52-year old truck driver tried as juvenile in 1976 New Jersey murder

[kool kat2]

and there is the exact problem with your argument......... you fail to see 2 things:

A) the law and justice are not synonymous........ the law trumps justice every time...... its the law

B) saved you a little time since you cant find it on your own 6 year old commits crime

yawn

I clicked on the link and decided ill carry a conversation with someone who can show me the same respect. Great talk

 

[Bob Maxey]

and there is the exact problem with your argument......... you fail to see 2 things:

A) the law and justice are not synonymous........ the law trumps justice every time...... its the law

B) saved you a little time since you cant find it on your own 6 year old commits crime yawn

Some laws are fair. Not being able to drink and drive comes to mind.

Some laws are passed with good intent, like the laws governing property rights. I would fight a law that allows you to build certain kinds of businesses in my neighborhood, like a junk yard or high traffic retail store.

Some laws are so odd, me telling you about them would brand me a liar and some laws are outdated and they need to be revised. And some rule makers ignore the US Constitution when they try to pass a law.

Here in Utah, some astute observer noticed a new law tacked on the ass end of a bill few people even knew was due to be passed that would give the state of Utah the right to charge us for rainwater. They maintained that the rain is Utah state property.

Some laws start out fair and are perverted. For example, the laws that allow the government to basically give your property to a business, started out as good laws that allow a hospital or fire station to be build in an area where there are none. This serves the public good. If you own a home and you are paid next to nothing for your property is good for me because it brings essential services to my area and you must take one for the community. You likely do not think that as you watch your house taken away.

Unfortunately, the public does not understand the law. When they are read their rights, they learn that sometimes, fairness and the written law are not the same thing. Sometimes, laws are passed to help us all and sometimes, bad laws are passed that help just a few.

Some people just look at what they think is the fairness of the law rather than the written law. I know a landlord that would lock your apartment and take your stuff if you did not pay the rent. This was routine in my area. They came to find out that it was illegal. You cannot kick out a renter until you go to court and properly evict someone. And you cannot keep them out of their apartment or take their stuff because it is against the law.

 

[Bob Maxey]

so in your opinion a 15 year old who would do these things is messed up all around and beyond rehabilitation........ and that may be true........ but thats not even close to the law...... the law says or at least said at the time....... that hes a child and can only be rehabilitated....... and only until hes 18

Some human organisms are just so sick and defective they cannot be fixed. We are too bloody caught up in this idea that we can fix everyone if we throw enough cash and time their way.

That every bad person is misunderstood.

That every bad kid has bad parents.

I am sick and tired of it.

Some kids need to be kept away from society because they are complex machines that cannot be repaired. This little kid needs to be locked away until he is 18 and then revisited. If he still seems to be malfunctioning, he is simply put away until he dies of old age.

 

[Bob Maxey]

I dimly recall the chap that went to jail or perhaps it was prison for something like 20 years. His crime? As I recall, he stole $20.00 or so worth of crap from a store.

The judge was a fool, many said at the time.

The law was bad, said many more.

The public was outraged, as i recall.

This criminal will watch rapists and murderers and gang bangers come and go as he serves twenty for shoplifting a bunch of trinkets from a store.

The judge was required to give this ass 20 or so years because of mandatory minimum sentencing laws. These were/are laws that require judges to give set sentences with no wiggle room.

The chap that went to the Greybar Hotel committed previous crimes, so he was sentenced under the three strikes rule. Because he was on his third strike, the judge had no choice but to give the long sentence.

The public (apparently) wanted these kinds of laws passed because drug dealers were getting off. When a judge must give a specific length sentence, it makes things easier. But now that the laws exist, the public is discovering that the law is not passed to help or hurt one person; they learn that the laws they vote for apply to everyone and sometimes what they want bits them in the arse..

 

[Bob Maxey]

I will never understand that logic.

That is because it is a bad argument and you should simply ignore it.

We know kids cannot hold their beer and wine. We know kids use poor judgement from time to time. We know kids are invincible and they know they can drink and drive. We know alcohol affects young minds and bodies. We know kids often drink until drunk and have little judgement.

But . . .

Kids going off to war are no longer kids when they leave boot camp. They are broken down, trained, built up and turned into fighters. They grow up fast and become skilled. They are invested with a sense of pride and they develop honor. they learn respect and they learn how to protect their fellow soldier's collective backs.

The military is very, very good at this.

Your typical 16 YO kid is just a punk with no life skills and knowledge of the real world.

This idea that kids sent to kill should be allowed to drink is a silly argument.

 

[Bob Maxey]

what if you later found out that same guy at the age of 15 was in a sexual relationship with a 40 year old woman.... would you also want that woman arrested for statutory rape?

Doesn't the law cover this? Depending on the laws in his area at the time, perhaps she cannot be tried due to how old the crime is. Stature of limitations might say, no, she cannot be tried.

Public outcry might demand we place her head on a pike.

And a prosecutor might decide to try to take her to court not because he or she really cares, but because they want to appear to be doing the right thing. A jury might find her guilty even though she should not be in court in the first place.

I think most 15 year old males are not damaged by the trauma of this "rape." They likely relish it and brag about it and they likely know what is going on. We males are built and driven to procreate at a much earlier age than 15 years.

All I know is everyone here is guilty of a crime because there are vast numbers of laws on the books.

 

[saptech]

That is because it is a bad argument and you should simply ignore it.

But . . .

The military is very, very good at this.

Your typical 16 YO kid is just a punk with no life skills and knowledge of the real world.

This idea that kids sent to kill should be allowed to drink is a silly argument.

So it's fine to send them off to war to kill or be killed? Sound more silly to me than letting 18+ yr old drink beer or wine.

It's fine until it's your child.

I didn't know they let 16 yr olds into the military or draft them.

Excuse you!

 

[ElasticNinja]

I find it incredible that in most states, 21 is the legal age for drinking. No point making a law that isnt going to be enforced, or even enforcible like this as such.
In Europe its generally 18, but in a lot of places you can be served non-spirit drinks once you are 16. I personally think it should be 16 for most drink, and 18 for spirits.

 

[Bob Maxey]

So it's fine to send them off to war to kill or be killed? Sound more silly to me than letting 18+ yr old drink beer or wine.

It's fine until it's your child.

I didn't know they let 16 yr olds into the military or draft them.

Excuse you!

16 or 18, they still largely do not know much.

And to my knowledge, no, they do not allow 16 YOs to join the military.

So what do we do? We have to set the age somewhere. The age varies depending on where you live. In my state, it is 21.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I find it incredible that in most states, 21 is the legal age for drinking. No point making a law that isnt going to be enforced, or even enforcible like this as such.
In Europe its generally 18, but in a lot of places you can be served non-spirit drinks once you are 16. I personally think it should be 16 for most drink, and 18 for spirits.

It's federal unless I'm mistaken, not at the state level.

 

[copestag]

It's federal unless I'm mistaken, not at the state level.

its actually at the state level..... federal has no jurisdiction

so they did an end around........ and said they recommend 21....... and will withhold highway funds from any state who doesnt follow that recommendation

if memory serves me I believe there are still a couple of states where its lower