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Any NCAAM BB fans here?

Congrats on getting in. Luck to you as well in the tourney. Missouri can be tough so be ready. Their seed was a bit off.. agreed. In fact, I agree with all that you've said. This year's seeding committee had their heads where the sun doesn't shine.
I watch a lot of NCAAM basketball as well. I am far from an expert by any stretch but this is the worst thought out tournament in my memory. I seldom agree with the seeds... and there is always a case to be made for those that are left out.. but this years bracket could have been seeded better by my wife who chooses her teams by the looks of their jerseys. I see no conceivable way Colorado was left out of the dance. I'm a huge KU fan so I naturally follow the big 12 in a big way. I just knew Colorado was getting in.. just wondered how high the seed. Personally, I think they should have been seeded over KSU who they beat three times this year... and yet...KSU ends up with a five seed and Colorado is NIT bound. Colorado came within a breath of beating KU, they beat 11 seed Missouri, they beat 4 seed Texas, and they beat 5 seed K State three time. Man I don't get it. My only hope is this year's seeding is so poor that there will be some outcry for a more knowledgeable/fair seeding committee next year.
 
hooo where to start...

SDSU and U of Maryland alum here. PAC-10 fan living near the center of ACC and CAA country. ODU and Hampton Univ are short drives from my house also.

cant' wait 'til Thursday! let's get this dance started!

i agree olbriar, Colorado got screwed. that new 68 team format didn't even come close to helping this year. same case can be made for Va Tech.
 
I forgot to add to my vent the fact that Ohio State earned the #1 over all seed and yet ended up with the most difficult quarter of the bracket. Don't get me wrong.. I'm a KU fan and have no true bitch here but... what's gained in getting the #1 over all if you aren't given an eaier path than the other three #1s. If I was OSU.. I'd be pissed.
 
olbriar said:
I forgot to add to my vent the fact that Ohio State earned the #1 over all seed and yet ended up with the most difficult quarter of the bracket. Don't get me wrong.. I'm a KU fan and have no true bitch here but... what's gained in getting the #1 over all if you aren't given an eaier path than the other three #1s. If I was OSU.. I'd be pissed.
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yes, and Pitt getting the last #1 seed got the easiest bracket.
 
olbriar said:
Congrats on getting in. Luck to you as well in the tourney. Missouri can be tough so be ready. Their seed was a bit off.. agreed. In fact, I agree with all that you've said. This year's seeding committee had their heads where the sun doesn't shine.
I watch a lot of NCAAM basketball as well. I am far from an expert by any stretch but this is the worst thought out tournament in my memory. I seldom agree with the seeds... and there is always a case to be made for those that are left out.. but this years bracket could have been seeded better by my wife who chooses her teams by the looks of their jerseys. I see no conceivable way Colorado was left out of the dance. I'm a huge KU fan so I naturally follow the big 12 in a big way. I just knew Colorado was getting in.. just wondered how high the seed. Personally, I think they should have been seeded over KSU who they beat three times this year... and yet...KSU ends up with a five seed and Colorado is NIT bound. Colorado came within a breath of beating KU, they beat 11 seed Missouri, they beat 4 seed Texas, and they beat 5 seed K State three time. Man I don't get it. My only hope is this year's seeding is so poor that there will be some outcry for a more knowledgeable/fair seeding committee next year.
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I agree Missouri is a tough first round matchup and they most definitely are better than an 11 seed. I know they struggle with physical teams that slow it down and can rebound the ball, which are two of Cincinnati's strengths. They also do a good job taking care of the ball, which is extremely important against a team that thrives on turnovers and pressure.

I see where you are coming from about Colorado and Kansas State did not deserve that high of a seed but here is what I can glean on Colorado's exclusion. They played a weak non-conference schedule with their top opponents being Georgia, Oregon State, New Mexico and Indiana, with only Georgia being a tournament team and they lost that game. They also lost big at Harvard (a solid team but still a bad loss), at San Francisco and at home to New Mexico. If you want to be a tournament team you need to do more than just have some big conference wins. If you play a weak non-conference schedule, which my favorite team Cincinnati did, make sure you win all those games. You can't schedule mediocre major conference teams and mid-major teams and lose 4 of those games.

Colorado has a beef but they can only blame their scheduling and uninspired play against clearly weaker teams. UAB had a weak resume too but they were regular season champions of their conference. Also VCU and Clemson challenged themselves with scheduling as Clemson played Old Dominion, Michigan, Florida State and College of Charleston (NIT team but very good mid major) in addition to their tough conference foes. The first three teams are all NCAA tournament teams and while they didn't win all of them they scheduled tougher.

Kansas State did lose to Colorado three times but also had a huge win over Kansas, and played Virginia Tech, Duke, Gonzaga, Washington State, Florida, and UNLV in the non-conference. VT and Washington State were both bubble teams and the others all tournament teams, with Duke and Florida being a 1 and 2 seed respectively. Everything else being equal I think scheduling is the culprit for Colorado.
 
Colorado definitely deserved to be in over several teams. Proves NCAA is a sham.

And arguing for UAB is worthless. Sure they scheduled Duke, but they got slaughtered. So schedule impossible matchups, get slaughtered? That's how you get in?

There is absolutely no excuse for Colorado to not be in, especially with garbage like UAB and VCU selected.

6 top 50 wins by Colorado. Sweep Kansas State (3 wins) and K-State gets 5 seed?

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Anybody watching the NIT. My local U is playing Va Tech this morning. Down two at half. There are some taleted teams in the NIT. Fun to watch even though it's not the big dance.
 
jamor said:
Colorado definitely deserved to be in over several teams. Proves NCAA is a sham.

And arguing for UAB is worthless. Sure they scheduled Duke, but they got slaughtered. So schedule impossible matchups, get slaughtered? That's how you get in?

There is absolutely no excuse for Colorado to not be in, especially with garbage like UAB and VCU selected.

6 top 50 wins by Colorado. Sweep Kansas State (3 wins) and K-State gets 5 seed?

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VCU not so garbage now are they?
 
I, too, was upset that VCU made it in over Colorado. They have played well and have proven they belong in the dance. It seems apparent, at least this year, that the committee was far more clever than my self on potential. However, they aren't supposed to be placing teams into the tournament as to their opinion of potential.
It's a shame that Colorado and VCU couldn't have duked it out to set it all straight.
I thought that was why the field was expanded.
 
There are always a few selections that are head scratchers and this year Colorado certainly had the best argument to be included in the field. That being said, I'm not a huge fan of these pods where it allows some double digit seeds to play in more favorable matchups than a single digit seed. For example, St. John's as a 6 seed had to play Gonzaga in Boulder, Colorado, which is much closer to Gonzaga plus you have to deal with the thin air.

I also think some of the officiating has been absolutely atrocious. The Pitt-Butler final 5 seconds is excluded because both players committed silly fouls, especially Nasir Robinson on Pitt. For an experienced player that was a freshman mistake.

My beef is with the conclusion of the Arizona-Texas game, where the player called for timeout, the ref momentarily hesitated, the player walked away and the ref called 5 seconds and gave the ball to Arizona. Referees should not determine the outcome of the game and they did in that case. Texas also has a beef on the 4 fouls that Arizona committed as J'Covan Brown got hammered by Derek Williams and Gary Johnson did as well, with no call. Those are tough calls to make but if you are going to call 5 seconds on an inbounds you've already inserted yourself in the game.

As a Cincinnati fan, the loss to Connecticut is okay because Kemba Walker was great but there were two hideous calls. One, a Cincy player got called for an intentional foul when he clearly pinned the ball against the glass (and fouled Walker) but it was not an intentional foul at all. That gave him 2 shots and his team the ball. Then in the 2nd half Walker took 4 steps, not 3, 4, no travel call, game was close at this point, passed it out, got it back, and hit a dagger 3 pointer. I understand not every call can be made but that was a travel Patrick Ewing would have been jealous of. There are some bad officials out there that need to be removed from the sport.
 
I agree with everything you stated above...especially the no calls and lousy calls I've seen this far in the tournament. I just watched the end of the Pitt Butler game again on some obscure channel or another. I'm not saying those weren't fouls.. they were fouls.. but you just never see them called in the last second of the game. The refs dictated the outcome of the game.. not once but twice lol. Was easily the damnedest thing I've seen in quite some time. I can live with it because Butler was winning and then after the fiasco calls.. they won. The Texas Arizona game was a different deal entirely. They clearly hosed Texas out of a win. It was ugly and no matter how many times you see the replay... they were hosed. No official should dictate the outcome of a game. You sometimes see stupid crap like that on the high school level but I'm expecting a higher lever of officiating at the college level. And I expect to see the refs that have proven themselves to be the best of the best to be calling the tournament games. I do realize that as long as judgment calls are in human hands there will always be errors.... BUT, why doesn't some checks and balances here. Why not allow reviews in such controversial calls? I know it would slow the game some.. like the nfl.. but at least most of the calls are correct after some closer scrutiny. I want fair.. I can live with the delay. I don't want to see a team lose just because some guy got caught up in the moment and made a terrible call.
 
olbriar said:
I, too, was upset that VCU made it in over Colorado. They have played well and have proven they belong in the dance. It seems apparent, at least this year, that the committee was far more clever than my self on potential. However, they aren't supposed to be placing teams into the tournament as to their opinion of potential.
It's a shame that Colorado and VCU couldn't have duked it out to set it all straight.
I thought that was why the field was expanded.
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Why were you upset about VCU getting in? Was it because ESPN said they didn't deserve it?

I find it interesting that UAB and VCU (non power 6 conference teams) were picked on by ESPN, but not once questioned whether Clemson and USC were deserving. I can see how one can make a case for USC because they did beat a couple top 50 teams despite having 14 losses. But Clemson? They had 0 top 50 wins, finished tied for 4th in their conference, had a record of 22-12 with a couple of bad losses. How is that better than what VCU achieved? Not to mention VCU and USC were playing for the 11th seed in while Clemson and UAB were playing for the lower 12th seed in the bracket. What...just because they are in the ACC, that makes them deserving?

What about the big east?? 11 teams...seriously?? What an overrated conference. Their teams were so overvalued with inflated RPIs. If you look at the teams schedule/record. Most of the so called good wins came from beating each other within the conference. Very few of them came out of conference. Which sort of explain why there only 2/11 teams left in the sweet sixteen. Honestly I really don't think they deserved 11 teams. Maybe 10...but I think 9 would have been more acceptable.

I agree with you, Colorado did deserve to be in. I just don't think VCU was the team that should have been out.
 
I had no issue with VCU getting in because they have won some games in the NCAA tournament recently and their league was much improved this season at the top as both Old Dominion and George Mason are quality teams. Also, they do their best to schedule good teams and they are in a very fertile area to play teams from power conferences without having to take a plane ride to play them. In Virginia/Maryland/DC alone you have UVA, VTech, Richmond, Maryland, Georgetown and perhaps a few others I'm leaving out to play against.

USC also went out of their way to schedule some tough games like at Kansas (which they should have won), they beat Tennessee, and played a few other tournament teams in their non-conference portion. People can complain about who some non-power conference teams schedule and play but it's similar to NCAA football. If these mid-major teams are good there is less incentive to play them when it can be a damaging loss for a bigger school and a resume booster/tournament making win for the mid-major school. I hate when schools like Ohio State in football play nobody out of conference and make it seem like the Big 10 is a great football conference. Can't pick on TCU or Boise State when the big schools won't schedule them home/away and instead try and dangle 2 or 3 home for 1 road, where the road game is at a big stadium that isn't the smaller school's home venue.

But that's the way it is and if bigger schools can get away with it the odds are not high that they will change their tactics now.
 
I used to like NCAAMB but March Madness is a sham because the selection committee is horribly corrupt. If they could replace the selection committee and restore justice, then NCAAMB would be good again. But that's not happening anytime soon.

Too bad seems like all collegiate sports are horribly corrupt now.
 
Yeah I don't see the corruption either. Most of the teams they pick deserve to be in the dance. There will always be a few bubble teams selected that some people don't agree with. But I don't see that as corruption.
 
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