Android OS horribly crippled?

[SulkyAndroid17]

That being said, I've run Slackware linux on x86, sparc, and Alpha over the last 15 years.

Okay? Again, Linux is a kernel, not an operating system. You might as well compare Windows and Mac to Android.

I don't think an aftermarket ROM is going to help, I believe I am disallowed that as well as as tethering or rooting the phone by the User Agreement.

TOS are vague enough that Straight Talk could do just about anything they wanted to you. Straight Talk barely allows you to even watch YouTube. At most Straight Talk will just shut you're service off. Let's say you bought a computer. You wouldn't let the store tell you that you're not allowed to have administrator rights or use the OS of your choice, would you? I think the same should hold true for smartphones.

 

[chanchan05]

I agree that the OP's issue has nothing to do with Android the OS as much as it has to do with his phone. I am still using a 2year old Galaxy S variant on stock ROM and I don't experience the issues he mentioned. The only ones that I have experienced crashing are more recent games like Subway Surfers and Bad Piggies, but its a given that my phone has barely enough RAM ro handle these after the customization I've made.

The main differences being I have a former flagship device, which means Samsung gave more effort on this unit, unlike yours which is not an LG flagship device.

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[heviarti]

Alright, here's one for you... I know this is definitely software: in Browser hit a letter key. The letter hit appears in the search bar. If you continue typing the highlighted letter is deleted by the next letter typed. You end up with spurious crud like 'hevrolet trucks'.

And what's the deal with not supplying adequate storage on the phone, then B

 

[Demache]

Alright, here's one for you... I know this is definitely software: in Browser hit a letter key. The letter hit appears in the search bar. If you continue typing the highlighted letter is deleted by the next letter typed. You end up with spurious crud like 'hevrolet trucks'.

And what's the deal with not supplying adequate storage on the phone, then B

 

[Bnice]

Android is far from cripple, you can't use a low end Android device to define the OS. First things first you have many options to choose from when purchasing a Android device. From low end, mid-range to the top of the line not to mention the different manufactures that put their own twist to the OS. Something to think about,your on 2.3 and the OS has advance to 4.2.

LG Optimus Zip Specifications | Features List

 

[SulkyAndroid17]

Alright, here's one for you... I know this is definitely software: in Browser hit a letter key. The letter hit appears in the search bar. If you continue typing the highlighted letter is deleted by the next letter typed. You end up with spurious crud like 'hevrolet trucks'.

I don't think I understand. It's normal for highlighted letters to disappear when you type over them. Try it in Chrome, Microsoft word, or this forum.

And what's the deal with not supplying adequate storage on the phone, then B

 

[lightsleeper23]

Alright, here's one for you... I know this is definitely software: in Browser hit a letter key. The letter hit appears in the search bar. If you continue typing the highlighted letter is deleted by the next letter typed. You end up with spurious crud like 'hevrolet trucks'.

And what's the deal with not supplying adequate storage on the phone, then Børking the ability to send text messages when it runs out? The only non-stock apps I have on the internal storage are facebook and france 24, and all I have left is 18 meg (which should be enough to save about a million text messages in). It really doesn't make much sense; much like basic software functionality differing by architecture.

No. That is not androids fault. Again, that is the phone. You don't think everybody's phone deletes letters at random while they're typing do you? And the low memory is just because of the cheap phone too. Hey I had an optimus q a year and a half ago, with the slide out keyboard. It had the same issues. Except the low memory, because I had an sd card and put my apps and everything on that. Not much you can do about the physical keyboard. But you can try a different on screen keyboard from the play store like touchpal or something and that MIGHT even help.

 

[chanchan05]

Alright, here's one for you... I know this is definitely software: in Browser hit a letter key. The letter hit appears in the search bar. If you continue typing the highlighted letter is deleted by the next letter typed. You end up with spurious crud like 'hevrolet trucks'.

And what's the deal with not supplying adequate storage on the phone, then B

 

[Stuntman]

LG is not the only company and Android is not the only OS where manufacturers can skimp on hardware that results in a poor experience. I had a Nokia N97 and it had some issues that were partly due to lack of hardware that is capable of handling all of the software they tried to cram into it. Their lower end, mini version had better hardware and ran better.

 

[heviarti]

I did in fact install a 32 gig card, and moved everything off I could. Unfortunately neither France 24 nor Facebook will allow themselves to be moved out of the internal memory. Also, I can't use the dev kit trick because I don't have a windows box to install it on. Pretty much everything I have is either Linux, bsd, or some type of commercial unix. When I got it I had plus/minus 50 free meg. I think the biggest app I installed other than Facebook was about ten meg (mx player). I've avoided frippery like games; after hearing about fruit ninja I looked at it, and it was 20 meg.

I agree it's normal to delete highlighted text, I just don't think that it's normal that new user input would be hilighted for deletion. It doesn't make sense. If the default behavior when you start typing is to fill the search entry field, then immediately deleting that text is counterproductive.

I've been attempting to come up with the Kbox tarball, to couple with my terminal emulator. For some reason downloading it consistently barfs. Fact of the matter is anything other than an image, a PDF, or things downloaded via google play seem to barf. Bluetooth works alright except for file transfers to anything other than a phone device. It would be nice to be able to shuttle files to and from my iPad with the phone, but that seems to barf too.

Even if i could be free of the TOS, I don't know how likely one is to brick their phone replacing their ROM. I can't necessarily zorch my phone right now. I'm also told this particular variant has been patched more heavily against 'tampering'.

 

[lightsleeper23]

I did in fact install a 32 gig card, and moved everything off I could. Unfortunately neither France 24 nor Facebook will allow themselves to be moved out of the internal memory. Also, I can't use the dev kit trick because I don't have a windows box to install it on. Pretty much everything I have is either Linux, bsd, or some type of commercial unix. When I got it I had plus/minus 50 free meg. I think the biggest app I installed other than Facebook was about ten meg (mx player). I've avoided frippery like games; after hearing about fruit ninja I looked at it, and it was 20 meg.

I agree it's normal to delete highlighted text, I just don't think that it's normal that new user input would be hilighted for deletion. It doesn't make sense. If the default behavior when you start typing is to fill the search entry field, then immediately deleting that text is counterproductive.

I've been attempting to come up with the Kbox tarball, to couple with my terminal emulator. For some reason downloading it consistently barfs. Fact of the matter is anything other than an image, a PDF, or things downloaded via google play seem to barf. Bluetooth works alright except for file transfers to anything other than a phone device. It would be nice to be able to shuttle files to and from my iPad with the phone, but that seems to barf too.

Even if i could be free of the TOS, I don't know how likely one is to brick their phone replacing their ROM. I can't necessarily zorch my phone right now. I'm also told this particular variant has been patched more heavily against 'tampering'.

I had the same problems downloading things on my optimus q. Weird. Any song or anything I wanted to download I had to use my GFs phone and bluetooth it back to mine. The bluetooth seemed to work fine though, my phone just wouldn't let me download anything other than images, or from google play, just like yours. I don't know what the deal is with those cheap LG sliders.

 

[chanchan05]

On my phone, new user input is NOT highlighted. As for downloading, I've had not much trouble. As far as I can see, your problems don't occur on higher end devices, and may just be an issue of a skimped upon device.

 

[SulkyAndroid17]

I had the same problems downloading things on my optimus q. Weird. Any song or anything I wanted to download I had to use my GFs phone and bluetooth it back to mine. The bluetooth seemed to work fine though, my phone just wouldn't let me download anything other than images, or from google play, just like yours. I don't know what the deal is with those cheap LG sliders.

It's really not that weird you had the same problems. When you compare the two phones you'll find they're essentially the same.

 

[lightsleeper23]

It's really not that weird you had the same problems. When you compare the two phones you'll find they're essentially the same.

Yeah that's why I keep bringing it up. I haven't had that phone for a long time. But it being almost the same, I thought I'd share my very similar troubles with it, highlighting the fact that it's just that phone, not Android.

 

[dylane]

I have a Galaxy Note 2, running 4.1.1 and have pretty much all of the problems that the OP has. Copy/paste is incredibly finicky and seems to be somewhat app dependent rather than supported in the same way across the system. Using the handles to select an exact word or phrase so that you can copy into another app generally takes longer than just retyping the word. And trying to precisely copy over more than a screenful of text...just forget it, I'll wait until I'm on my laptop.

And typing into this forum is next to impossible, the cursor jumps around in the middle of typing and suddenly starts putting the letters at the beginning of the text box and at the end at the same time. I've experienced this with multiple keyboards and using Firefox and either Dolphin or Opera. Again, I just prefer to wait and use my laptop.

There are a ton of other small items where Android is missing basic functionality that has been in desktop OSes for as long as I can remember. Stuff like being able to choose where a file is saved, or which program you want to open an attachment with. And that's before you get into the utter mess that "multitasking" is.

I've had my phone for a little over 2 months, and I'm starting to get slightly more used to it and I don't want to throw it out the window quite as often as I used to (the fact that the email program forgot my Exchange password at 7am this morning and rang constantly until I managed to add it back was a notable exception). But mostly this is due to vastly lowered expectations on my part. I had bee looking for a mobile device that could take the place of a laptop on trips (I know this is possible since I'd been using a 4" Nokia tablet for just this purpose for the last 5 years). The Note 2 is not that device. There are a lot of neat things you can do with it using apps, and a lot of the deficiencies in the OS can also be semi-fixed with 3rd party apps, but the underlying OS has left me deeply unimpressed.

 

[chanchan05]

This website was never optimized for mobile use. It has an Android app, or you can access it via Tapatalk.

 

[dylane]

This website was never optimized for mobile use. It has an Android app, or you can access it via Tapatalk.

But a website doesn't need to be "optimized" for mobile use to work well on a mobile. I used plenty of vbulletin sites on a tablet with a 4" screen using the full desktop site, and it worked fine. And I shouldn't have to use a separate app for every type of website I want to visit.

 

[zuben el genub]

Same here. Some sites leave stuff out on the mobile version. I use the desktop version even on the Nexus S.

 

[Liamo_210]

But a website doesn't need to be "optimized" for mobile use to work well on a mobile. I used plenty of vbulletin sites on a tablet with a 4" screen using the full desktop site, and it worked fine. And I shouldn't have to use a separate app for every type of website I want to visit.

This I understand but all well made sites work fine on my phones. Also talpatalk can be used for a lot of different forums. I feel that the bottom line is if you want flawless performance cash out on a flawless device like the nexus 4 s3 note 2 HTC one optimus g or droid DNA.

 

[dylane]

This I understand but all well made sites work fine on my phones. Also talpatalk can be used for a lot of different forums. I feel that the bottom line is if you want flawless performance cash out on a flawless device like the nexus 4 s3 note 2 HTC one optimus g or droid DNA.

I have the Note 2, and performance is far from flawless. The hardware generally seems fine, but the software problems can't be fixed by stellar hardware alone. I'm not talking about "buttery smoothness" which is something I really don't care much about. I'm talking about general functionality that is either missing or implemented so badly as to be mostly useless.

 

[heviarti]

Hah! Yes! Someone else has noticed that copy and paste is a little hinky. And yes, more than a page and less than the whole document is pretty much impossible. How about the goofy upward pointing blue arrow that periodically appears while trying to work with text or copy and paste?

I see you've also noticed the cursor bounce and the field jump. Tell me, dylane, have you been fouled up by the discard button in the email app yet? No confirmation, and no way to pull a discarded message out of the trash; the moment you select the message, it deletes itself.


I too avoid downloading an app for every forum I'm on. That would really suck, and waste huge quantities of space.

 

[dylane]

I see you've also noticed the cursor bounce and the field jump. Tell me, dylane, have you been fouled up by the discard button in the email app yet? No confirmation, and no way to pull a discarded message out of the trash; the moment you select the message, it deletes itself.

I haven't seen this issue, but the email app is done by the mfg I believe, so this is one area where our experiences are likely pretty different. I've had a few issues with the email client on my GN2 (like the issue I'm having right now where it forgets my Exchange password every couple of hours) but overall it has probably been one of the better experiences on the phone (as long as I don't need to do any copy and paste or attach a document that is!)

 

[chanchan05]

I have the Note 2, and performance is far from flawless. The hardware generally seems fine, but the software problems can't be fixed by stellar hardware alone. I'm not talking about "buttery smoothness" which is something I really don't care much about. I'm talking about general functionality that is either missing or implemented so badly as to be mostly useless.

Have you tried different browsers? It may simply be a browser issue.

 

[dylane]

Have you tried different browsers? It may simply be a browser issue.

I have Firefox, Opera, and Dolphin installed. For the issue with the forum I've had issues on this site with Firefox for sure and I know I briefly tried one of the other browsers and also had problems with text entry...but I can't recall which one I tried.

All the browsers I have work pretty OK for just browsing, and I don't think I've really tried doing much text entry on any other site using my GN2. I did use other vbulletin sites with a Droid 4 for a bit without too much issue, and used my N800 for years on various forums, so this might just be an issue with this site, or an issue with my particular phone.

 

[Frisco]

Same here. Some sites leave stuff out on the mobile version. I use the desktop version even on the Nexus S.

Perfect speed and rendering in desktop version on my Note 2 (and of course the Galaxy Tab 2 7" ).

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