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Android Refugee: Not Happy . . .

GeorgeinLA

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UPDATE: I took our iPhones back today within the 14 day grace period for a full refund. I don't know what phone we'll get instead, for now i'm just going to wait and see how much longer we can
last with our D2's.

I realize I'm probably spitting into the wind here, but I need to rant. I've been a big fan of the Android OS ever since buying D2's for my wife and I two and a half years ago. I've really enjoyed all of the power and customization features of Android, and I was all set to "re-up" with new phones. But I'm now six months past my contract renewal date, and our phones are getting pretty long in the tooth, and yet, there's nothing in the Android lineup that's really appealing. Our requirements are fairly straightforward: solid spec's, latest software, physical keyboard, fits comfortably in the hand and pocket.

OK, there is/was the Droid 4, but they just got the ICS update, which tells me that the Jelly Bean update is a long ways off, if it ever happens. Do I really want to lock myself into a two-year contract on a phone that is on the verge of becoming yesterday's news, forgotten by even its maker? Plus, they changed the form factor into a big ugly phone that doesn't fit the docks I bought for the D2. There's Photon Q which is similar, maybe slightly updated, but that's Sprint, and I see no point in buying a 4G phone when Spring doesn't and won't have 4G in my area anytime soon. Samsung Stratosphere will probably never see ICS, much less Jelly Bean. After that, you start getting into cheap (unreliable) brands like Pantech and Kyocera, and/or other phones with below-par spec's/build quality. HTC just flat out refuses to make a phone with a keyboard these days.

The upshot is that if I want to buy an Android phone with a physical keyboard that runs the latest version of the OS, or is at least likely to in the near future, with a decent build quality and good spec's (a perfect description, by the way, of my D2 when I bought it), I can't do it. I've run all kinds of searches for what's coming down the pike, and there seems little hope that things will change anytime soon.

OK, so I can drop the keyboard as a requirement, and then I have a lot more choices, but at that point, why not just get an iPhone? I don't need or want a 4.7 inch screen, or the ability to transmit data by "bumping" my phone into another phone, or Dr. Dre's vision of the proper EQ for audio, nor am I particularly stoked to pay $200-300 even with a contract. My local Target offered an I-Phone 4 with 16 gigs for $30 on a two-year Verizon contract. It has a good camera, a good screen, and a nice-looking, good-sized form factor. It runs the latest version of iOS and in all likelihood will continue to do so at least through end of our contract.

So there you have it. We're three days or so into the 14-day grace period. I'm still considering returning them and picking up Androids, but unless something really compelling gets announced in the next ten days, probably not. Hopefully, two years from now, things will be better. :mad:
 
Hold up an S3 against the iPhone and it completely blows it away. If you drop the keyboard as a requirements then the S3 is the answer. Sorry but if you are looking for sympathy to get an iPhone, specially with some of the android super phones out there you won't get it here.
 
The S3 is great, but for my purposes, it's too big. I don't need a screen that big, don't play games or watch movies in my phone. I also would've had to pay four or five times more for it than what I paid.
 
The way you said "why not just get an iPhone" sounded like you're assuming that the be-all end-all phone without a keyboard is the iPhone, which is just wrong..
 
My buddy had a Iphone thought sprint he loved it for the first month. After that he hated the thing enough to sell it on ebay and use the money to break contract so he could come back to android.

He basically said the Iphone was great but it was like dating someone then moving in with them. Once the novelty wore off the phone was not what he really wanted and felt very restricted.

I don't mean this as hostile but with your list of requirements almost sounds like your trying to justify getting the IPhone.

The Iphone does not have a physical keyboard
The Iphone specs are not even released on the website (Makes me wonder what the processor is running at and the memory)

Most likely the Iphone will continue to get the latest version of IOS from Apple.

More I read the post more confused I get you did not wanna go sprint because you didnt want a 4g phone with out 4g service. The Iphone does not offer 4g service obviously.

Why does that make it less desirable then a 4G android running on 3G service? Most manufactures are making there flagship phones 4G. Most the people who would buy the higher end phones (250-300) would expect this to be included.

I am just trying to give u a different point of view. I know personally there have been things I have wanted. Then someone comes out and goes dude do you really want this or do you think you want. Then I sit down think about it and its like nope I sure don't want it. In fact this forum pointed that out to me the other day.

I was looking at a Coolpad phone and had pretty much made my mind up I had to have the 4inch screen. I also made my mind up the other specs I could live with and they where not that bad. The more I read thought the more I realized I was just trying to justify buying the phone I thought I wanted. I ended up going with the LG Motion and I must say I am extremely happy and really glad I did.

Sorry for the rambling and in either case make sure you do what makes you happy your the one that has to live with the phone, just know that your extremely locked down with the IOS. The IPhone 5 is due to release next year. I am not sure if that would have any affect on updates to the phone.
 
My buddy had a Iphone thought sprint he loved it for the first month. After that he hated the thing enough to sell it on ebay and use the money to break contract so he could come back to android.

He basically said the Iphone was great but it was like dating someone then moving in with them. Once the novelty wore off the phone was not what he really wanted and felt very restricted.

I don't mean this as hostile but with your list of requirements almost sounds like your trying to justify getting the IPhone.

The Iphone does not have a physical keyboard
The Iphone specs are not even released on the website (Makes me wonder what the processor is running at and the memory)

Most likely the Iphone will continue to get the latest version of IOS from Apple.

More I read the post more confused I get you did not wanna go sprint because you didnt want a 4g phone with out 4g service. The Iphone does not offer 4g service obviously.

Why does that make it less desirable then a 4G android running on 3G service? Most manufactures are making there flagship phones 4G. Most the people who would buy the higher end phones (250-300) would expect this to be included.

I am just trying to give u a different point of view. I know personally there have been things I have wanted. Then someone comes out and goes dude do you really want this or do you think you want. Then I sit down think about it and its like nope I sure don't want it. In fact this forum pointed that out to me the other day.

I was looking at a Coolpad phone and had pretty much made my mind up I had to have the 4inch screen. I also made my mind up the other specs I could live with and they where not that bad. The more I read thought the more I realized I was just trying to justify buying the phone I thought I wanted. I ended up going with the LG Motion and I must say I am extremely happy and really glad I did.

Sorry for the rambling and in either case make sure you do what makes you happy your the one that has to live with the phone, just know that your extremely locked down with the IOS. The IPhone 5 is due to release next year. I am not sure if that would have any affect on updates to the phone.

Thanks for the reply. I don't agree that my "requirements" describe an iPhone. As I mentioned they perfectly described the Droid 2 when I bought them two and a half years ago. But given that Android makers have chosen not to meet those requirements this time around, it forces me to consider other options.
 
George, if you can drop the keyboard requirement, which it looks like you will, give the Incredible 4G a shot. It's the smallest of the 4G phones, has ICS on board (will likely get JB at some point) and seems to have a lot of support for it.
Droid Incredible 4G LTE review: Verizon gets an excellent smaller-sized Android phone -- Engadget
If you're willing to leave Verizon, it opens things up quite a bit, but for smaller, 4G Androids, the Dinc 4G is the one to go with.

I took a close look at that phone. It's certainly a good option, if I'm willing to forgo the keyboard. I would consider leaving Verizon, but I had a bad experience with AT&T and have heard bad things about sprint and t mobile.
 
I think it is a big mistake for Android OEM's to dismiss one of the biggest differentiators with the iphone. They are trying with huge screens but eventually you get to a point where the phone isn't very pocketable.
 
The S3 is great, but for my purposes, it's too big. I don't need a screen that big, don't play games or watch movies in my phone. I also would've had to pay four or five times more for it than what I paid.


You probably will need a larger screen to make up for the pain of typing on that screen.
 
I was looking at a Coolpad phone and had pretty much made my mind up I had to have the 4inch screen. I also made my mind up the other specs I could live with and they where not that bad. The more I read thought the more I realized I was just trying to justify buying the phone I thought I wanted. I ended up going with the LG Motion and I must say I am extremely happy and really glad I did.

About Coolpad phones, I'm in China so I see a lot of these. I think that these are very much budget Chinese phones. The screens are OK, but certainly not AMOLED, retina or IPS quality, some of them can be rather slow, weak CPUs, and may have buggy software, good luck with any updates. FYI www.coolpad.cn (Chinese only).
 
How big are you willing to get anyway? 4.5? 4.3? And define decent spec sheet, because well, a dual core phone is still decent.

An Atrix HD looks decent.

Motorola ATRIX HD MB886 - Full phone specifications

I'd probably be fine with a 4.0 or 4.4 inch screen. Solid spec's to me at this point are minimum 5 preferably 8 megapixel camera and at least a 1 ghz processor, again preferably a little higher.

Strangely, the rumored Galaxy S Blaze Q would've been a winner, but the expected release date of August 15 came and went without any news other than that it will be renamed the "Relay".
 
You probably will need a larger screen to make up for the pain of typing on that screen.

I was going to say something similar. If you decide you don't need a physical keyboard, then yes you should be considering these newer devices with their bigger screens. The size is there to make it decent to type on a touch screen.

I was like you after I owned my LG Ally I thought I never wanted anything without a keyboard. I resisted touch screens for a long time. Now I have a Bionic, which, much like the other phones you were worried about, is still waiting to get ICS and will probably never get official JellyBean. But, that's what rooting and ROMs are for, there's already a JellyBean rom that just needs to get it's camera and data working (same way the first ICS roms started out). Didn't take long to get used to typing on the screen. Swype and other shape-writing apps make it a whole lot easier. Now I'm perfectly happy that I don't have a little cheesy slideout keyboard anymore.

I thought my friend was lying to me when she told me there was no way to change the Snooze duration on her iPhone. I looked it up online and found out yep, that's how it is, and you can set two alarms instead if you don't like it, thus creating your own "snooze" effect. Or you can download apps that let you change the snooze, but still, if that's how restricted things are on the Apple devices, no thanks. I could set a custom snooze on a clock radio for the past 25 years. I guess Apple in their infinite wisdom decided the perfect snooze length for all human beings is 9 minutes or whatever the locked default is.

As others have said, your logic of "well if I can't have a keyboard I might as well get an iPhone" doesn't quite make sense. An iPhone isn't necessarily the best touch screen device out there.

If you're willing to drop the keyboard, and want 1ghz with a 5 or 8 MP camera, and you want the quickest Android updates, get a Galaxy Nexus. Also are you aware of the rumors that some time in the near future Google may switch to having more than 1 Nexus branded device available at once? Rumors say LG, Sony, and Samsung may all get Nexus devices at the same time and even maybe HTC and Moto too. I'd hate to get locked into a contract with an iPhone right now and then see all the Nexus devices coming out soon.
 
I'd probably be fine with a 4.0 or 4.4 inch screen. Solid spec's to me at this point are minimum 5 preferably 8 megapixel camera and at least a 1 ghz processor, again preferably a little higher.

Strangely, the rumored Galaxy S Blaze Q would've been a winner, but the expected release date of August 15 came and went without any news other than that it will be renamed the "Relay".

Well, sounds like you'd do well with a Galaxy SII. Still, I'd think you'd like to use a 4.3 or better screen because you will be lacking your physical keyboard. The larger screen allows for larger onscreen keys as well. I'd suggest one of the ff:

Galaxy Nexus
Atrix HD
Galaxy SII
HTC One X
HTC One S
Galaxy SIII
Razr Maxx
Evo 4G
Xperia S
Xperia SL

whichever is available for your carrier at the moment.

Oh yeah, I see some stores here in my country selling faux leather covers for the Galaxy Note with bluetooth keyboards built into them, so you may also want to check the Note out if you want.
 
I was going to say something similar. If you decide you don't need a physical keyboard, then yes you should be considering these newer devices with their bigger screens. The size is there to make it decent to type on a touch screen.

I was like you after I owned my LG Ally I thought I never wanted anything without a keyboard. I resisted touch screens for a long time. Now I have a Bionic, which, much like the other phones you were worried about, is still waiting to get ICS and will probably never get official JellyBean. But, that's what rooting and ROMs are for, there's already a JellyBean rom that just needs to get it's camera and data working (same way the first ICS roms started out). Didn't take long to get used to typing on the screen. Swype and other shape-writing apps make it a whole lot easier. Now I'm perfectly happy that I don't have a little cheesy slideout keyboard anymore.
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Not me. I need my slide out, especially for typing passwords. And certainly after I installed this nice HTML editor on my phone...
 
My local Target offered an I-Phone 4 with 16 gigs for $30 on a two-year Verizon contract. It has a good camera, a good screen, and a nice-looking, good-sized form factor. It runs the latest version of iOS and in all likelihood will continue to do so at least through end of our contract.

So you wrote an entire rant about how nothing super modern was available with a keyboard and then you go out and get a 2 year old phone that currently doesn't have all the features (and probably never will) of the current iOS? Maybe you meant to say you got a 4s? Sorry I'm just not seeing the logic in that. If you are gonna go the iphone route you might as well just wait for the new one.

If the way Apple handles stuff in the future is like they have in the past, there is a good chance that iphone 4(s) will claim it has the latest software but the most updated features will be stripped out or dumbed down. So your updates during the life of this new contract will probably not be the latest and greatest

The jump from ICS to JB was not that dramatic so I would guess the Droid 4 should get it by the end of the year. Certainly possible that it never gets it but I highly doubt it now that Google is in charge.

It seems you were willing to forgo the keyboard, so why not get a Galaxy Nexus? It has JB (or will have it as soon as VZW approves) and most likely will get the next update as well.
 
Android vs iPhone debate can go on forever. Each are unique but in the end your needs and likes dictate the outcome. Similar to PC vs Mac...Macs just work and are far easier and far better than any PC. I've never had a problem with any Mac. Never had a problem with the iphone either. Buy what you like and be happy. Of course nobody here will say Apple makes great products except a few people. Said my piece. The end.
 
I've got to say it...
Tiny Smart Phones are not the trend.
Sounds like your trying hard to convince yourself to buy an I-Phone.
Go ahead. But don't do it for the reason's you've listed.

Note: I- phones are going to a larger screen, like the Android screen.
The reason is because their users complain of problems reading documents or books.

When we went with the Droid Razr, I asked my wife if the larger size of the phone would be a deal breaker?
She said NO, but the smaller screen of the I-Phone might be.
We used a niece's Droid, and a nephew's I-Phone most of Christmas Day and decided
we liked the Droid better than the I-Phone. Pretty simple.
(That trial only cost a Ham, a Turkey and the trimmings...)

Bottom line is if you just want a smart phone and don't tinker, go with the I-Phone if the price is right.
I'm a tinker type, so I had an easy choice.
 
I was going to say something similar. If you decide you don't need a physical keyboard, then yes you should be considering these newer devices with their bigger screens. The size is there to make it decent to type on a touch screen.

I was like you after I owned my LG Ally I thought I never wanted anything without a keyboard. I resisted touch screens for a long time. Now I have a Bionic, which, much like the other phones you were worried about, is still waiting to get ICS and will probably never get official JellyBean. But, that's what rooting and ROMs are for, there's already a JellyBean rom that just needs to get it's camera and data working (same way the first ICS roms started out). Didn't take long to get used to typing on the screen. Swype and other shape-writing apps make it a whole lot easier. Now I'm perfectly happy that I don't have a little cheesy slideout keyboard anymore.

I thought my friend was lying to me when she told me there was no way to change the Snooze duration on her iPhone. I looked it up online and found out yep, that's how it is, and you can set two alarms instead if you don't like it, thus creating your own "snooze" effect. Or you can download apps that let you change the snooze, but still, if that's how restricted things are on the Apple devices, no thanks. I could set a custom snooze on a clock radio for the past 25 years. I guess Apple in their infinite wisdom decided the perfect snooze length for all human beings is 9 minutes or whatever the locked default is.

As others have said, your logic of "well if I can't have a keyboard I might as well get an iPhone" doesn't quite make sense. An iPhone isn't necessarily the best touch screen device out there.

If you're willing to drop the keyboard, and want 1ghz with a 5 or 8 MP camera, and you want the quickest Android updates, get a Galaxy Nexus. Also are you aware of the rumors that some time in the near future Google may switch to having more than 1 Nexus branded device available at once? Rumors say LG, Sony, and Samsung may all get Nexus devices at the same time and even maybe HTC and Moto too. I'd hate to get locked into a contract with an iPhone right now and then see all the Nexus devices coming out soon.

Well I updated my post that I took the iPhones back today. I'll probably get another Android, maybe as you say, get over the keyboard thing. For now, I'm going to wait and see how things develop over the next few weeks in terms of new phones and pricing.
 
So you wrote an entire rant about how nothing super modern was available with a keyboard and then you go out and get a 2 year old phone that currently doesn't have all the features (and probably never will) of the current iOS? Maybe you meant to say you got a 4s? Sorry I'm just not seeing the logic in that. If you are gonna go the iphone route you might as well just wait for the new one.

If the way Apple handles stuff in the future is like they have in the past, there is a good chance that iphone 4(s) will claim it has the latest software but the most updated features will be stripped out or dumbed down. So your updates during the life of this new contract will probably not be the latest and greatest

The jump from ICS to JB was not that dramatic so I would guess the Droid 4 should get it by the end of the year. Certainly possible that it never gets it but I highly doubt it now that Google is in charge.

It seems you were willing to forgo the keyboard, so why not get a Galaxy Nexus? It has JB (or will have it as soon as VZW approves) and most likely will get the next update as well.

Thanks for the feedback. I updated my post to note that I took the iPhones back, and don't yet know what we'll get instead. Yes, it's true it was sort of silly to end up with a two-year old phone, but I do think despite the issues that you stated, the chances of getting left out of updates by Apple is less than Android. That said, I found my iPhone to be significantly lavking in a number of imootant ways even compared to a D2 running Gingerbread. I'm well aware of some of the customization possibilities with Android, but would prefer not to spend too much time and nergy fiddling with that kind of thing.
 
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