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Rico ANDROID said:
A couple of things that has not been my fav with android: the latest updates stripping lots of features that weve come to love. The decision to move to "2-dimension 1950s looking flat graphics.....youd think 21st century technology could (and can) handle glossy graphics but choose to let cell phones greedy tiered data gimics dictate regressing to old looking graphics from yesteryear. Google really turning into "apple" with so many lockdowns like the latest devices cant be rooted "out-of-the-box) and Scroogle's outright intention and succeeding in scrambliny sdcards with 4.4 and later OS upgrades without forewarning or allowing unrooted customers the option to want the massively changing upgrade versions.

If apple ever open up customizations comparable to Googles Good Ole Days and provide sdcard expansion options...all that Google has begun to restrict.......i may "consider" bailing out and rolling around on Job's...
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I agree, these companies are not our friends, they simply offer us a choice of products.

If you want advanced tech, buy from whomever is offering the most advanced in the areas you care about, definitely.

PS - the latest unrestricted devices can still be rooted out of the box and many models still offer sd card support. HTC learned their lesson in lost sales after trying the Google way and brought them back.
 
EarlyMon said:
People centric rather than app centric operation, introduced to the Nexus in ICS, more than two and a half years after HTC Sense 1 already had it.

Quick settings in the status bar, introduced to the Nexus in Jellybean, more than a year after it was a standard feature in HTC Sense 3.

Actual Exchange ActiveSync support, built in to HTC Sense Mail for years, still accommodated by an IMAP workaround on the Nexus Gmail. None of the Play Store apps really do as well at this, this is a benefit from HTC being the major Windows phone maker years ago.

Google camera app - yeah. No. No kidding, it's so far behind it's not funny.

Actual FM radio that uses zero data and barely sips at your battery - nonexistent on the Nexus.

SD card expansion - nonexistent on the Nexus.

User replaceable battery - nonexistent on the Nexus.

First phone with a front facing camera - HTC (and no, not the iPhone either on that).

Nexus 6 gets front facing speakers, 2014. HTC had that years ago, reintroduced and made popular in 2013.

If you want a lighter rom with the fastest Android updates, get the Nexus.

But the tradeoff from the "crappy skins" is that you're missing features that you either have to wait for Google to "invent" or increase your software stack size with more add on apps until you're sucking the same resources as a "crappy skin" version of Android - because there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. That or do without the features and wait.

Android is all about choice.

Just because you can't relate to another choice doesn't make it crappy. :D :D

Fwiw, I planned to get the Nexus 6 but was forced to get another HTC for the second phone due to some jerk ripping off the old one before the N6 came out. So I have nothing against the Nexus and have generally liked them. But I'm not kidding myself that they have any more pixie dust built-in than any other Android. :D
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I gotta say that updating my t.e.d.6 to LIQUIDSMOOTH 3.2 Android 4.4.4 has got my baby flyiny so fast with no glitches or freezes. I did have to install an sdcard fix, Ive managed to get a version of the camera to work again, but is deciding to not update later versions of certain apps from "The Market" due to drastic layout changes i dont like in the updated-alerted app's ui and how some apps are tying into this "google setting" app that pulls in my accouny info into some apps that i do not wish to share.

BUT @LIQUIDSMOOTH 3.2 has a setting that lets you Modify more than the "enable/disable" app. It lets you go to the per permission level and turn off detail permissions.
 
My question to the OP is for him to post "what he's looking for" in his device. if the pro's stack on apples' side then his mind's made up and no point convincing anything. If his wish-list leans toward what android offers......well....hes convinced himself...
 
EarlyMon said:
People centric rather than app centric operation, introduced to the Nexus in ICS, more than two and a half years after HTC Sense 1 already had it. Called bloatware by Nexus fans until Google "invented" it.

Quick settings in the status bar, introduced to the Nexus in Jellybean, more than a year after it was a standard feature in HTC Sense 3. Called bloatware by Nexus fans until Google "invented" it.

Actual Exchange ActiveSync support, built in to HTC Sense Mail for years, still accommodated by an IMAP workaround on the Nexus Gmail. None of the Play Store apps really do as well at this, this is a benefit from HTC being the major Windows phone maker years ago.

Google camera app - yeah. No. No kidding, it's so far behind it's not funny.

Actual FM radio that uses zero data and barely sips at your battery - nonexistent on the Nexus. Believed to be useless by every hard core Nexus fan because streaming radio is better.

SD card expansion - nonexistent on the Nexus. You don't need it, how dare you carry around that much storage, seems to be the standard battle cry.

User replaceable battery - nonexistent on the Nexus.

First phone with a front facing camera - HTC (and no, not the iPhone either on that).

Nexus 6 gets front facing speakers, 2014. HTC had that years ago, reintroduced and made popular in 2013.

If you want a lighter rom with the fastest Android updates, get the Nexus.

But the tradeoff from the "crappy skins" is that you're missing features that you either have to wait for Google to "invent" or increase your software stack size with more add on apps until you're sucking the same resources as a "crappy skin" version of Android - because there ain't no such thing as a free lunch. That or do without the features and wait.

Android is all about choice.

Just because you can't relate to another choice doesn't make it crappy. :D :D

Fwiw, I planned to get the Nexus 6 but was forced to get another HTC for the second phone due to some jerk ripping off the old one before the N6 came out. So I have nothing against the Nexus and have generally liked them. But I'm not kidding myself that they have any more pixie dust built-in than any other Android. :D
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Sigh, I did say imo. I personally think someone coming over to android from ios should go the nexus route. Fast updates, smooth/no lag, cleaner interface etc. I've experienced lag/choppy animations on so called high end devices from htc and samsung, and if someone was coming from an iphone, i think they'd be disappointed with that. But like i said, that's my opinion, and I know people who love their HTC's and Samsung's. I've also read people saying the nexus 5 is the worst phone ever, whereas it's been the best phone I've ever owned.

Basically to the OP, whatever phone you decide to get, make sure it's high end, and not some £50 piece of shit expecting it to perform like an iphone, and think that's a true representation of android. I think we can all agree on that?! :-P
 
Omar Days said:
Sigh, I did say imo. I personally think someone coming over to android from ios should go the nexus route. Fast updates, smooth/no lag, cleaner interface etc. I've experienced lag/choppy animations on so called high end devices from htc and samsung, and if someone was coming from an iphone, i think they'd be disappointed with that. But like i said, that's my opinion, and I know people who love their HTC's and Samsung's. I've also read people saying the nexus 5 is the worst phone ever, whereas it's been the best phone I've ever owned.
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Nah, not disrespecting you, just bored and ranting my own opinions. We can disagree on minutiae and still be buds ok. :D

I agree that it took a while for skinned Androids to get the processor and ram resources built-in to really operate well. I also agree that too much of a good thing is not the answer and adding to an already large software stack just because you got enough hardware to support last year's stack is really design stupidity in favor of marketing.

Lag seems to still be debated in most of the new phone forums today, except for the M8 - but maybe we haven't heard from everyone. Ours seem as snappy as all get out, but in the past to get that performance, I had to turn to custom roms including AOSP and CM types. (I actually ran a true AOSP rom a year back, not CM, AOKP or the others that are colloquially called AOSP.) But come the work week, I always moved back to the more featureful stack.

It's the number one meme against Android and in favor of the iPhone. However the truth is very different. Every time I watch an iPhone user go from function A to function B, without exception, they go very quickly and bounce through screens like buttered lightning. When I ask about why they brought up some apps that had nothing to do with what I asked for the answer is invariably - "Well, you know, I have a lot of apps and it takes a second."

And that's the one button mouse pain I keep going on about. I have yet to accidentally waste time going to wrong places first getting from point A to point B.

So when we talk about lag I think it's fair to separate hardware lag, OS lag and design lag. For all of the youtubes proving how fast the iPhone is, it's saddled with design lag that far outstrips the nuances that everyone focuses on.

Simply put, I can get more done more quickly on my phone, always have, because I've had decreasing design lag with increasing hardware resources as time has progressed.

The iPhone and its users no longer live behind the walled garden.

Let me be the first to call it and start the new meme -

The iPhone and its users now live in the painted corner.

Yeah, it looks really colorful and shiny from there. But it's still in the corner ok. And the only thing that anyone has to do to get out of the corner is to be brave enough to walk through the wet paint.

Get out of the corner, there's a whole world out here.

You have nothing to lose but your one button mouse.

Btw, fwiw I agree with you, I rate the Nexus 5 as an epic device as well.
 
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jammychap said:
Also am I right in thinking you can get an app to use iTunes on Android?
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Not exactly. Sort of.

You can get apps that will sync your iTunes on Android and then choose to enjoy your media with any number of players that you prefer.

You can also get apps to send your media to AirPlay (Apple TV) and to your iTunes / WMP environment if you're into that on Windows.

Early this year, Apple commented that they were interested in rolling out iTunes for Android but I haven't heard back on that yet.

Apple was always a hardware company that made software to sell the hardware.

But their media sales has become a real cash cow for them so it might make sense that they would want to tap into the Android market.

Anyway, if you enjoy iTunes there are ways to integrate your media with Android.
 
EarlyMon said:
Nah, not disrespecting you, just bored and ranting my own opinions. We can disagree on minutiae and still be buds ok. :D

I agree that it took a while for skinned Androids to get the processor and ram resources built-in to really operate well. I also agree that too much of a good thing is not the answer and adding to an already large software stack just because you got enough hardware to support last year's stack is really design stupidity in favor of marketing.

Lag seems to still be debated in most of the new phone forums today, except for the M8 - but maybe we haven't heard from everyone. Ours seem as snappy as all get out, but in the past to get that performance, I had to turn to custom roms including AOSP and CM types. (I actually ran a true AOSP rom a year back, not CM, AOKP or the others that are colloquially called AOSP.) But come the work week, I always moved back to the more featureful stack.

It's the number one meme against Android and in favor of the iPhone. However the truth is very different. Every time I watch an iPhone user go from function A to function B, without exception, they go very quickly and bounce through screens like buttered lightning. When I ask about why they brought up some apps that had nothing to do with what I asked for the answer is invariably - "Well, you know, I have a lot of apps and it takes a second."

And that's the one button mouse pain I keep going on about. I have yet to accidentally waste time going to wrong places first getting from point A to point B.

So when we talk about lag I think it's fair to separate hardware lag, OS lag and design lag. For all of the youtubes proving how fast the iPhone is, it's saddled with design lag that far outstrips the nuances that everyone focuses on.

Simply put, I can get more done more quickly on my phone, always have, because I've had decreasing design lag with increasing hardware resources as time has progressed.

The iPhone and its users no longer live behind the walled garden.

Let me be the first to call it and start the new meme -

The iPhone and its users now live in the painted corner.

Yeah, it looks really colorful and shiny from there. But it's still in the corner ok. And the only thing that anyone has to do to get out of the corner is to be brave enough to walk through the wet paint.

Get out of the corner, there's a whole world out here.

Btw, fwiw I agree with you, I rate the Nexus 5 as an epic device as well.
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Great post. Totally agree with you on the design and os lag!

And hey, all buds here!
 
Another way to try out android without any risk would be to go to a store with a good return policy and get a mid to high end tablet and try it out. I've done this with Walmart a couple times. As long as it is in new condition you can return it just cause you don't like it. I think they give you two weeks to return it if you're not satisfied. It may be 30 days but I think it is two weeks. There may be other stores that do this too just find out what their return policy is. The android user experience is pretty much the same with phones and tablets other than the screen size.
 
Well that's pretty cool I didn't know that. I was just thinking that the big retail stores have some really good tablets and that it would be a good way to try out android in general. I wasn't saying to go to Walmart and buy a $100 tablet and base your whole opinion on that alone. I didn't mention any other retailers specifically cause I don't know their return policies.
 
Yeah, Best Buy seems pretty cool that way. Take it back within 3 days and not only do they give you a full refund, they refund your activation fee if you were buying an on-contract upgrade.

I'm not a big fan of Best Buy, but I am for phones lol.
 
I really like this discussion because i was getting "dis-simgruntled" with googles 4.4 that "said" my device was no longer rooted.....then i found the perfect app to "repair" my sccard that re-inserted a permission line in a system file. So the workaround saved my and my t.e.d.6 love affair!. So me and my last name are friends again!

Speaking of testing out a tablet as a good option for an Iphone-converted-to-a-fellow new androdianite, which tablet would provide calling feature similar to dialing from an ipad? And does any android tablet have sdcard slots?
 
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EarlyMon said:
Not exactly. Sort of.

You can get apps that will sync your iTunes on Android and then choose to enjoy your media with any number of players that you prefer.

You can also get apps to send your media to AirPlay (Apple TV) and to your iTunes / WMP environment if you're into that on Windows.

Early this year, Apple commented that they were interested in rolling out iTunes for Android but I haven't heard back on that yet.

Apple was always a hardware company that made software to sell the hardware.

But their media sales has become a real cash cow for them so it might make sense that they would want to tap into the Android market.

Anyway, if you enjoy iTunes there are ways to integrate your media with Android.
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Personally I think apple rolling out iTunes for Android will be the death on iPhone, I think a lot of people hang onto their iphone because of all the music they have purchased.
 
SuperJimbo said:
Hey Guys,
So, my 24 month contract is going to end soon and that means i'll be upgrading a new contract soon (1gb of internet is not enough.), this would include upgrading to a new phone. I've been using my iPhone 4S for almost 2 years now and at the time i bought it, the iPhone 5 was already out. I've never had any problems with my iPhone 4S except with those that come with a lack of storage (16gb isn't enough). I've dropped my Phone so many times and its screen never even as much as cracked. The Wifi did break once, but apple replaced my phone while in a foreign country on the same day! I've never felt like i was missing any features with my iPhone. I enjoy the convenience of iTunes. I've even subscribed to iTunes match which allows me to have all my music including CD's and non iTunes purchased stuff to be on my Macbook and Windows PC at the same time without any hastle.
Recently i was browsing through the local phone store and the Sony Xperia Z3 appealed to me.

The way i see it at the moment is: iOS has less features but is much sleaker and simpler. Android has more features but is less simple and less sleak. With iPhone however, i've never felt like i was missing out on any useful features.
At the moment i see 2 options:

Option 1: Upgrade to the iPhone 6
This would mean that i can keep using iTunes and the OS i am familiar with. It would also allow me to keep all the Apps i purchased.

Option 2: Switch to an android.
This would mean that i would have to step out of my comfort zone. It would also mean i would lose all my Apps and have to go through the tedious process of switching everything to Google. It would also mean i lose the convenience that iTunes offers me. (i heard you can't use Android with Macs. Is this true?)

It would be great if you guys could help me out with my indecision as this is a 2 year commitment for me and i want to be sure to make the right purchase.

Your guys's job is to convince me why i'm missing out on android and why i should go through the hastle of switching to it from Apple..

Kind regards and thanks in advance,
SuperJimbo
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Android is open source, so you can modify it to your liking. They wont' get mad about it. It is way faster and reliable. There is more choices, whether you looking for something fast, large, small, slim, curved, etc. There ought to be ONE that fits u operfectly. There is also phones for every budget type. iPhones are all exactly the same and all the same expensive price. Another thing is android comes loaded with features. the S5 has a heart beat monitor as an example and Samsung and LG have IR blasters (for changiunf tv channels).
One last thing is Android is very customizable. There's more than just Google's stock "AOSP". There is CyanogenMod, AOKP, Paranoid, and many more. They all have unique features. And all of their kernels can be over or underclocked for performance or battery saving.
That is just my 12 cents lol. I despise Apple and everything about it though but thats just me,. I am a diehard Android fanatic and I love its Open-sourceness
 
SuperJimbo said:
Hey Guys,
So, my 24 month contract is going to end soon and that means i'll be upgrading a new contract soon (1gb of internet is not enough.), this would include upgrading to a new phone. I've been using my iPhone 4S for almost 2 years now and at the time i bought it, the iPhone 5 was already out. I've never had any problems with my iPhone 4S except with those that come with a lack of storage (16gb isn't enough). I've dropped my Phone so many times and its screen never even as much as cracked. The Wifi did break once, but apple replaced my phone while in a foreign country on the same day! I've never felt like i was missing any features with my iPhone. I enjoy the convenience of iTunes. I've even subscribed to iTunes match which allows me to have all my music including CD's and non iTunes purchased stuff to be on my Macbook and Windows PC at the same time without any hastle.
Recently i was browsing through the local phone store and the Sony Xperia Z3 appealed to me.

The way i see it at the moment is: iOS has less features but is much sleaker and simpler. Android has more features but is less simple and less sleak. With iPhone however, i've never felt like i was missing out on any useful features.
At the moment i see 2 options:

Option 1: Upgrade to the iPhone 6
This would mean that i can keep using iTunes and the OS i am familiar with. It would also allow me to keep all the Apps i purchased.

Option 2: Switch to an android.
This would mean that i would have to step out of my comfort zone. It would also mean i would lose all my Apps and have to go through the tedious process of switching everything to Google. It would also mean i lose the convenience that iTunes offers me. (i heard you can't use Android with Macs. Is this true?)

It would be great if you guys could help me out with my indecision as this is a 2 year commitment for me and i want to be sure to make the right purchase.

Your guys's job is to convince me why i'm missing out on android and why i should go through the hastle of switching to it from Apple..

Kind regards and thanks in advance,
SuperJimbo
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If you're gonna get an Android phone, DON'T GET A SAMSUNG! So buggy, slow, and ugly.

Get either the sony or the htc one m8, I'd go for the m8 though since it gets faster updates than any other android phone that is not a Nexus, and it's very nice looking :)
 
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