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Also, the UN is a fairly toothless organization. Let's be honest. Countries pretty much ignore them whenever it's convenient to do so.
 
ElasticNinja said:
They were expelled from what is now Israel. Hence why there are so many Palestinian refugees even today.
1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Your point is still made moot by Right of Conquest. No way around it. That area no longer belonged to the Palistinians. It was the property of the Allied forces, before that the Axis forces and before that the British Crown before that the Ottoman Empire. It has changed hands so many times under right of conquest that there is no basis for a Palistinian claim.
 
PH8AL said:
Your point is still made moot by Right of Conquest. No way around it. That area no longer belonged to the Palistinians. It was the property of the Allied forces, before that the Axis forces and before that the British Crown before that the Ottoman Empire. It has changed hands so many times under right of conquest that there is no basis for a Palistinian claim.
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The Allied forces administered the territories with an international mandate. Also the Axis only invaded North Africa using existing Italian and Vichy areas. Not the Levant area. The British had no wish to expel Arabs or integrate the territories into their state, and the Ottomans didn't expel the natives either. It was Israel who ethnically cleansed the area.
 
ElasticNinja said:
The Allied forces administered the territories with an international mandate. Also the Axis only invaded North Africa using existing Italian and Vichy areas. Not the Levant area. The British had no wish to expel Arabs or integrate the territories into their state, and the Ottomans didn't expel the natives either. It was Israel who ethnically cleansed the area.
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Non of which changes the absolute in the situation that the Palestinians had long been conquered and under the rules of war accepted at that time those lands and every last thing in them short of claiming people as property, belonged to the Victor. According to the League of Nations in 1913? what is now Israel belonged to the UK not the Palestinians.

The rightful occupants of that land are the Israelis because they are who it was given to when every where was divided up as spoils after WWII. Dislike the fact they gave the Palestinians the boot. But their right to exist as a Nation is above questioning. After what they had just been through in Europe because of European political ideology Damn right the Allied Countries gave them their own place, the one they asked for.

As for an International mandate if you remember correctly the Uk was in a terrible fight with the Germans, what people over your way seem to forget was it was a losing fight. The bulk of the work was done by the US and Canada with a strong resistance in occupied territory. The international mandate you speak of was our freakin Idea as was giving back the lands we slaughtered and died for like France and Italy to their people. Those weren't European decisions to be made. Churchill might have got his ego massaged for the news reels but they had taken the most damage and brought the least to the table in everything except claims. 1 of 4 main players in the decision process.

2 generations later we are still left holding the bag for it. Im sure my kids will as well and theirs to.

I think we should have given them a chunk of Italy. Life would be easier for my country today if we had.
 
People have fought over the land in Palestine for millenia. Literally. It won't be solved in our lifetime I doubt.
 
A.Nonymous said:
People have fought over the land in Palestine for millenia. Literally. It won't be solved in our lifetime I doubt.
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Which is ignorant since it is a freakin desert with a dead salt sea in the middle of it and few resources. Just glad most of them have never seen the Great Lakes.
 
A.Nonymous said:
Perfect example of why you can't win in politics. The Dems leave God out of their platform. They are roundly criticized for it by the GOP for being Godless corrupters of all that is good. So they add God back into the platform. They are booed for it at their own convention.
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Good thing we have the fundamentalist Islamic Christian Republican platform.

2012 Republican National Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Human Life Amendment banning abortion (with exceptions, if any, to be determined by Congress)[39] and legislation "to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children."[40]

For Medicare: increase the age of eligibility and a shift to a defined contribution plan in which the government pays a fixed amount rather than cover an individual's costs.[41]

Prohibiting schools from educating teenagers on any form of family planning except abstinence.[41]

Opposing regulations on business to curb climate change, curtailing the power of the Environmental Protection Agency, and promoting "private stewardship of the environment".[46]
 
One thing that has promise with the RNC platform is a first step in auditing the Federal Reserve. The fixed value currency part is a bunch of crap, i.e. the mining of gold to base economic growth is stupid, if not insane.

Increased transparency of the Federal Reserve via audits and investigating the viability of returning to a fixed value currency.[44]
 
PH8AL said:
Which is ignorant since it is a freakin desert with a dead salt sea in the middle of it and few resources. Just glad most of them have never seen the Great Lakes.
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That's what religion does to people. Removes common sense.
 
PH8AL said:
Which is ignorant since it is a freakin desert with a dead salt sea in the middle of it and few resources. Just glad most of them have never seen the Great Lakes.
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Well, your home is your home I guess. It is considered holy land by three major religions which contributes to the conflict.
 
Oh I left the religious thing alone but in my opinion fighting over who's imaginary friend is best is more ignorant than fighting over a strip of dead desert.
 
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