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1984, Orwell, police state, etc

chrlswltrs

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Everything the government is doing as far as spying on citizens, indefinite detention without charge or trial, drone strikes, martial law (in effect in Boston while searching for the "bomber"), gun confiscation, secret presidential kill list with no oversight (including US citizens on US soil), etc is all "legal" according to the government. Everyone needs to remember that everything the Nazis did in Germany was also "legal" when they did it... When will enough citizens wake up to change what has become of our government??? Will it all be too late when the only redemption is for the tree of liberty to be watered with blood (the words of the founding fathers), or can we make a political change before it is too late?

I've seen some polls where apparently the dumbed down population is okay with giving up all privacy to "feel" a little safer. All I have to say to that is "Those that would give up some liberty for temporary security will have neither"
 
Sadly, I must agree.

Under the former 1989 Guidelines, the FBI first had to obtain evidence suggesting some kind of criminal activity before its agents could begin investigating. Under the FBI's new May 30, 2002 revised Guidelines, FBI agents are authorized to carry out "general topical research" and retain files on this research. Specifically, agents may conduct "online searches" and visit "online sites and forums as part of such research."
 
we are all part of the system, that just how it works. You may move to other country and start fresh. But lets be serious, how many people you know who left country for beatiful views where you have no utilities, phone cable or internet.
 
.. martial law (in effect in Boston while searching for the "bomber"), gun confiscation, secret presidential kill list with no oversight (including US citizens on US soil ..

Don't think these particular examples are actually true, but the broad point is valid.

One of the many issues with democracy: people often vote for really dumb stuff and against really good stuff (e.g. gun regulation ;)). Another similarity with 1930s Germany (and Italy and Spain ..): if the lie is big enough, repeated often enough and if it feeds into existing prejudices, enough people will believe it.

To paraphrase Churchill, democracy is the worst form of government - apart from all the others.
 
Don't think these particular examples are actually true, but the broad point is valid.

One of the many issues with democracy: people often vote for really dumb stuff and against really good stuff (e.g. gun regulation ;)). Another similarity with 1930s Germany (and Italy and Spain ..): if the lie is big enough, repeated often enough and if it feeds into existing prejudices, enough people will believe it.

To paraphrase Churchill, democracy is the worst form of government - apart from all the others.

Actually they are very true. There are plenty of videos on YouTube of people being ripped from their home at gun point and police everywhere pointing their rifles at innocent people while they were looking for the bomber.

The White House has admitted that the president has a kill list with no oversight.

There is active gun confiscation going on in both New York and California.

Just because you haven't heard about it because it isn't on mainstream news doesn't mean it isn't true, or very hard to find out it is true for yourself if you care to do a quick google search.
 
It's a New World Order, meaning this has been put into place since the early 1900s and it's heading for an International Police State.

This is not new or started to happen since the 2000s!

We know that the beginning stages of a police state exist in the United States when:
1. A leader is brought into power through illegal means
2. A national catastrophe is used as the pretext to begin a war and institute extraordinary restrictions on constitutional liberties
3. Citizen dissent is held to be treasonous
4. The constitutional separation of powers is abrogated by a power-mad executive branch which controls or intimidates the other two branches of government
 
It's a New World Order, meaning this has been put into place since the early 1900s and it's heading for an International Police State.

This is not new or started to happen since the 2000s!

We know that the beginning stages of a police state exist in the United States when:
1. A leader is brought into power through illegal means
2. A national catastrophe is used as the pretext to begin a war and institute extraordinary restrictions on constitutional liberties
3. Citizen dissent is held to be treasonous
4. The constitutional separation of powers is abrogated by a power-mad executive branch which controls or intimidates the other two branches of government

Points 1, 2 and 4 are a pretty fair and accurate description of what happened.

I don't know what you're referring to 3 - it does kinda fit neatly into the trend described in the other points, though.

Not sure I'd go quite as far as saying that all means a police state exists in the US - yet. I'd personally liken it more to the MCarthyism frenzy of the 50s - just with better technology.
 
The US has been a Corporate Police State for a long time.

Do a search on Operation Mockingbird. You will find that most MSM are subsidiaries of the CIA.
 
Look up operation Northwoods. Declassified documents of our own government planning terror attacks against us to accomplish an agenda...

People don't like facts like that though ever since the CIA coined the term "conspiracy theorist" and made it out to be a bad thing. That is why things are moving so bad so quick, because it's just a "conspiracy theory" until the government admits it when it's too late to change easily.
 
Do I think the government overreaches into our privacy?

Sure I do.

Am I worried about it? Hell no.

Why?

Because our "government's" too damn stupid. They have terminally Peter Principled themselves out.

Let's look at the FBI.

The American flight instructors for the 911 bombers called the FBI way ahead of time and said, "Hey, this is really weird. These guys don't want to learn how to take off or land an airliner. They only want us to teach them to fly one straight and level. You need to check these people out." The FBI was too damn afraid of encroaching on these non-resident Egyptian citizens rights and Would Not get the warrant to look at their computers where they would have found Everything they needed to stop the attack.

The shoe bombers Uncle called the FBI way before the flight and said, "I'm pretty sure my nephew is a terrorist and he is a radical Islamic convert." The FBI didn't do a damn thing.

The Rooskies on two separate occasions told our government the Boston bomber was TROUBLE and needed to be checked out. The FBI even INTERVIEWED the bomber and couldn't figure it out. Worse yet, they never even bothered to turn the info they DID have over to the Boston PD once the search was really on.

Though they get lucky now and then, our "government" can't use all this data to consistently find a terrorist if they sat on the government's lap, whispered "Allah Akbar" into their ear and frenched kiss them. :rolleyes:

Me, an innocent citizen be worried?

Uhh, that would be a no.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
 

Well he was interfering with the Free Enterprise, as the Mob got kicked out of the gambling/prostitution industry in Cuba and as the FBI, CIA and Free Enterprise had common cause its a wonder he lasted 2 1/2 years after that speech.

The BBC had a 2 hour show that raises a few points: The Killing of President Kennedy (very rare 1978 BBC documentary) - YouTube
 
Look up operation Northwoods. Declassified documents of our own government planning terror attacks against us to accomplish an agenda...

People don't like facts like that though ever since the CIA coined the term "conspiracy theorist" and made it out to be a bad thing. That is why things are moving so bad so quick, because it's just a "conspiracy theory" until the government admits it when it's too late to change easily.

Interesting article from Wikipedia

Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Operation Northwoods was a series of false flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962, but were rejected by the Kennedy administration.[2] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:
The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.
Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

According to currently released documentation, none of the operations became active under the auspices of the Operation Northwoods proposals."

"James Bamford wrote on Northwoods:
Operation Northwoods, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.[18]"
 
I guess the logic is that even if one is paying for a service and the service provider holds the records, but not the government, then the government can obtain the records without a warrant. It appears it would cover bank accounts, credit cards, email stored on a server, library records or just about anything that a third party has stored to provide a service for which one pays for.

Cops Can Track Cellphones Without Warrants, Appeals Court Rules | Threat Level | Wired.com

"In the end, the 5th Circuit, which sets law in Louisiana, Mississippi and Texas, concluded today that the locational history of a mobile phone does not enjoy constitutional protections because the government has not performed the tracking, and that the data is simply a business record owned by carriers. (.pdf)
 
Anyone know how one can adhere to this advice?

Snowden's Email Service Provider Shuts Down Following Government Pressure | Zero Hedge

"Secure and free web-based email service provider Lavabit shut down today. What makes Lavabit different from countless other email providers who have shuttered over the years is that according to BoingBoing, Lavabit is the email service supposedly used by Edward Snowden. Which would explain the nebulous tone in the farewell letter posted on the company's front page by owner Ladar Levison. It also explains why Lavabit was shut down by the US government, although that was mostly inferred from the letter which due to legal limitations does not expound on the official reasons for the shut down - one can imagine. It certainly explains the following punchline in Levison's letter: "This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.""
 
Anyone know how one can adhere to this advice?

Snowden's Email Service Provider Shuts Down Following Government Pressure | Zero Hedge

"Secure and free web-based email service provider Lavabit shut down today. What makes Lavabit different from countless other email providers who have shuttered over the years is that according to BoingBoing, Lavabit is the email service supposedly used by Edward Snowden. Which would explain the nebulous tone in the farewell letter posted on the company's front page by owner Ladar Levison. It also explains why Lavabit was shut down by the US government, although that was mostly inferred from the letter which due to legal limitations does not expound on the official reasons for the shut down - one can imagine. It certainly explains the following punchline in Levison's letter: "This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.""

Right now there are only 2 things we can do. Anything that you don't want the government spying on, do it in a cave where no electronic devices whatsoever are present. And, wake up as many people as possible. The only thing politicians really care about is money and their next election. If enough people wake up and every single one of the scum bag thugs are voted out of office things might change.
 
Lets see, we put the person in jail for reporting a crime. Lesson learned, don't report criminal activity of those in power.

Imprisoned CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou: Totality of Punishment Is Not Limited to a Prison Sentence | The Dissenter

"Kiriakou was the first member of the CIA to publicly acknowledge that torture was official US policy under the George W. Bush administration. He was convicted in October of last year of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) when he provided the name of an officer involved in the CIA
 
It appears the UK Prime Minister David Cameron is leading the country towards an explicit Police State. Has his storm troopers march into the Guardian newspapers office and seize and destroy material while confiscating property of a reporters partner and detaining same with no charges or probable cause.

David Miranda, schedule 7 and the danger that all reporters now face | Alan Rusbridger | Comment is free | The Guardian

"And so one of the more bizarre moments in the Guardian's long history occurred – with two GCHQ security experts overseeing the destruction of hard drives in the Guardian's basement just to make sure there was nothing in the mangled bits of metal which could possibly be of any interest to passing Chinese agents. "We can call off the black helicopters," joked one as we swept up the remains of a MacBook Pro."
 
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