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Andriod UI - what are they thinking?

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A phone should be made for "the masses". Not for you and not for me. Android is not made for the masses. It is made for people with higher technical skills and more free time. Yes, you are very funny to be arguing with me on something so obvious.

If it wasn't made for the 'masses', the 'masses' wouldn't be buying them as rapidly as they do. :rolleyes:

I write programs for a living, not Android apps and I agree that things should be as painless as possible, and Iowa shot you down fairly quickly in the start of the thread. He pointed out that it takes very few 'taps' to do things.

Now, on an iPhone you get a text message and it pops up in your face FORCING you to react to it.. bleh.
In Android you tap on the notification, read it and hit back and you are where you were before..... easy.
If you want to reply to that message there is a reply button.
If you want to go to the previous or next message there are buttons for that too.
If you want to delete it.... there is a button for that.

I can't seem to find this poor UI design you speak of....
 
How can you do that?

I use the stock behavior of my vendors value-added UI - HTC Sense.

The way to do that is in my phone's user guide - that's very well-written, in my opinion. But - I don't read user guides, so one of my fellow users on this forum taught me that trick when I was new here.

I simply populated my stock screens the way I wanted.

Then I use this feature with one, fluid motion.

I think many of you really misunderstood me. I hate MS and I hate Apple, I wouldn't use a Windows 7 phone if you would give it to me free. I just want to see a better Android.

Nothing wrong with that.

But first, you need understand what Android is, and you've got some misconceptions that can be easy rectified.

What you are saying is this: Android is an OS, a platform, and it comes stripped down from many functionalities, including many basic ones like "profiles" or pin protection. It's not very easy to use, BUT, it's flexible. You are saying that every person should and can easily customize his Android with all that good stuff and more, and that you can do anything you want as long as you customize and tweak the settings.

I did not say that.

I said to someone that misrepresented the UI that many customizations are possible and to call the UI ugly and confusing - based on a little-used component with my phone's stock incarnation - was ludicrous.

I said that Android was not a single look-and-feel.

Because it is a platform, you can choose look and feel by choosing one from the vendor OR customizing your own - it's a choice.

The vast majority of people buy vendor-phones with value-added UIs and never change them. Android from HTC, Motorola and Samsung (excluding the Nexus S) all have a different look and feel and are targeted at user-friendliness, per their manufacturer's included software.

My phone comes out of the box with profiles and pin-locking ability, by the way.

Very, very few Android phone are sold without add-ons, as plain vanilla Android. Those that are, are marketed that way.

The Nexus phone, be it your S or its predecessor, the One, lead that category. The Nexus phone is designed to be marketed by Google's spec to show how powerful the latest version of Android is - so it has very advanced hardware and comes without any adornment. It's suitable for Android purists, or anyone who finds none of the value-added phones to their liking and would prefer a plain, nothing-added interface.

Other smartphones follow Henry Ford's original approach to the Model T: You can have any color you want, so long as it's black. So, in truth, iPhones and Windows phones are very much like Model Ts - they come one way.

Android phone offerings are more like a combination of offerings by totaling GM, Ford, BMW, Honda Motors, Hyundai, Citroen - out of the box.

You bought the high performance roadster. It goes fast, it's a beautiful machine.

But you're complaining that it lacks power windows, powered leather seats, family seating, has road noise and is not for the feint-hearted. And you don't like the confusing array of accessories to change those attributes.

And - you're complaining that Android is wrong because of that.

I didn't buy the high-performance roadster - I bought the Euro-sedan version of Android, as do many people.

We simply don't have the road noise complaints that you do.

And because mine's also a top-class machine, I paid no more for my phone than you did for yours.

But, by analogy, you're looking for the Caddy or BMW features on the Android hot rod - and unless you tinker with your hot rod, you won't get them.

This is why you're finding so little traction with your idea that Android is so very stripped down and needs changing.

It's entirely possible that you did not get the right phone for your needs or your desires. But that's not Android's fault. Android is a platform, much like GM is a fleet of choices.

I have a question - do you think your mother, father, grandmother or 8 years old sister can or WANT to do all of that stuff?

Nope. I'm a grandfather of 6 and my mom and 65 year-old sister came and spent a few weeks with us this summer. Neither had touched a smartphone in their entire lives.

I switched to the stock profile on my phone, handed it to them and they loved it - had no trouble using it, the internet, Google sky or maps after - literally - a few minutes of orientation with the phone and a few minute with each app they wanted to play with.

They adored it, and couldn't get over how easy it was to use.

Especially after they'd tried my wife's phone - a Samsung Moment, an earlier model that came with - wait for it - plain vanilla Android, like yours. (OK - an earlier version of plain vanilla Android.)

Why is Android like that? Because Google is not a consumer products company, it is an engineering company. They probably didn't have the foresight to involve many consumer product and UI specialists on what is a "platform" or "OS". But guys, 90% of the people who buy phones don't know what a "platform" is. They are buying a phone. They think in terms of "I like my phone" and "my phone is easy to use" or "my phone is hard to use". So it's very cool that Android is a platform, but the real goal here is to sell as many Android phones as possible. So it's not enough that it is flexible... it needs to be intuitive for the average user and preloaded with all the basics. Right now this is not the case. That's it. If you like Android and want to see it as popular as possible, I'm not really sure why would you argue with that.

And if you don't want the engineer's purist-phone, don't get it.

Get the Android phone with the UI added by companies whose software teams' sole mission is the user interface.

This is possible because Android is a platform.

Here's a commercial for my phone's stock UI. It's made in Taiwan, but the UI team is located right here in the USA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax24GN1458

Whether this is the interface for you or not - you must admit that out of the box, this interface looks and feels worlds apart from yours and has more customizations - if one would like them - than yours.

For a huge percentage of Android users - that video is what Android looks and feels like.

Before criticizing Android, you must understand it.

So far, you're criticizing the Nexus S and you're looking for luxury features on the company's hot rod.

When your complaints extend to what's under the hood - the power plant of Android - we'll have that in common. But we don't have the UI in common because it's model dependent.

You've drawn a conclusion that our models of Android are exactly like your Nexus S model - and that's simply not so, where the UI is concerned.

PS - I've worked as a system engineer and systems analyst most of life, working primarily in matters involving physics, electrical engineering and systems software. My degrees include one in computer information systems. My wife is a not-unpopular New Mexico fine artist. Yet, I use the more artsy-fartsy Android interface, while she prefer the vanilla Android.

Just goes to show, you can't profile Android users as easily as one might think at first blush.
 
OK, thanks. ;-) I like how this guy is trying to be SJ. I asked yesterday "Is it because I am using "stock" Andriod? Are branded phones very different?" so... that's the main problem I guess.
 
OK, thanks. ;-) I like how this guy is trying to be SJ. I asked yesterday "Is it because I am using "stock" Andriod? Are branded phones very different?" so... that's the main problem I guess.

It takes time to understand Android, and it takes time to come to common ground so that a problem can be understood and socialized.

I think many of us believed that you were aware of these nuances, and the term "stock Android" might have been heard with different meaning than you intended.
 
It takes time to understand Android, and it takes time to come to common ground so that a problem can be understood and socialized.

I think many of us believed that you were aware of these nuances, and the term "stock Android" might have been heard with different meaning than you intended.

No no... I didn't know any of this. This is my first smartphone... (I avoided them for "ideological" reasons until now)
 
OK, thanks. ;-) I like how this guy is trying to be SJ. I asked yesterday "Is it because I am using "stock" Andriod? Are branded phones very different?" so... that's the main problem I guess.

HTCs phones typically have Sense, Motorola has Blur, and Samsung has something else, I don't recall what it's called exactly.. something with Wiz in it.

I am a stock Android guy.
I have ApeX on my Droid X and Cyanogen on my Nexus one.

I have seen lots of Android phones out there, and of all the Android phones I have seen not one of them looked the same.
If you look at all iPhones they all look the same and behave the same.
Virtually everyone that I have talked to that used an iPhone for a duration of time got very bored with it.... a year later it looks like the day you bought it, with the exception of wear marks or scratches. :P

This is the power of Android... so I dare ask why you think that it's a 'problem' that they all have a different UI?
Or am I misunderstanding your statement?
 
HTCs phones typically have Sense, Motorola has Blur, and Samsung has something else, I don't recall what it's called exactly.. something with Wiz in it.

I am a stock Android guy.
I have ApeX on my Droid X and Cyanogen on my Nexus one.

I have seen lots of Android phones out there, and of all the Android phones I have seen not one of them looked the same.
If you look at all iPhones they all look the same and behave the same.
Virtually everyone that I have talked to that used an iPhone for a duration of time got very bored with it.... a year later it looks like the day you bought it, with the exception of wear marks or scratches. :P

This is the power of Android... so I dare ask why you think that it's a 'problem' that they all have a different UI?
Or am I misunderstanding your statement?

I'd like to field this one, he can correct me if I'm wrong.

The problem was that he didn't understand previously what you and I just now said about the varied nature of possible Android UIs. His later comment confirms this is his first smartphone.

We were all new to smartphones once, we were all new to Android once.
 
No no... I didn't know any of this. This is my first smartphone... (I avoided them for "ideological" reasons until now)

When you get past the shock of carrying what amounts to a laptop operating system in your pocket, you'll really like it.

When you get comfortable with the UI paradigms, you're liable to like it a lot.

However - even though your phone outclasses all others under the hood right now (you have a full Android 2.3 - we don't), it might be worth your while to take a trip back to the store and play with a few other incarnations of Android, just to see if you have the right phone for you - or to get some ideas for changing your layout.

Remember what I said about add-on launchers, add-on widgets and QuickDesk - you're not scratching the surface of what your phone can do yet.
 
This is the power of Android... so I dare ask why you think that it's a 'problem' that they all have a different UI?
Or am I misunderstanding your statement?

I just felt that my Nexus came too stripped down... but I guess that's the point of it. The UI has some flaws. I would include in the notification bar, once you're in an App, options to "close" "uninstall" and "go to App home" to give apps more consistency. Some features need to be more easily accessible... that sort of thing.
 
OK, thanks. ;-) I like how this guy is trying to be SJ. I asked yesterday "Is it because I am using "stock" Andriod? Are branded phones very different?" so... that's the main problem I guess.

One of the other things you should understand is that among Android devotees, stock Android on an unlocked phone is a much coveted thing, but many didn't want to lay out the full purchase price for one of the Nexuses (Nexii?) so they have to accept to get rid of the UI on a subsidized handset they must root, flash or use an alternate launcher.

To go back to the automobile analogies (and yes, we have a million of 'em) it's the difference between restoring a '64 Corvette to mint condition, souping up a 1975 Trans Am (Smokey and the Bandit), buying a Porsche Roadster or just driving a Neon off the lot. Each requires a different set of skills and resources and each will provide the driver with a different automotive experience, but in the end it's all cars.

I look at stock Android as an erector set still in the box. Rather boring until you make something with it, but when you do, there's not only a wow factor to those who see it, but there's also a sense of pride associated with the uniqueness. Make Android your own.
 
I just felt that my Nexus came too stripped down... but I guess that's the point of it. The UI has some flaws. I would include in the notification bar, once you're in an App, options to "close" "uninstall" and "go to App home" to give apps more consistency. Some features need to be more easily accessible... that sort of thing.

Hopefully, this isn't a dumb comment, but because you're new - you do know that the notification bar is a pull-down tool that gives quick access to whatever you're being notified about, yes?

And seriously - going for trilogy here - get QuickDesk. ;)

PS - Hope you see this.

While the Menu button is useful for nearly all apps - not all app developers provide the full set of features there - and it might be better for a lot of apps if they did.
 
I just felt that my Nexus came too stripped down... but I guess that's the point of it. The UI has some flaws. I would include in the notification bar, once you're in an App, options to "close" "uninstall" and "go to App home" to give apps more consistency. Some features need to be more easily accessible... that sort of thing.

I still think your not understanding the closing thing. Android isn't windows you don't need to close an app from an OS level unless the app is badly designed. As for Skype if you press the menu button is there not an exit or logout option? I'm sure that would stop it communicating in the background.

You've also asked about a pin several times. All (I think) android phones have a pattern lock:
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While I believe from 2.1 or 2.2 onwards they have a pin lock as well. You'll find this stuff in Settings > Locations & Security > Set up Screen Lock

The user guide for android 2.3 can be found here:
Android 2.3 User Manual

Hope this helps, I also thoroughly recommend Launcher Pro to replace the stock home launcher.
Also as your a UI Expert ;) I figure you might want to stick with stock android so it' easier for you to customize your homescreens as you like:
Check out the home screen thread for ideas here.

Good Luck!
 
I just felt that my Nexus came too stripped down... but I guess that's the point of it. The UI has some flaws. I would include in the notification bar, once you're in an App, options to "close" "uninstall" and "go to App home" to give apps more consistency. Some features need to be more easily accessible... that sort of thing.

The Nexus one/S are pretty much as stock as you can get.
The notification area options are an interesting idea.... similar to some Sense incarnations and what Cyanogen added in the latest version.
Pulling down the notification shade you can turn on/off wifi , bluetooth, GPS, and sound.
Propose it to Google.. it can't hurt.

In most apps you can simply hit the back key to go to it's main screen.
The Nexus line of phones are very appealing to me, personally.
I like the stock look.. to me it's 'clean' - they don't have widgets on every screen top to bottom.
 
I just felt that my Nexus came too stripped down... but I guess that's the point of it. The UI has some flaws. I would include in the notification bar, once you're in an App, options to "close" "uninstall" and "go to App home" to give apps more consistency. Some features need to be more easily accessible... that sort of thing.

There's an called Smart Bar which has an option that lets you have a "close" button on the notification bar. Comes in handy from time to time.
 
Maybe I didn't say it loud enough.

I stated on the previous page that the remainder of this thread is for discussing UIs - and not what we think of people.

This is the final warning on this.

Infractions are next.
 
I'm sorry to conseed, but I describe Android as a 'geek choice so far, I think it will change' when people ask about my srange phone = not an iPhone (htc desire since march 2010) In my daughters class, the parents use 45% iphone, 10% dumbphone, 35% clever phone and 10% android. When people ask me for advice, I simply cannot advice android ovrr ios.
 
what's the widget on from the top right corner down? me likey!

It's part of power control +.. a great deal for 2.99

I'm sorry to conseed, but I describe Android as a 'geek choice so far, I think it will change' when people ask about my srange phone = not an iPhone (htc desire since march 2010) In my daughters class, the parents use 45% iphone, 10% dumbphone, 35% clever phone and 10% android. When people ask me for advice, I simply cannot advice android ovrr ios.



On a side note.. what in the world is a "clever phone" o.O, second, your spelling gave me a headache :(
 
It's part of power control +.. a great deal for 2.99

Cool gonna give it a try. Been wanting something similar actually.

On a side note.. what in the world is a "clever phone" o.O, second, your spelling gave me a headache :(

Guessing "clever phone" = smart phone

Also, I see you have the Sense like dock for LP (right?). Where did you get that from?
 
Hopefully, this isn't a dumb comment, but because you're new - you do know that the notification bar is a pull-down tool that gives quick access to whatever you're being notified about, yes?

Yes, I know. I'm saying that it would be a good place to include additional functions for when you are using an app to give some uniformity across apps (close, uninstall, home). Consistency is key... right now when I'm using an app I feel disoriented because they all look and behave so differently.

What I do for a living is redesign websites to increase conversion rates. (in Europe, not here...I'm not American but I'm in NYC at the moment) Reducing the number of clicks during checkout from five to two can increase conversion rates by 800%. Having to click five times "back" to reach an apps home is unacceptable.

You can't convince me that there should be no (easily) accessible "close" or "kill" button for apps. I'm sure all apps misbehave at one point or another...
 
Yes, I know. I'm saying that it would be a good place to include additional functions for when you are using an app to give some uniformity across apps (close, uninstall, home). Consistency is key... right now when I'm using an app I feel disoriented because they all look and behave so differently.

What I do for a living is redesign websites to increase conversion rates. (in Europe, not here...I'm not American but I'm in NYC at the moment) Reducing the number of clicks during checkout from five to two can increase conversion rates by 800%. Having to click five times "back" to reach an apps home is unacceptable.

You can't convince me that there should be no (easily) accessible "close" or "kill" button for apps. I'm sure all apps misbehave at one point or another...

Not sure if you saw the post about the app Smart Bar, but it can do some of the things you're asking about. I agree that having something similar native to the phone would be nice. But in my opinion, being able to use Android successfully you have to get apps/widgets, because those are what makes Android different from others (among other things).
 
Yes, I know. I'm saying that it would be a good place to include additional functions for when you are using an app to give some uniformity across apps (close, uninstall, home). Consistency is key... right now when I'm using an app I feel disoriented because they all look and behave so differently.

What I do for a living is redesign websites to increase conversion rates. (in Europe, not here...I'm not American but I'm in NYC at the moment) Reducing the number of clicks during checkout from five to two can increase conversion rates by 800%. Having to click five times "back" to reach an apps home is unacceptable.

You can't convince me that there should be no (easily) accessible "close" or "kill" button for apps. I'm sure all apps misbehave at one point or another...

You seem to be focused on wanting to kill apps.
Android apps don't need to be closed.

Get it? Also, this is not a website. Yes, I also do websites and your right, the least amount of clicks while buying something is better. Why?
Psychology

It gives them less time for buyer's remorse. On all my e-stores it's a two page checkout. Cart --> Enter Shipping & Billing-> Confirm. (done)

I don't even bother with user accounts on most sites.

But Android, and other OPERATING SYSTEMS should not, and can not be designed with this kind of simplicity in mind. There's more than 2 or 3 functions that can be had, such as a website.

So in short, the problem here is your frame of mind. This is not a website, this is an OPERATING SYSTEM, and yes while there are some things that need to be improved here and there, overall it is a very solid experience, and things are where they should be.

The notification bar is the best I've ever seen. It's simply genius. There isn't a mobile OS out right now that handles notifications as well as Android does. Period. And no, it shouldn't be cluttered up with unnecessary app close buttons, because Android doesn't need them.

And btw, I'm also going to call BS on your $500/hr claim, because nobody I know, or know of, in the industry makes that kind of money, nor should they. Especially if all you do is simple e-commerce stuff most likely with Open Cart, Drupal, or god forbid OSCommerce.
 
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