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Galaxy Nexus Watering Hole
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adjuster11
Well-Known Member
After You tubing it, I don't believe I was backing up the right way. It acted like it was, but wasn't doing any actual backing up. There is a couple of button in series, and I guess I dropped one of them because I didn't have a backup.
Got 4.2.2 running. I heard rumors that 4.3 may have data problems as Verizon isn't using any 4.3 phones yet, so I decided to stay old school.
Thanks for helping!
Got 4.2.2 running. I heard rumors that 4.3 may have data problems as Verizon isn't using any 4.3 phones yet, so I decided to stay old school.
Thanks for helping!
nj02vette
Android Expert
Been thinking about that myself. Kaat and I noticed it.
Hope all is well BB!
Cruise with the family.
halon
hakuna matata
After playing with MotoMaker i'm not impressed with what they have to offer. I'll either just go with black or white or go with the Developer Edition. It is being talked about as if they will offer it in 32gb on other carriers soon. If I were to do MotoMaker it would be in Pittsburg black&yellow to rep all 3 teams.
nj02vette
Android Expert
I'm no contract lawyer, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once.
The short answer, is Verizon (AT&T, Sprint and TMobile) can do whatever they want. What they do, and when they do it is completely up to them. We have no idea.
Longer answer:
In the Contract TOS, it states that they are allowed to modify the contract. Every single person has gotten those letters in the mail from their carrier, that contain a bunch of legalese and tossed them. But if you actually read them, it is a letter indicating that they have changed something to your contract. Your recourse is to do nothing to accept the changes, dispute, or disolve the contract.
So a quick example would be you just signed a contract for two years. 3 months in, you get a letter indicating that they are changing the wording on the contract (nothing substancial). You have every right to be able to cancel your contract with no ETF. Yes, that leaves you without service and a phone that basically won't work on many other carriers, but that is an option.
The carriers haven't yet gone down the route of something more insidius, such as changing the amount of service fees, or changing data caps, etc. While their TOS indicate that they could, plenty of lawyers would love to try a Class action on that. Class actions cost companies millions regardless of the decision, lawyers get rich while everyone else gets a $1 off coupon for Dairy Queen.
So what does this have to do with unlimited data?
Verizon, right now, could suspend unlimited data for everyone on contract. You have the right to either accept that change or stop service with no ETF penalty. This is a civil contract, not a legal one. You read that correctly. Today, if Verizon wanted to.......unlimited data would be gone.
So I don't put any stock into a magical June/July 2014 date either. Since Verizon's TOS clearly indicate that the terms of the contract are still enforced, even after the 2 year minimum contract period is up.
So what is different for them changing contract terms for someone who's 3 months into a (minimum) 2 year commitment or someone who's done the 2 years and both parties are still bound by the terms of the contract? The answer is nothing.
Most people get confused. The two year contract doesn't mean it's up after two years. It stays in effect indefinately. It means that you need to keep your service with them for a minimum of two years, which was the result of the subsidy. Or pay the ETF penalty.
So what stops them from killing it today? Ill will and bad press. How does that saying go? One bad story wipes out 10 years of good ones, or something like that. Very hard to repair damaged reputation, so they have a team of people who weigh all these decisions carefully.
So this part is pure educated guess and speculation on my part, based on what Verizon has done in the past.
Very soon, Verizon will offer a new batch of phones (perhaps with LTE-Advanced???). But these phones won't be compatible with the Unlimited data option, even if you purchased it a full price. So you'll be forced using an older phone, while newer models are available. Eventually you'll get tired, and upgrade and suck up the tiered data plans. Since the people here are the vocal enthusiasts who want the latest phones.
For the few straglers that don't upgrade, they are casual users who DGAF about contracts, or what phone they have, Verizon will let them know thier current contract/phone is no longer compatible with the "new" network offering and they will need to upgrade.
Eventually, all unlimited data will be dead.
Anyone remember the forced upgrades that got people off the old Bell Atlantic plans, then regional plans, then America's Choice, then.............
Guess I'm getting old.
MSUgEEk
Android Expert
On the phone with Moto again. Told my account shows expected delivery of the 27th but then in the very next sentence he said it would ship on the 28th or 29th.
I can't place an order for my wife's phone until mine gets in and I activate it because AT&T can't sell me a Moto X card on an added line to my account because it doesn't have any active lines on it yet (can't activate till mine gets in). With a 2 week turnaround from the pre-orders, my wife will probably be looking at 3 weeks or more! Ridiculous.
I can't place an order for my wife's phone until mine gets in and I activate it because AT&T can't sell me a Moto X card on an added line to my account because it doesn't have any active lines on it yet (can't activate till mine gets in). With a 2 week turnaround from the pre-orders, my wife will probably be looking at 3 weeks or more! Ridiculous.
nj02vette
Android Expert
^Sorry for the long post. Sitter called out sick, which means I had to call out sick from work and I'm sitting here waiting for a conference call.
So let me summarize that I don't think we'll see anything specific to kill unlimited data next year, just that new phones will be released that are incompatible with the new "network" and if you want one of those shiny new phones, then you'll have to accept a new plan and contract. Even if you bought one of those new phones outright, you wouldn't be able to activate it since Verizon will deem it incompatible.
So let me summarize that I don't think we'll see anything specific to kill unlimited data next year, just that new phones will be released that are incompatible with the new "network" and if you want one of those shiny new phones, then you'll have to accept a new plan and contract. Even if you bought one of those new phones outright, you wouldn't be able to activate it since Verizon will deem it incompatible.
nj02vette
Android Expert
Exactly.
VoLTE is an excellent candidate. I was thinking LTE-A myself, but either would work.
If you want a new LTE-A phone, be prepared to accept a new contract. And unlimited won't be part of that.
But I don't think Verizon will kill unlimited data for anyone, even if they are past their 2 year window. They'll spin it so you'll have to upgrade.
MSUgEEk
Android Expert
I think you missed the point of my post. If unlimited customers want out of their contract right now, they have to pay an ETF. If Verizon kills unlimited, they pay no ETF. This is why they will wait till the current crop of unlimited users run out of contract. Then if they lose them, they at least either got an ETF out of them or a full 2 year contract. It's not about the contract as much as it is the ETF and the subsidized pricing they make up because of it or the fullfilling of a full 2 years of service.
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
Sprint's going to have a hard time weaseling their way out from under these new plans that they are promising unlimited data "for life" as they put it.
nj02vette
Android Expert
Entirely possible, and you may be correct.
I'm just saying that's not the way Verizon has done this in the past. Past behavior is no indication of future behavior though. What they'll really do is anyone's guess.
My bet is to follow the money. What option lets them maximize profits and customer retension? They sure don't want defections to T-Mobile or Sprint.
nj02vette
Android Expert
For life.
Who's life? Or is it the contract life (which they are free to modify)? The company's life (since they were just bought)? Or perhaps since they were bought by a Japenese firm, ninja hit squads will be employed.
Devil's in the details. Pretty sure there's a way out.
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
I don't think the pricing scheme for phones is broke, is the pricing for wireless service. Talk to any of the folk on here from Europe and it becomes apparent how bad we're getting hosed.
jhawkkw
Chinchillin'
For life.
Who's life? Or is it the contract life (which they are free to modify)? The company's life (since they were just bought)? Or perhaps since they were bought by a Japenese firm, ninja hit squads will be employed.
Devil's in the details. Pretty sure there's a way out.
I'm not a Sprint customer, so I'm not sure on the full details. My personal feeling is that their going to eliminate new sign ups for unlimited data in the near future, and create a similar grandfather like situation. They're making it sound like the life of the line of service, but I'd have to read the TOS thoroughly to see for myself. But I think that as long as there's a giant gap in number of subscribers in the Verizon & AT&T duopoly with the rest of the competition, they'll have to offer something to attract customers.
nj02vette
Android Expert
True.
On unrelated note, I'm thinking the following phones for upgrade.
LG G2
Moto X
Nexus 5
Probably wait until the Nexus 5 gets released before I make a decision.
Moto X completely underwelms on paper, but reviews have been decent. Google/Moto software seems a plus.
LG G2 looks to destroy everything else out there on paper, but the LG bloatware crap hurts it. Would only consider it if enough dev support and stock ROMs available.
Nexus 5 have no idea about, if it even will be released, who's making it, will it work on Verizon, reduced specs for low price? No clue.
And Verizon compatibility isn't the lock it used to be. One look at my phone bill and I need to consider other options.
nj02vette
Android Expert
I've seen other systems that used the headphone cable as the FM antenna.
If I remember correctly, the Droid X FM tuner required you to use headphones to get good reception.
MSUgEEk
Android Expert
You are correct, but there still had to be some sort of connection from the headphone jack to the motherboard (and the chip) for that to happen. You would think that would be advertised if that was a feature they intended on working.