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Sar values Galaxy s5

Boudicca

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Hi,
I have just bought a Galaxy s5 as I read that they have low Sar values. I am in Europe. My user manual says that the Sar value is reasonably low (0.59) BUT I noticed on their website that in the US it is higher than the allowed levels (1.16) at 1.20! That is really high!
Why is this does anyone know?
 
Hi,
I have just bought a Galaxy s5 as I read that they have low Sar values. I am in Europe. My user manual says that the Sar value is reasonably low (0.59) BUT I noticed on their website that in the US it is higher than the allowed levels (1.16) at 1.20! That is really high!
Why is this does anyone know?

Down to different methods of testing. See the SAR ratings in this link. It shows both Europe and US ratings. Same with the iPhone 6 Plus, here, (which at 1.19 doesn't appear to pass the U.S. rating level).

See, also, Specific absorption rate
 
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Hi,
So if they use different methods of testing then is the European version technically also 1.20?
The reason I got a Samsung in part was because of the low Sar values of their phones which is all over the Internet...
 
Hi,
I couldn't see the Sar values on the first link you gave :(

Under the sub heading, "MISC".

but if they use different methods of testing then is the European version technically also 1.20?
The reason I got a Samsung in part was because of the low Sar values of their phones which is all over the Internet...

Who says the U.S. measurement is correct. The S5, G900F, as per the first link, is shown as SAR US = 1.20 and SAR EU = 0.56

The iPhone is SAR US = 1.19 and SAR EU = 0.99.

If in doubt, use a bluetooth earpiece.
 
Not as much of a difference between the iphone values compared to the s5 though!! There must be a reason why...considering I have to have my phone on me constantly for work and a bag isn't an option I thought I was buying something quite low on Sar but this makes me doubt Samsung (unless someone can tell me different) I don't see how it can be a difference in testing methods alone...
 
As this next link explains, the SAR level for the US is averaged out over only 1 g of tissue whilst the European standard is averaged out over 10 g of tissue...

Difference Between SAR Australia and SAR US and SAR Europe

"The point to be remembered is that the handset has a SAR value well below that is prescribed in the country has no relation with its ill effects on human health and just because the phone you are using has a SAR value in conformity with the standard set in your country is no guarantee of cell phone being absolutely safe for your health."
 
Thanks. So the European levels are considerably lower...if the US used their standards then they would equate to 16.0 W/k across 10 grams of mass tissue?
 
I think the whole subject is over thought.

I have been a ham radio operator since 1958, we have been using high wattage two way radios forever, and none of us have died from radiation poisoning yet... and that includes just about all of the common frequency ranges up to 450 mhz and even higher...

The wattage output of a cellphone is so minuscule in comparison, IMO there is nothing to worry about.
I sure don't. I keep my phone in my shirt pocket all the time, and my internal ticker has never noticed it one whit.

Some of our Ham buddies have run 1,000 watt transmitters in their cars, with the antennas mounted on the bumpers.... that means the radiation is head high mostly for the lower bands below 28 mHz, the antennas are on the roof for 50 mHz and up.
 
Thanks for the replies...my issue is not so much with me but the fact that as a female if I get pregnant what effect would having this phone in my back pocket have on my kid? I am in a job where I have to have my phone on me for 6 hours per day and don't fancy having a kid that glows in the dark lol what's the safest way of keeping a phone with you if a bag isn't an option?
 
Thanks for the replies...my issue is not so much with me but the fact that as a female if I get pregnant what effect would having this phone in my back pocket have on my kid? I am in a job where I have to have my phone on me for 6 hours per day and don't fancy having a kid that glows in the dark lol what's the safest way of keeping a phone with you if a bag isn't an option?

Right, I understand your concerns now. Best advice to allay your fears is to carry your phone in your handbag inside a radiation protective case, away from your body, and to use an airtube headset.

For pregnancy advice... please post below! ;)
 
I've been a ham operator for a long time as well, although not quite as long as my fellow ham AZ. ;)
I'm also not that terribly concerned about the RF exposure, although I'm not exactly as cavalier about it as he appears to be.
There are many factors involved with this including the operating frequency (ham equipment can be anywhere from around 1 MHz to 1300 MHz, phones range from 700-2100 MHz), transmitter output, mode of transmission (digital vs. analog), and so on. Some frequencies are more readily absorbed by body tissue.
One reason I don't keep the phone in a pants pocket and always use a belt holster is to keep the RF away from the reproductive bits, although it also has to do with convenience and protecting the phone from other stuff in the pockets. The way that RF field density works, it falls off logarithmically with distance so keeping it just a couple of inches away from the body makes a significant difference.
And all that said, with the phone in standby it's not constantly transmitting anyway, just an occasional ping to the tower and only a constant signal if a call comes in. It's while you're in a call that it is radiating the most and then you're probably holding it in your hand (against your head). During the call you can hold the lower part of the phone away from your face and just have the speaker against your ear, the antenna is usually at the bottom rear of the phone and this will keep it further away.
But the bottom line with our phones is that the transmitter power they run is relatively low, the maximum output of a phone is about 1/2 watt. One thing you can be aware of is the signal level of the tower you are connected to, the way the system works is that the stronger the tower the less power the phone will use. So if you're near a strong tower with full bars your phone will only be putting out a small fraction of its maximum, probably just a few milliwatts. This is better for you and also for the phone as it will use less battery.
 
I should have said that when the phone rings, I say "hello, wait a sec, gotta turn on my BT headset........ then I don my Blue Parrott trucker's headset and lay the phone down on the table.
 
I should have said that when the phone rings, I say "hello, wait a sec, gotta turn on my BT headset........ then I don my Blue Parrott trucker's headset and lay the phone down on the table.

Right, so now you've got the 2.4GHz BT signal going into your ear. ;)
Although, it is a much weaker signal compared to the phone.

Heck, we're getting blasted with RF from all over anyway, the average person doesn't have access to a spectrum analyzer or service monitor but if they did everyone would be amazed (or freaked out) at how much is floating around on all the bands. Just put WiFi Analyzer on your phone and turn it on just about anywhere, and you'll see that no matter where you are you're being bombarded by WiFi signals. And that's just WiFi in the 2.4 and 5G spectrums, there's plenty more.
But if it was really that bad for us we'd all be dead by now.
 
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As a matter of fact, I do have a Spectrum Analyzer out in my shop....
it hasn't been turned on in 15 years....

now that is a thought. It is made to show Reflected Waves in a wave guide..... wonder if I can get it to see the cellphone?
 
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