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Anonymous - Message to the American People
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kevinrubio
Android Expert
I didn't make this lol but,
Basically The U.S president just singed a bill the void's the 1st Amendment . Which is Freedom Of Speech . This bill states if you are a enemy (Protester, thief, gang member, Raper, Illegal immigrants And many more ) to the state or country; Than the have the right (Police& Government) To put you directly in Jail With absolutely no trial of court. In other wise, if you get caught for doing something you didn't really do. You will go to jail for nothing, since you have no right to have a trial or freedom of speech .
Basically The U.S president just singed a bill the void's the 1st Amendment . Which is Freedom Of Speech . This bill states if you are a enemy (Protester, thief, gang member, Raper, Illegal immigrants And many more ) to the state or country; Than the have the right (Police& Government) To put you directly in Jail With absolutely no trial of court. In other wise, if you get caught for doing something you didn't really do. You will go to jail for nothing, since you have no right to have a trial or freedom of speech .
kevinrubio
Android Expert
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Haha i can't tell if it's sarcastic or not
The bill will be defeated or modified as soon as someone is locked up in accordance with this new bill. Not sure the sky is falling, yet. Having not read the bill, I'll reserve judgement.
Lots of bills and laws proposed and passed, are immediately changed because they are unfair and/or unconstitutional. A few years ago, a local politician tried to pass a law that said we must pay for rainwater because it is property of the state of Utah because it falls on the state of Utah. Had it passed, as soon as the first bills for rain start arriving en-mass, We the People will speak up and the law goes away.
As far as I am concerned, thieves, gang members, rapists, and illegal immigrants should be locked up. Not without a proper kangaroo court trial, perhaps. Illegals must be immediately arrested and put on a bus back to there they came from. They do not and should not have a trial.
I doubt you will see too many angry writers being locked up for publishing their views and opinions, however. Not unless they are inciting violence or calling for the violent overthrow of the government. I do not see the Miranda warnings going away when some of you are arrested (smiley) and I see lots of court cases being tossed out when people are arrested and were nor read the warning. Which is what some people are saying will happen.
Anyway, as soon as some politician supports your arrest and immediate jailing for expressing your views, that politician will not be reelected.
I did view the video the OP posted and it should be dismissed. OK, I did not see it all, I could not stop laughing. This 'Anonymous' group should be dismissed because they are silly. Have you all seen their other videos? Besides, whenever someone uses Mozart's Requiem and wears a mask, they are just worthless, I tell you what.
By the time the bill is endless parsed by fools with Internet connections; convoluted and reworded and twisted and mis-characterized by others and posted and re-posted . . Mr. Joe Average will think all hope is lost.
I will not loose sleep until the first blabbermouth or gang leader is arrested, tried in a dark room in a secret place, and is disappeared.
tommy_ed
Android Expert
Anonymous is no joke. These are the same guys who took down the entire Playstation network for two months. They've done a lot of other pretty impressive things as well, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
As for the bill, it's a DIRECT violation of the 4th amendment and I'm not even sure HOW it passed so well through the senate. As Jon Stewart put it: "I figured we at least get NINE senators, maybe a BAKER'S DOZEN voting against this bill, but SEVEN?!" lol
9to5cynic
Android Expert
^ not to mention the HB gary thing [this feb. if I'm not mistaken] (while the hack wasn't the most impressive, you can't argue with results 
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The government is becoming more and more disappointing/revolting/disgusting as time goes on. I'm sure there is a math function (maybe the 'Rome Effect') that describes this...
Y=2^(x/5) seems about right, not sure about the scale yet, working on it
)The government is becoming more and more disappointing/revolting/disgusting as time goes on. I'm sure there is a math function (maybe the 'Rome Effect') that describes this...
Y=2^(x/5) seems about right, not sure about the scale yet, working on it
karandpr
Android Expert
^ not to mention the HB gary thing [this feb. if I'm not mistaken] (while the hack wasn't the most impressive, you can't argue with results
The government is becoming more and more disappointing/revolting/disgusting as time goes on. I'm sure there is a math function (maybe the 'Rome Effect') that describes this...
Y=2^(x/5) seems about right, not sure about the scale yet, working on it
Not sure about it . are we to assume x=t ??
The relation between government and people is a sawtooth function IMO
tommy_ed
Android Expert
Not sure about it . are we to assume x=t ??
The relation between government and people is a sawtooth function IMO
richphitzwell
Well-Known Member
just to clarify it wasnt the president only. it was by both parties in congress. yup r and d alike. fact of the matter is they are the same party and have both decided the bill of rights is toilet paper. the scary thing is its the same people that wave the flag the most and preach about the constitution that tend to be the first to use that new toilet paper. this is not new though, but nobody in the last decade or two has even bothered to fight for the bill of rights, its just now that its becoming so obvious. oh i mean look north korea bad north korea...or was it iraq? no maybe ...
esthernrob
Android Enthusiast
there can be no an
richphitzwell
Well-Known Member
all i can say is we the people can learn from history or choose not to.
9to5cynic
Android Expert
^ They don't just blindly attack websites. Anonymous (not to be confused with lulzsec), generally has a purpose behind their behavior. In the past not only did they go after sex offenders and child predators, but they tend to be pretty much 100% behind an open Internet (a plus).
Also, a month ago or so they took down a child pornography site and leaked information about the members to officials.
Also, a month ago or so they took down a child pornography site and leaked information about the members to officials.
RottnJP
Well-Known Member
Yeah, though I would tend to agree that they're presentation leans a little to the overblown and melodramatic, I don't disagree with their concerns, and I think they are trying in their way to get people to pay a little more attention to some broad issues of concern.
On the other hand, people have so much inertia, and are so wrapped up in taking care of families, work, etc. on a daily basis I'm not sure how "actionable" some of these things are for many/most people. You can choose not to have a cell phone, drop off the grid, and go live in the boonies somewhere, but short of that, the government is so far up your junk already it's absurd. (Or could be, if they had any reason to care about you personally.)
It's kind of funny, though, when people get so up in arms over things like CIQ... Yet USA-PATRIOT has been doing the same effing thing to all of us since 9-11... And that's somehow o.k.? OTOH, the fact that you haven't been hearing more about USA-PATRIOT abuse may give you some consolation that the Fed's really don't give a rat's ass what you fap to.
I'm not sure what the tipping point is, though, or if the people in power will slowly self-correct... But it does remind me of a quote from someone or other... "Whenever you get mad as hell about it all, grab your rifle and head outside. If you are the only one there...it's not time yet."
So I do find what Anon is doing interesting... I'm just not sure as an individual anything I do really matters. So we get caught in that catch-22 where collective actions are needed to bring change, but we don't have the time as individuals to execute that. Or things aren't bad enough yet to get us to that point, or something.
Things like the TEA party and the Occupy movement may be first steps, but they didn't/don't have their act together enough to know what change they want to precipitate. They don't really have a plan, just a set of vague notions that things aren't balanced properly. I think that's particularly true of the Occupiers... The TP'ers have an agenda, they just don't realize it's not theirs.
The tremendous irony in the fact that the insurance companies really fronted the money needed to get the TP off the ground to kill off the Obama health care initiative seems to be lost on many... And now there are a bunch of blue collar, "salt of the Earth" working folks who think a flat tax is a *good* idea, when it's exactly the opposite of what they should be supporting.... Blows my mind.
But we digress...
<sigh> <grabs rifle, checks outside>
Not time yet, apparently.
On the other hand, people have so much inertia, and are so wrapped up in taking care of families, work, etc. on a daily basis I'm not sure how "actionable" some of these things are for many/most people. You can choose not to have a cell phone, drop off the grid, and go live in the boonies somewhere, but short of that, the government is so far up your junk already it's absurd. (Or could be, if they had any reason to care about you personally.)
It's kind of funny, though, when people get so up in arms over things like CIQ... Yet USA-PATRIOT has been doing the same effing thing to all of us since 9-11... And that's somehow o.k.? OTOH, the fact that you haven't been hearing more about USA-PATRIOT abuse may give you some consolation that the Fed's really don't give a rat's ass what you fap to.
I'm not sure what the tipping point is, though, or if the people in power will slowly self-correct... But it does remind me of a quote from someone or other... "Whenever you get mad as hell about it all, grab your rifle and head outside. If you are the only one there...it's not time yet."
So I do find what Anon is doing interesting... I'm just not sure as an individual anything I do really matters. So we get caught in that catch-22 where collective actions are needed to bring change, but we don't have the time as individuals to execute that. Or things aren't bad enough yet to get us to that point, or something.
Things like the TEA party and the Occupy movement may be first steps, but they didn't/don't have their act together enough to know what change they want to precipitate. They don't really have a plan, just a set of vague notions that things aren't balanced properly. I think that's particularly true of the Occupiers... The TP'ers have an agenda, they just don't realize it's not theirs.
The tremendous irony in the fact that the insurance companies really fronted the money needed to get the TP off the ground to kill off the Obama health care initiative seems to be lost on many... And now there are a bunch of blue collar, "salt of the Earth" working folks who think a flat tax is a *good* idea, when it's exactly the opposite of what they should be supporting.... Blows my mind.
But we digress...
<sigh> <grabs rifle, checks outside>
Not time yet, apparently.
Yeah. No. Anonymous is anarchical and leadership and policies such as you're attributing to them - would be anti-anarchical.
Anonymous goes after anyone who pisses them off, bad guy or good guy, doesn't matter. And sometimes they go after people or sites because the day ends in a y.
Can0dope
Android Enthusiast
Well, your kind of right... Simply for one reason: Anonymous is anybody/nobody.
Anyone can go on AnonOps IRC and suggest an Op... Those who decide to participate can, those who disagree don't. And then it goes on under the Anon flag. But the whole of Anonymous cannot be held responsible for the actions of the few, usually "new***s" wanting to take down Facebook or Twitter or something. The main purpose of Anonymous is to protect the people against censorship.
Just my 2 cents...
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Yeah, right. Until you go after them publicly, then they can/could/will go after you in order to shut you the hell up. Kinda like those clinic bombers thinking that abortion is murder so they blow up a clinic and end up killing someone.
take the time to read the bill instead of listening to the media heads.
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf
also,
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112s1867es/pdf/BILLS-112s1867es.pdf
also,
Bob Maxey
Android Expert
Just heard a report about this group. They admitted via their Twitter feed to hacking some web sites and stealing thousands of credit card numbers and personal info. Some of their victims include Apple and the U.S. Air Force.