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Digital Controller
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I wasn't really able to find much, but I did find this tip:
Rukbat
Extreme Android User
Unless you have a 4k TV, you'll never see the difference betweeb 1080P and 4k - the TV just isn't able to reproduce the difference. For a computer monitor to show a difference, the vertical resolution of the monitor has to be considerably greater than 1080 lines, so the monitor has to be considerably higher resolution than 1920X1080. 2880X1620 will barely show any difference if you have really good eyes. For most people, 1080p on a really good TV or monitor is about the best they can see, so 4k is just wasting storage (file size) and not doing as well with high speed motion. 720p at 120fps is much better for action shots.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
For youtube, the best setting for crisp video quality is the highest resolution that youtube provides at the moment, which is 4K, available by choosing "original" from the video quality settings button on a Youtube video that you know is shot in 4K quality.
The desktop mode of your Android browser with flash installed or your desktop PC browser has the video quality settings button that you need to choose 4K.
Youtube has various video resolutions like 240p, 360p, 480p, 720p, 1080p, 1440p etc etc, and each of these resolutions has a varying degree of compression applied to that resolutions video when uploaded, with the highest compression applied to 240p and decreasing in compression applied the higher up the resolution rises, up until "original" quality.
When viewed from a computer screen less than than 4K size, like a 1080p or 720p or similar sized screen, the squeezing effect of the pixels together will further enhance any noise present in the video, giving an even crisper image to your eye. The same effect you will get if you view a 720p or 1080p or 1440p video on desktop PC and then press the resize button to shrink the YouTube player to the tiniest it can get.
The total pixel size data on a 4K video from a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 isn't as large as a movie production camera so you can probably watch a 4K video on your 1080p or 720p or similar sized desktop PC with a low specification video card. Other 4K videos on YouTube with larger data rates from amateur, enthusiast or Pro Video equipment will have larger data and might not to play on your PC depending on which system specifications & internet connection speed you have.
Here's a 4K video shot from a Samsung Galaxy Note 3. If you're uploading 4K & want to share it with family & friends etc and know their PC can play it then you could tell them to house "original" video quality, but if they're only going to be viewing it from a phone or their PC can't play 4K video then 1080p would be the option with the least compression that is available to you right now.
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AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
The 720p 120FPS seems to be lower resolution upscaled to 720p, not true 720p. It actually looks like a 480p resolution compared to 720p out of the phone (or even a 3-4 year old phone).
I think the iPhone does something similar.
The 1080p 60FPS does look legit, though, so unless you want to slow something down more than 1/2 speed, you should probably always use the 1080p 60FPS recording option as the output is vastly better (picture quality-wise) compared to the Slow Motion option.
Also, there is a time limit for 4K recording. I think it's 5 minutes. And without OIS (or putting the phone on a tripod, or bracing yourself/the phone against something that can eliminate almost all movement), it's borderline unusable due to the lack of digital stabilization. The picture shakes so much that you'd need a monster computer to post-process it an make it watchable.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
An application in the Google Play store called "Cinema FV-5" allows anyone to record above the limit of 5 minutes and at a much higher bit rate.
There's also an anti shake feature available in Cinema FV-5 which when switched on does make me realise how sensitive the stock camera is when recording 4K content.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
I don't use 4K anymore. I use 60 FPS 1080p, which shoots out universally more useful and smoother video, and can be digitally stabilized. This will also be a ton more useful for action/sports once YouTube rolls out 60 FPS support, since you can control playback speed there.
I've seen a few PC crashes trying to play as well as stream 4K video. After seeing how terrible it is to work with, my interest in it has all but dissolved.
Also I send a lot of video out, import into analysis apps, etc. The 4K is just not good for that stuff and is borderline untradeable due to its size.
It's nice for grabbing screen caps from action, though. 8MP vs the 2MP you get from a 1080p video. That's the only time I use it, and in those cases the file length is 20 seconds or less...
I've seen a few PC crashes trying to play as well as stream 4K video. After seeing how terrible it is to work with, my interest in it has all but dissolved.
Also I send a lot of video out, import into analysis apps, etc. The 4K is just not good for that stuff and is borderline untradeable due to its size.
It's nice for grabbing screen caps from action, though. 8MP vs the 2MP you get from a 1080p video. That's the only time I use it, and in those cases the file length is 20 seconds or less...
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Unfortunately you can't use 60 FPS in youtube right now, which is something the maker of this thread would only be able to take into regard regarding youtube quality if it was supported, but I take it you are enjoying alot of high speed action content which is good for one person but not always the best thing for someone who wants to relax and enjoy a holiday somewhere, or even interview someone, or a whole wider range of other activities which can be enjoyed by friends and family or other people.
I also think it's good that you mentioned a PC crash trying to play 4K video as I explained in my previous post 4K video has a larger data rate & pixel area so it would require a video card that is slightly better than a stock or integrated video card to play it. It isn't a 4K RED movie production with enormous data rate so it wouldn't require a gaming video card but something a little better than the normal one.
I would hazard a guess that the make of the thread is having a very nice time enjoying their 4K content if they're asking about it and once again, regarding the original subject of this thread, which is quality on Youtube, you can't choose "original quality" on Youtube without taking 4K or larger video content.
The "original quality" button allows you to escape youtube compression and shows video in its original quality, something which the maker of the thread would be interested in.
You can also use an application called "Cinema FV-5" in the Google Play store which has an anti-shake feature on it for taking 4K video as well as lower resolutions. I noticed how smooth it was when taking video using the anti-shake feature on. So I would agree without that application then using the stock camera can be very sensitive to movement, and you can't take 4K video for more than 5 minutes with the stock camera. With Cinema FV-5 you can.
rushmore
Extreme Android User
4K video is still not common with monitors and TVs, yet alone phones 
Well encoded 1080p IMO is a much better option than 4K for video. Especially considering the resource and storage needs on a phone.
What we are seeing is the industry trying to push a technology step on consumers in to order try and stimulate a fairly stagnate growth trend. The catch is the stagnation has more to do with the systemic marginal drop in discretionary income rather than lack of consumer interest in tech.
Pushing higher cost tech on a consumer base with less overall spending money seems like a bad strategy IMO, but they gotta do what they think they gotta do.
Well encoded 1080p IMO is a much better option than 4K for video. Especially considering the resource and storage needs on a phone.
What we are seeing is the industry trying to push a technology step on consumers in to order try and stimulate a fairly stagnate growth trend. The catch is the stagnation has more to do with the systemic marginal drop in discretionary income rather than lack of consumer interest in tech.
Pushing higher cost tech on a consumer base with less overall spending money seems like a bad strategy IMO, but they gotta do what they think they gotta do.
Bodycount
Android Enthusiast
4k video is hot right now... but so was 3D video a couple years ago and look where that has gone?
For me, 1080p is fine. Get a good TV with deep blacks and vibraint colors and 1080p will look just as good as 4k video. I'm not saying I'll never buy a 4k TV, I'm just saying right now it's not worth the extra cost. It's better for me to wait five years or so after the hype has died out to buy one for cheap.
4k video shines when you have screens larger than 60". For computer screens or your phone screen, you won't see any difference.
For me, 1080p is fine. Get a good TV with deep blacks and vibraint colors and 1080p will look just as good as 4k video. I'm not saying I'll never buy a 4k TV, I'm just saying right now it's not worth the extra cost. It's better for me to wait five years or so after the hype has died out to buy one for cheap.
4k video shines when you have screens larger than 60". For computer screens or your phone screen, you won't see any difference.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
When viewed from a computer screen less than than 4K size, like a 1080p or 720p or similar sized screen, the squeezing effect of the pixels together will further enhance any noise present in the video, giving an even crisper image to your eye. The same effect you will get if you view a 720p or 1080p or 1440p video on desktop PC and then press the resize button to shrink the YouTube player to the tiniest it can get.
A quote from my earlier post, which I believe addresses some situations in which I would advise him/her to use 4K and tell his potential viewers to press the "original quality" button while they are viewing from their 1080 or 720 & similar dimensioned screens.
You may find due to the compression that youtube uses if you are a person who wants the best quality you can get the original poster would want no compression, which is only available with 4K & above video......am I wrong? So once again that's why I wrote what I wrote.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
4K video is still not common with monitors and TVs, yet alone phones
Well encoded 1080p IMO is a much better option than 4K for video. Especially considering the resource and storage needs on a phone.
Well if someone is watching from their phone on official youtube applications then they won't have the opportunity to view 4K content, but that assumes the maker of this thread is referring to allowing people to watch 4K youtube videos of the best quality on their phone's, which I'm sure the thread maker wasn't.
1080p is the highest option on a phone, but with regards to more a more broader viewing demographic who are using personal computers then for reasons which I have just written above which relates to best quality on Youtube, then I would still advise him or her to use the 4K video feature if it is available to him/her, which I'm assuming it is.
With regards to storage on a phone I took a 4K video of nearly 8 minutes yesterday which was 1.8 GB in size, so depending on what size external SD Card someone has its all just a case of preparation, and deciding how much storage you need for how long a video you want to film. Another useful feature of having an external SD Card slot in which an SD Card dedicated to video footage can be swapped in & out of easily.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
I said ONCE YouTube rolls out the 60 FPS support.
In 1.8GB you can record almost if not over an hour of 720p. 4K is wasteful, currently. If you have to share over a data connection you can wipe out your data cap dealing with that.
You're better off down scaling 4K to 1080p than playing it native format on a 1080p or 720p display BTW.
In 1.8GB you can record almost if not over an hour of 720p. 4K is wasteful, currently. If you have to share over a data connection you can wipe out your data cap dealing with that.
You're better off down scaling 4K to 1080p than playing it native format on a 1080p or 720p display BTW.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
Indeed I know and appreciate what you said, and you won't get uncompressed display on 1080p video on YouTube there will be some compression. If you or anyone else don't notice any difference then that's fine but it'swell documented that it has compression at 1080p, and depending on how high a quality the maker of the thread wants it then once again I would suggest 4K because it seems like it is available to them.
Once again any 4K video uploaded on Youtube will have the "Original quality" label on the resolution settings button underneath the YouTube video which should tell you that they know the rest of the resolutions are compressed and that if you press the "original quality" button then you get an uncompressed video of original uploaded quality.
So knowing that then I wouldn't advise the maker of the thread to upload to 1080p if they explicitly want the highest quality youtube video and explicitly mentioning and inquiring about 4K.
So if you would like to advise them to upload in 1080p only then I guess that can be your reply to them, but I'm not going to debate with anyone who says that there isn't compression on 1080p video, that would be like debating whether there is compression on the other resolutions like 720p or 480p or 240p when there is a clear difference, except there is the least compression on 1080p which isn't "original quality" content, of which you can get by uploading a 4K video.
I appreciate your opinions and if there is no difference in your eyes then that's fine.
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
If you down scale 4K to 1080p the quality far surpasses the native 1080p recording on the phone. Compression isn't a factor if you do that, cause the quality will be so high so long as you don't encode at a cramps bit rate.
The issue is that you need a beastly rig to do that. 4K requires a powerful machine with a lot of RAM to work with.
The lack of OIS isn't that big of a deal if that's what you're doing. Stabilization can be done in post and since the 4K picture is so vast (8MP image frames) the resolution cropping of digital stabilization is not really a factor.
Even with the compression there are ways to optimize for quality and surpass the native 1080p by a good margin.
The issue is that you need a beastly rig to do that. 4K requires a powerful machine with a lot of RAM to work with.
The lack of OIS isn't that big of a deal if that's what you're doing. Stabilization can be done in post and since the 4K picture is so vast (8MP image frames) the resolution cropping of digital stabilization is not really a factor.
Even with the compression there are ways to optimize for quality and surpass the native 1080p by a good margin.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
No matter what bitrate someone uses on a phone or any device, the compression that happens on Youtube servers has a certain limit which it won't go over.
It has a set limit, a compression profile that it has for each resolution from 240p to 1080p. Nobody can overcome that compression it will be there and nothing can be done about the compression, but for people who are happy with the compression and can't see the difference then that's okay.
The quality will not be "so high", it will be as high as the bitrate and other quality settings that are included in the compression profile that youtube uses for 240p to 1080p.
So once again this is why I advised someone who's main concern was highest quality on Youtube to upload in 4K which has the "original quality" setting, that way they can bypass the compression that exists on the lower resolutions and then view the 4K content on a desktop screen with 1080p or 720p dimension would result in the pixels being more dense and also even less noise, resulting in a very nice experience if viewed on a 1080p or 720p screen.
You can Google the YouTube compression that is applied to all videos and also see many videos of people trying to teach others what are the "ideal settings" to upload videos to Youtube, which are just settings trying to get as close to the Youtube compression profile as possible without going over it, or saving people from encoding to certain quality because youtube will compress it anyway.
SkyJackpot
Android Enthusiast
The maker of the thread is talking about uploading 4K video from their phone........
AnonGuy
Android Enthusiast
Smooth HD is invaluable for sports (and simply looks better for everything else). Video analysis apps will keep the frame rate even if they down scale the video. It makes for smoother scrubbing and more accurate scrubbing since you have double the frames.
60f support is coming to YouTube.
60fps 1080p is not up scaled video. Have you even looked at that video? It's bona-fide 1080p.
The 120fps video is up scaled from 480p, the 60fps full HD is true 1080p footage.
A phone that can record 4K at 30 FPS has no issues doing FHD at 60. The HTC One M8's fast HD is the same as the smooth in the Note 3. Legit 1080p at 60f.
60f support is coming to YouTube.
60fps 1080p is not up scaled video. Have you even looked at that video? It's bona-fide 1080p.
The 120fps video is up scaled from 480p, the 60fps full HD is true 1080p footage.
A phone that can record 4K at 30 FPS has no issues doing FHD at 60. The HTC One M8's fast HD is the same as the smooth in the Note 3. Legit 1080p at 60f.