphone usage:
59% of iPhone users spend more than $100 per month on carrier bills

I am assuming that those charges are for a single phone including subsidies.

Why so much aside from the subsidies? This article didn't break it down. Are Iphone users more into streaming or movies than Android or do they just accept and allow the phone every connection it wants?

This is good news:
http://news.techeye.net/mobile/apple-starts-to-lose-thermonuclear-war

It's like that bumper sticker with every religious symbol on it. COEXIST!!!
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Carrier billing for apps could be an answer. I assume they're able to do that as well
 
zuben el genub said:
Here is one of the articles on Iphone usage:
59% of iPhone users spend more than $100 per month on carrier bills

I am assuming that those charges are for a single phone including subsidies.

Why so much aside from the subsidies? This article didn't break it down. Are Iphone users more into streaming or movies than Android or do they just accept and allow the phone every connection it wants?

This is good news:
Apple starts to lose thermonuclear war - Biggest waste of time | TechEye

It's like that bumper sticker with every religious symbol on it. COEXIST!!!
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This explains why carriers push the iPhone so hard; profit comes more from monthly bills than any single handset sold.
 
dan330 said:
sprint is unlimited without restrictions... their commercials..
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Yes, their commercials are deliberately misleading.

As I mentioned before, I used to be on their original "unlimited" plan, which was truly unlimited. And it gave customers recourse if Sprint tried to cheat.

The newer "unlimited" plan has fine-print disclaimers that belie what the TV commercials promise. It's one thing to use weasel words in advertising, but something altogether different to outright lie.

What's at the root of all of the cellular data plans is promoting the concept that people can get something for nothing. Obviously that's not going to happen, but there are enough suckers born every day to make ut useful for the phone companies. I'd prefer it if we just went to metered service and ended all the game-playing.
 
Like I said - they can darn well coexist for all of us that like choices.

It would have been fairly interesting had MS done a decent phone before Android. Apple would have really gone crazy since there was no way they could drive MS out of business or kill it.

There is something in every OS for everyone. There is no problem with each claiming to be the best as long as all systems accept the fact that they can't appeal to everyone. We have reasons for Android, others have reasons for Windows and Apple.

I wouldn't want to replace Apple. Quite a few like it, as they are entitled to. Mostly being discussed here are the business practices, some of which can be a little unethical although legal.

Where this is hurting others - Apple and the charges to carriers, plus its data usage forces the carrier to change policy on data, change price and availability.
Since it would be very unlikely a carrier could add a surcharge on the Iphones, all of us are affected.
 
If the Windows phone had been that decent, Android might not have gotten a foothold. Blackberry and Symbian were far better. BB at least had the security.
The UAE had got BB to relax security so they could monitor their own people or they would ban BB.

A lot of people at the time used Palm rather than CE PDAs. Palm had more going for it. Lots of medical apps were in use. That would still mean 2 devices. It took a long time for those apps to make it to another platform.

Not sure about CE, but you could get rid of a lot of stuff on a Palm.

I know you could tweak, don't know if it was close to rooting Symbian.
I found plenty of forums full of Symbian tweaker types.

Symbian and Nokia were all over. You couldn't destroy an older Nokia phone. It took a lot of punishment, so it was popular where you didn't have a distributor on every corner. Our 6085 is still going. That handset must be 7 years old by now. I'm not sure what OS the thing has.

Motorola had a couple of phones that were popular. Only downside was the software you needed to install and back up your own stuff. Motorola wanted $50 for the cord which Samsung and Nokia supplied for free along with the software. So did BB. Once you could use an SD card, things improved.
 
zuben el genub said:
BB at least had the security.
The UAE had got BB to relax security so they could monitor their own people or they would ban BB.
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And in the US, the government just cracked the encryption through brute force and/or monitored the data while it was unprotected.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Is it really fair to attack the OS for security choices made at the application level?
 
EarlyMon said:
I meant decent at the time.

The earlier statement was, _if_ MS had a decent phone before Android.

The question asked if they didn't.
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Windows CE was a PDA operating system that couldn't adapt to the real-time needs of smart phones. That failing did give the Linux kernel and Android a big foot in the door.
 
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