Apple iPad 3 launch => Android win? Apple win?

[SUroot]

Google is already working on Jellybean

Not sure how that's relevant. As soon as ps2 was put, Sony were working on ps3. What do. You think Apple are working on now?

Android is open source. There is only so much Google can do. Not every device can meet the minimum spec requirement. IPhone 1 couldn't run ios 5.

 

[IOWA]

Apple didn't invent any of these things but they did something about as important, they created a market and consumer interest in them. No one gave 2 craps about MP3 players, smart phones or tablets before Apple made one and marketed them. Plenty of companies released failed devices before them. So you can thank Apple for the device you just wrote that from more than likely.

The above statement is 100% false.

 

[jonmorris]

I am amazed how Sony allowed itself to get overtaken by the iPod as it had an incredibly popular and respected Walkman brand that was around a LONG time before Apple.

It's true that Apple has created markets that already existed but were never fully realised, and they've done that most recently with the tablet. They didn't invent the tablet any more than they did the smartphone, but previous efforts had never been that mainstream.

Tablets were always seen as tools for business users using them in warehouses, while smartphones were for geeks. Smartphones had been around since the late 1990s, so Apple could never claim to have invented those - or apps. But, look how badly Microsoft and Symbian (well, the likes of Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola etc) managed apps, from distribution to pricing. Nobody had ever thought of selling apps for 69p in huge numbers to make money - they thought they'd make a fortune selling simple calendar apps for $20 or games (e.g. N-Gage) for $40 - a problem that may stunt the growth of the Sony Vita for the same reasons.. Oh look, Sony messing up again, just as it did way back with the Walkman!

 

[A.Nonymous]

Not sure how that's relevant. As soon as ps2 was put, Sony were working on ps3. What do. You think Apple are working on now?

Android is open source. There is only so much Google can do. Not every device can meet the minimum spec requirement. IPhone 1 couldn't run ios 5.

Microsoft is already working on the next XBox. I wouldn't advise people who are in the market for a gaming console to avoid the 360 though.

 

[SUroot]

Microsoft is already working on the next XBox. I wouldn't advise people who are in the market for a gaming console to avoid the 360 though.

Exactly. 360 is an awesome machine and even if the 9640 (made up name) was available, it wouldnt make the 360 any less awesome.

Hell, I play megadrive (genesis) games and PS1 games on my HTC.

 

[SUroot]

The above statement is 100% false.

Cant comment on the % but I can definitely say I had an MP3 player before the first Ipad was released (CreAtive) and it was better than the Ipod too. I was very interested in tech. Still am. I don't need apple to show me what I want.

 

[jayjay1122]

Apple didn't invent any of these things but they did something about as important, they created a market and consumer interest in them. No one gave 2 craps about MP3 players, smart phones or tablets before Apple made one and marketed them. Plenty of companies released failed devices before them. So you can thank Apple for the device you just wrote that from more than likely.

Kind of a bold statement considering how long Blackberry has been around and how prominent their phones have been in the business world for almost 10 years now.

 

[SUroot]

Oh and what about the XDA? Surely that was before iphone?

 

[A.Nonymous]

They didn't invent the tablet any more than they did the smartphone, but previous efforts had never been that mainstream.

When Jobs died I saw quite a few articles/posts around the Interwebs claiming that he (and/or Apple) had invented the smartphone. It was insane.

 

[psychotron]

Kind of a bold statement considering how long Blackberry has been around and how prominent their phones have been in the business world for almost 10 years now.

I don't consider BB to be a smart phone. No touch screen for one (until very recently) and they are so crippled its ridiculous. My friend couldn't even look at a photo I emailed to her gmail account that was only like 1.5mb. Said the file was too large...what is this? 1998? I am assuming because its lack of RAM or processing power? Anyways, they are about as bad as the first gen iPhones.

 

[jonmorris]

I don't consider BB to be a smart phone. No touch screen for one and they are so ******edly crippled its ridiculous. My friend couldn't even look at a photo I emailed her to her gmail account That was only like 1.5mb. I am assuming because its lack of RAM or processing power? Anyways, they are about as bad as the first gen iPhones.

Some do have touch and they are definitely smartphones and existed way before the iPhone! And what's more, you can view attachments!

Of course you are entitled to your opinion that they're no good, but they've still been around for ten years or so.

Besides Symbian, Windows Mobile (and CE) and BB, what about Palm OS? And indeed what about Java apps, which were actually quite powerful on 'dumb' phones?

 

[A.Nonymous]

I don't consider BB to be a smart phone. No touch screen for one (until very recently) and they are so crippled its ridiculous. My friend couldn't even look at a photo I emailed to her gmail account that was only like 1.5mb. Said the file was too large...what is this? 1998? I am assuming because its lack of RAM or processing power? Anyways, they are about as bad as the first gen iPhones.

Pretty much everyone else in the world considers BB a pioneer in the smartphone.

 

[psychotron]

Back to the original topic. Recent news about the "failed" Apple launch coming up Fri!

New iPad Sales Estimates Top 1 Million, Wait Time Now 2-3 Weeks | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

 

[SUroot]

Back to the original topic. Recent news about the "failed" Apple launch coming up Fri!

New iPad Sales Estimates Top 1 Million, Wait Time Now 2-3 Weeks | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

Apple told USA Today that pre-orders are "off the charts" and Apple has effectively sold out of its pre-order inventory.

Reliable source, not biased at all.
No information about numbers, they could have made 14.

That said, they probably have made loads and they probably have sold out but citing that page as evidence of anything unfortunately fails.

 

[psychotron]

Reliable source, not biased at all.
No information about numbers, they could have made 14.

That said, they probably have made loads and they probably have sold out but citing that page as evidence of anything unfortunately fails.

The story is from PC magazine's website. You really think they would be on the nuts of a product created by Apple for no good reason? Doubtful. Of course we know the thing is going to sell in record numbers, just as the iPhone 4S did when so many haters said no one would buy it since it was an incremental upgrade LOL

 

[mrspeedmaster]

Reliable source, not biased at all.
No information about numbers, they could have made 14.

That said, they probably have made loads and they probably have sold out but citing that page as evidence of anything unfortunately fails.

Sarbane-Oxley laws in the US prevents lying about sales figures. Publicly traded company cannot make false disclosures.
If they said they sold out, then it is taken as real data. Otherwise, they can be sued by investors.

If a company sold 4 million devices in 4 days in 2011 and publicly said they broke all the previous records in 2012,
legally, due to SOX (Sarbanes Oxley), an investor can take that discloure as meaning they sold more than 4 million in the same period.

 

[psychotron]

Sarbane-Oxley laws in the US prevents lying about sales figures. Publicly traded company cannot make false disclosures.
If they said they sold out, then it is taken as real data. Otherwise, they can be sued by investors.

If a company sold 4 million devices in 4 days in 2011 and publicly said they broke all the previous records in 2012,
legally, due to SOX (Sarbanes Oxley), an investor can take that discloure as meaning they sold more than 4 million in the same period.

He's right though. Just because they said they sold out preorders doesn't tell us how many of those they sold. Could have been 100, could have been 100k

 

[jonmorris]

I am sure Apple can massage the figures to a degree by controlling how many pre-orders it can accept before saying 'out of stock'.

I know as 100% fact that in the UK a certain network operator had staff at its retail operations under orders to sell only a certain number of iPhones a day when one of its new models was released. They had the stock in the back room, but had to say 'Sorry we've sold out, but we're getting another delivery tomorrow' and then issue the next allocation the next day.

It was frustrating for the staff, but rules they HAD to abide by.

Hearing a product has gone out of stock only seems to make people all the more desperate. For one, you now know that someone else is going to get the device before you - and that makes you some sort of failure. So you'll now get into a frenzy to get one ASAP, and next time around you'll pre-order the millisecond after pre-ordering starts.

It's no wonder that other manufacturers now make a big deal of pre-ordering, even if their products can be a lot more average.

 

[A.Nonymous]

I'm not surprised they sold so well. I don't know what it is about Apple. I listen to quite a few tech podcasts and heard many commenters say things like, "The new iPad has nothing in it intriguing except for the screen and I can live without a hi-res screen on my iPad. Nothing else in it is impressive. I absolutely have to have one and I have no clue why."

 

[Covart]

Apple told investors that opening day sales topped 1 million. No public company can lie to investors about that.

You can expect another 1-2 million sales on release day. I anticipate Apple will probably sell 16-20 million iPads this quarter (which includes the now discounted iPad2). In essence, Apple will likely sell more this quarter than every Android tablet manufacturer, combined, for the entire year, unless something drastic changes.

 

[A.Nonymous]

In essence, Apple will likely sell more this quarter than every Android tablet manufacturer, combined, for the entire year, unless something drastic changes.

This is likely the truth. Apple has a great thing going on. They have now put out two consecutive products (iPhone 4S and new iPad) that tech journalists look at and say, "Meh". Then people line up around the block and buy them by the crapload. Apple has itself in a place where they don't have to innovate. They can just put the same products they've put out before and just give them a hardware refresh and people will line up to buy them.

Android is doing all the innovation. On Android, you've got far better hardware, phones with pico projectors, phones with larger screens, phones that dock into laptop docks, phones that dock into tablets, phones that dock into tablets that dock into laptop docks and phones running 4G. Apple will sit back, wait to see which, if any, of these technologies gains acceptance and then incorporate it. They are essentially getting their competitors to do all the innovation for them, then they step in, claim they invented the technology and reap the rewards.

 

[Covart]

This is likely the truth. Apple has a great thing going on. They have now put out two consecutive products (iPhone 4S and new iPad) that tech journalists look at and say, "Meh". Then people line up around the block and buy them by the crapload. Apple has itself in a place where they don't have to innovate. They can just put the same products they've put out before and just give them a hardware refresh and people will line up to buy them.

Android is doing all the innovation. On Android, you've got far better hardware, phones with pico projectors, phones with larger screens, phones that dock into laptop docks, phones that dock into tablets, phones that dock into tablets that dock into laptop docks and phones running 4G. Apple will sit back, wait to see which, if any, of these technologies gains acceptance and then incorporate it. They are essentially getting their competitors to do all the innovation for them, then they step in, claim they invented the technology and reap the rewards.

i don't think i would go that far as to say Apple doesn't do any of the innovating, as they did a lot for the smartphone and tablet areas of tech. I do think they sit back and wait for certain technologies to mature before implementing them in their products (like 4G), to ensure the customer gets the best experience. A lot of manufacturers haphazardly throw tech into their products to say they were the first and it is the customer that suffers, leaving a bad taste for Android in their mouths. This is not always the case, but I think you know what I mean.

i think we will continue to see Android take the majority of risks on new tech for the foreseeable future (simply because each manufacturer using Android is trying to show they have something the others don't, in order to differentiate their products), but don't count out Apple. Remember, it was Apple that brought the average computer consumer the mouse, usb, thunderbolt and influenced the designs of the all-in-one computer and MacBook Air-like ultrabooks.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

In essence, Apple will likely sell more this quarter than every Android tablet manufacturer, combined, for the entire year, unless something drastic changes.

Just for perspective.
Motorola BARELY sold 1 million tablets combined for all of 2011

Motorola Reports An $80m Loss In Q4 2011 | TechWeekEurope UK

Motorola Announces Q4 Earnings, 18.7 Million Smartphones Sold - DroidRzr.com

Motorola Received Q4 Loss of $80 Million In 2011 | iTech Sector

Only 200K in the last quarter.

This is a far cry from their initial estimates. In early 2011, the predicted they'd sell 800K in Q1.

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And Samsung, well, they admitted "They're not doing so well in the sector"

Samsung: 'We're not doing very well in the tablet market' | Mobile World Congress - CNET Reviews

 

[Theeulogy]

From 2006

Just saying.

Man you guys are young! My first tablet was a Hammerhead with windows 95, and one of my buddies had this The Labs: Stylistic 1200 Fujitsu was the first tablet to gain public attention in 1996.

To my knowlege microsoft has been pushing out tablets since the mid 1990's. Apple was the first to make them popular, but they were not even close to the originator of the tablet PC.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

Man you guys are young! My first tablet was a Hammerhead with windows 95, and one of my buddies had this The Labs: Stylistic 1200 Fujitsu was the first tablet to gain public attention in 1996.

To my knowlege microsoft has been pushing out tablets since the mid 1990's. Apple was the first to make them popular, but they were not even close to the originator of the tablet PC.

And I went further back. I had one of these in 1993

An Apple Newton. The first ARM based touchscreen tablet. It predates all the Windows 95 tablet convertibles.