Are Rush Limbaugh & Glenn Beck on the Mark

[wiretap]

I'm sorry, but...

You didn't learn any of this in a college level government class of sorts? It's pretty much the most fundamental of topics covered in the first week. But yes, I agree, totally hilarious.. to the people who fall trap to the republican versus democrat media illusion.

 

[brab]

But you guys never addressed what I said about the hate speak of Limbaugh and Beck. You don't think it's hate speak? They want to have a love in, right? I'd like to see Rush Limbaugh or Beck sit across from a table with someone who would take them to task for the vitriole they spew but neither of them has the guts to appear in a forum where their views would be questioned because they no they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and if either have appeared at such a forum, correct me please.

Mr. Highland Ranger
Neither have you expressed a single thing that either Limbaugh or Beck has said that could be equated with truth unless it's some innocuous statement like, "The government spends too much", duhhh.

Mr. Crude
As far as guns go, why don't you take your GUN and join a militia? You could put on a camoflouge uniform and learn to stand at attention and salute your millitia commander and dream of overthrowing our oppressive government. That'd be fun wouldn't it?

 

[hakr100]

But you guys never addressed what I said about the hate speak of Limbaugh and Beck. You don't think it's hate speak? They want to have a love in, right? I'd like to see Rush Limbaugh or Beck sit across from a table with someone who would take them to task for the vitriole they spew but neither of them has the guts to appear in a forum where their views would be questioned because they no they wouldn't have a leg to stand on and if either have appeared at such a forum, correct me please.

Of course Limbaugh, Beck, and a few others on the far right engage in "hate speech." That's how they build and maintain their audiences. They and their listeners/viewers feed on each other. Unfortunately, some of their "fans" take what the hatemongers say seriously, and act out, sometimes violently.

I don't engage in discussions of any "issues" these media hatemongers bring up, because that only serves their purpose.

You mention that neither Beck nor Limbaugh have the guts to appear in real forums. That is correct. Now I understand that Sarah Palin won't appear on significant national interview shows (other than fox, of course), and that Rand Paul has been advised to turn down requests from interviewers who might ask questions about some of his "way out there" views.

It is a sad commentary on our times and our society that so many are attracted to the likes of Limbaugh and Beck and others of their ilk.

 

[brab]

Right on. The lovers of Limbaugh, Beck and Savage; the New Brown Shirts!

 

[wiretap]

Right on. The lovers of Limbaugh, Beck and Savage; the New Brown Shirts!

Right on.
YouTube - Obama's Brown-shirts Are Coming - Gestapo - SS - Civilian National Security Force

 

[Highland Ranger]

Don't waste your time on Brab - he is a schill sent out by the DNC to make noise. They're everywhere posing as citizens.

If you have diverse interests what you'll see is that they don't stray too far from the script or get too entangled in conversation. They know they can't convince you, so they just use your posts to pivot to the next sound byte, in some clever (not really) way. They are hoping they can drown out the truth with their noise.

Dead giveaway - a new member on a technology board with most of his posts in this thread.

I am betting he owns an i-Phone or a Blackberry. The i-phone in particular would fit in with their "we know what's good for you better than you do" approach.

 

[Zenze]

From I have seen from reading most of the above comments, particularly about the Nazi party, most of you don't know very much about the party itself or the political spectrum. It is not as simple as right and left, which mostly concerns economic policies. There is another demention which concerns government control and is split between authoritarian and libertarian.

For your viewing pleasure:

That being said there is also a difference between political parties and political ideology. Both parties pick and choose policies that can come from either right/left or authoritarian/libertarian ideologies.

Now, the Nazi party... Yes it has socialist in the name but it was a political party and like all political parties it picks and chooses policies and how to run things. Most importantly, it was completely on the authoritarian side of the spectrum. As far as left and right goes most scholars (yes, those with the education and qualification to make such a judgement) put them to the right side of middle. Either way, comparing them to any politician or party is a very weak argument and a classic scare tactic used to get those who don't understand how ridiculous such a comparison is to freak out.


Now about the constitution... I don't agree with many of the policies of the current administration and congress for various reasons but saying that they are taking away your rights guaranteed by the constitution is crazy. Again, I would consider these arguments classic scare tactics used against those who don't know better.
If you open any American History book or as anyone educated in the matter they will tell you that the founders of the country were very clever. They wrote the Constitution in a way that would allow for its interpretation to change and adapt with the times. Obviously they had no idea what the world would by like in 2010, but they wrote the document in a way that it would still work for us today. Pretty incredible really.

Now if you really think that your rights given in the constitution are being violated by the current administration (who does not actually make any laws) then the founders have your back again. Their system of government allows for the interpretation of the constitution to change over time, and its interpretation is decided by the Supreme Court. So if any laws were passed that violated those rights the Supreme Court (which currently has a majority of Republicans) would step in and declare that law to be unconstitutional. And if you are worried about current law taking away your rights I am very interested in what you think about the Patriot Act.


Now my personal views on the the world/politics. Many people view the world as either white or black, but to me this is a dramatic oversimplification of the world. The modern world is a complicated place and I think it is ridiculous to expect that one ideology can provide all the answers to our problems. To me it all comes down to efficiency and results, maybe because I'm an engineer, who knows. Whatever gives us the best outcome is the policy that I will go with, regardless of what ideology it comes from. If a new idea is shown to have better results or makes more sense I will support it. I think that to many people get caught up in ideology in this country, which imo is a consequence of the two party system.

Sorry if this is not related to the OP in any way. As regards to Limbaugh and Beck they have both admitted as being entertainers and not reporters. Fox and Rupert Murdoch have even said their sections are for entertainment and not news. Very little of what they say is based in fact. IMO they are just in this to take advantage of those who do not know what they are saying is wrong in order to make money off of them.

 

[wiretap]

Wiretap (should be "Spinaltap")
Way to go, a Fox news clip. You have automatically lost your credibilty.

lolz, if the video was cropped it wouldn't matter, it was a direct quote.

You have automatically lost your credibility. Automatically. You should be "trollbot".

 

[Zenze]

You have automatically lost your credibility. Automatically. You should be "trollbot".

Agreed.

However your views on the political spectrum are still way off and your comparisons of Obama to a Nazi are way off as well.

 

[bbrosen]

How can the highly volatile hate speak which Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck use further the public discourse. Is Obama a Nazi? Are we really an arms length from Communism. To listen to these two guys you would think the United States will be the next USSR.

i used to be a big lib...i was always told rush is racist , this person is this way..blah bl;ah blah...and i believed it for a long time...then i decided I needed to listen to them, to really hear if what i was hearing about these people were true, well, it wasn't..Rush is not racist, nor has any one including Glenn beck been using hate speech...seems the left defines hate speech as anyone who does not subscribe to their viewpoints, well, i hate to tell you, even hate speech is protected under free speech laws...you cannot have it both ways and filter just what you believe, not how it works...If one knows their history, they will see how far we have come from our founding fathers ideals, and yes, that is a scarey look into our history and where we are headed...read mark Levins liberty and tyranny, it will open your eyes, you see, for a very long time i was apart of the liberal left, I know the truth, I know what the agenda is, I know their modus operandi, I cannot be lied too anymore and be a sheep of the left. the left is more violent, history shows this, then the right and very much hateful......sorry, but there is no hate speech from limbaugh or beck, or colter, or sowell, or levin, or hannity...I actually listen to what these people say, just as I used to listen to what the other side said, and the left is more off base then the right ill tell you that much.

 

[Zenze]

i used to be a big lib...i was always told rush is racist , this person is this way..blah bl;ah blah...and i believed it for a long time...then i decided I needed to listen to them, to really hear if what i was hearing about these people were true, well, it wasn't..Rush is not racist, nor has any one including Glenn beck been using hate speech...seems the left defines hate speech as anyone who does not subscribe to their viewpoints, well, i hate to tell you, even hate speech is protected under free speech laws...you cannot have it both ways and filter just what you believe, not how it works...If one knows their history, they will see how far we have come from our founding fathers ideals, and yes, that is a scarey look into our history and where we are headed...read mark Levins liberty and tyranny, it will open your eyes, you see, for a very long time i was apart of the liberal left, I know the truth, I know what the agenda is, I know their modus operandi, I cannot be lied too anymore and be a sheep of the left. the left is more violent, history shows this, then the right and very much hateful......sorry, but there is no hate speech from limbaugh or beck, or colter, or sowell, or levin, or hannity...I actually listen to what these people say, just as I used to listen to what the other side said, and the left is more off base then the right ill tell you that much.

Wow thats quite a claim, however very little evidence included in your post. Care to expand upon any of it? IE how we have left the founding fathers ideals, what their agenda is, or their modus operandi (as in how they operate)? Just curious.

 

[OfTheDamned]

Personally, I view Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, etc. the same way I do Howard Stern. They are all shock jocks to a certain degree, they just have different audiences and subject matter.

I also have to add that I find the "brown shirt" comments concerning. I have never had a problem with UPS. They are normally very helpful and lacking in hate.

 

[brab]

To whomever I offended in my posts, I apologize and will keep it under control in the future. Guranteed.

 

[hakr100]

To whomever I offended in my posts, I apologize and will keep it under control in the future. Guranteed.

For what it is worth, and it ain't worth much, since I am a big nobody here, I think it is appropriate to express your true feelings about political figures such as Limbaugh and Beck* so long as you do so in a reasonable manner.
I also think it is inappropriate to call other posters here by name or innuendo. I didn't notice that you did the latter.

* I think Limbaugh and to a lesser degree Beck are political figures. Most Republican office holders won't poop if they think Limbaugh might object.

 

[jhelwege]

Excuse me, but no way on God's little green earth could the Nazis ever be described as left-wing. Good grief, they were Fascists.... the very antithesis of Communists/Socialists.

Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think... When people say that Fascist Germany was run by corporations they could not be further from the truth... Do you honestly believe that Hitler allowed large corporations to do whatever they wanted? Absolutely not... the government in place (mainly just Hitler himself) set the rules, and then businesses had no choice but to follow them. This truth is one of the many things that set Fascism on the complete opposite side of Conservatism.

 

[hakr100]

Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think... /QUOTE]

Mr. Goldberg grinds his ax daily to benefit the far right wing. His opinions on progressives, liberals, moderates, et cetera, are, at best, suspect. He is a writer of screeds that appeal to the fans of Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, et al.

 

[jhelwege]

Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think... /QUOTE]

Mr. Goldberg grinds his ax daily to benefit the far right wing. His opinions on progressives, liberals, moderates, et cetera, are, at best, suspect. He is a writer of screeds that appeal to the fans of Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, et al.

Im sure you haven't read the book... So I don't have any idea why you are making comments like the one above... Also, you're main point had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in my post. I think the only idea you covered was the fact that he is conservative, so he appeals to a conservative audience... Thanks for that. Can I ask you what you think about those who write from a more liberal point of view?

 

[Zenze]

Read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and you will have a better understanding of how Fascism and Liberalism are very similar in more ways than you think...

Please pick up and actual political science book if you want to discuss the political spectrum. Also read my above post.

Any political science book will tell you that that Fascism was created with both right and left winged ideas, and is based on corporatist values. To imply that Fascists are on the left is just ridiculous as they have a history of flat out rejecting the ideas of liberalism, marxism, and mainstream socialism.

 

[hakr100]

Im sure you haven't read the book... So I don't have any idea why you are making comments like the one above... Also, you're main point had absolutely nothing to do with the point I was trying to make in my post. I think the only idea you covered was the fact that he is conservative, so he appeals to a conservative audience... Thanks for that. Can I ask you what you think about those who write from a more liberal point of view?

I've seen Goldberg perform on TV, I've seen his extreme right-wing slant, I've seen the hatred in his commentaries...why would I assume he's any more honest and disciplined in his book?

Sorry, but I don't pay much attention to over-the-top right-wingers. That includes Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al.

What do I think of "more liberal" writers? It depends on how responsible they are in their writings/statements.

I do pay attention to some conservative writers and commentators, but not the ones whose "target audience" is the same as that of Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al. I think they are irresponsible loudmouths whose main purpose is to rouse the rabble. They're very good at it, too.

 

[jhelwege]

I've seen Goldberg perform on TV, I've seen his extreme right-wing slant, I've seen the hatred in his commentaries...why would I assume he's any more honest and disciplined in his book?

Sorry, but I don't pay much attention to over-the-top right-wingers. That includes Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al.

What do I think of "more liberal" writers? It depends on how responsible they are in their writings/statements.

I do pay attention to some conservative writers and commentators, but not the ones whose "target audience" is the same as that of Goldberg, Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al. I think they are irresponsible loudmouths whose main purpose is to rouse the rabble. They're very good at it, too.

I feel like this is a worthless argument, but I will keep going... It seems to me that you are only capable of listening to and/or reading the work of someone who is completely in the middle of all issues. You will only pay attention to someone who is unbiased and can see both sides of every argument. The problem is that your biases will lead you to believe that anyone you agree with is unbiased and fair... while anyone that you do not agree with is biased and unfair. You probably think that CNN and MSNBC do a good job of reporting fair and unbiased news because you agree with the agenda they are trying to push. I think the Communist News Network and MSNBC (sorry, no clever name) lean further to the left than Fox News leans to the right. Though I can't stand CNN or MSNBC, I think that they have the right to twist news and information however they would like, and then viewers can decide whether or not they want to listen. Obviously the people that you rip in each and every one of your posts have found a way to make people listen. If you agreed with their agenda you would also listen to them without hesitation... but you do not agree with their agenda, and instead of just not listening, you have decided to speak out against them with hatred because you feel that you are above it all. The word for this is hypocrisy...

 

[hakr100]

I feel like this is a worthless argument, but I will keep going... It seems to me that you are only capable of listening to and/or reading the work of someone who is completely in the middle of all issues. You will only pay attention to someone who is unbiased and can see both sides of every argument. The problem is that your biases will lead you to believe that anyone you agree with is unbiased and fair... while anyone that you do not agree with is biased and unfair. You probably think that CNN and MSNBC do a good job of reporting fair and unbiased news because you agree with the agenda they are trying to push. I think the Communist News Network and MSNBC (sorry, no clever name) lean further to the left than Fox News leans to the right. Though I can't stand CNN or MSNBC, I think that they have the right to twist news and information however they would like, and then viewers can decide whether or not they want to listen. Obviously the people that you rip in each and every one of your posts have found a way to make people listen. If you agreed with their agenda you would also listen to them without hesitation... but you do not agree with their agenda, and instead of just not listening, you have decided to speak out against them with hatred because you feel that you are above it all. The word for this is hypocrisy...

You make a lot of assumptions about me, based upon...nothing. As I stated, i do read and watch responsible commentators on the left, on the right, and in the middle. The ones I mentioned as not liking are rabble-rousing gasbags, in my opinion. But I don't hate Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et al, as you state. I simply see them for what they are, and pay little attention to them, other than to laugh at their antics and, to a lesser degree, those who take them seriously.

You seem upset at my disdain for over-the-top commentators. I don't know why. It's perfectly OK with me if you believe in Limbaugh, Beck, Savage, Palin, et cetera. I simply have a different set of standards.

 

[Zenze]

The problem is that your biases will lead you to believe that anyone you agree with is unbiased and fair... while anyone that you do not agree with is biased and unfair. You probably think that CNN and MSNBC do a good job of reporting fair and unbiased news because you agree with the agenda they are trying to push. I think the Communist News Network and MSNBC (sorry, no clever name) lean further to the left than Fox News leans to the right.

So by your own argument you are admitting that your view of Fox News leans less to the right than MSNBC to the left is incorrect.

Personally I think that anyone who views Fox and MSNBC as anything other and equal and opposite is only kidding themselves. They are the exact same, just opposite sides of the political spectrum.

Also, I have failed to see how CNN is in any way liberal. However, I think they are just as bad as the other two. They try so hard not to not come off as conservative or liberal that they have pretty much stopped reporting any news and just read off twitter feeds...

We lack a decent source of news in the US imo...

 

[hakr100]

...just read off twitter feeds...

I really dislike seeing tweets on TV newa and opinion shows. I guess it is a cheap way to fill time allotments.

 

[brab]

I'll have you know Mr Highland Ranger that I am not a troll, though I will admit to stirring.the pot now and then. I do believe that our public discourse has sunken to an all time low and that Limbaugh, Beck, Sabage, Palin, etc. don't really care what affect their speak has on societal stability but are chasing the almighty dollar.

And Mr Jhelwege, of all the cable so called news channels, CNN is the least biased of them all and that may make for boring tv but it's better than fabricated senstionalism.

Both MSNBC and FOX are clearly biased, though I cannot recall instances of outright made up stories on MSNBC such as you see on FOX.

And how bout Palin pointing fingers at Obama claiming he is in BP's back pocket when she was governor of the socialized state of Alaska whose every citizen gets a yearly check from the oil industry and whose campaign, actually McCains, accepted twice as much money from big oil as Obama's.

 

[jhelwege]

I'll have you know Mr Highland Ranger that I am not a troll, though I will admit to stirring.the pot now and then. I do believe that our public discourse has sunken to an all time low and that Limbaugh, Beck, Sabage, Palin, etc. don't really care what affect their speak has on societal stability but are chasing the almighty dollar.

And Mr Jhelwege, of all the cable so called news channels, CNN is the least biased of them all and that may make for boring tv but it's better than fabricated senstionalism.

Both MSNBC and FOX are clearly biased, though I cannot recall instances of outright made up stories on MSNBC such as you see on FOX.

And how bout Palin pointing fingers at Obama claiming he is in BP's back pocket when she was governor of the socialized state of Alaska whose every citizen gets a yearly check from the oil industry and whose campaign, actually McCains, accepted twice as much money from big oil as Obama's.

Alright Brab, I was about ready to stop wasting my time on this thread but your multitude of misinformation has lead me to believe that it is worth my time to try and correct you...

First, it is your opinion that CNN is the least biased of all news channels... It is my opinion that the Communist News Network is not even close to unbiased... You feel that CNN conveys information you can agree with and believe in, thus you also feel they are the most unbiased. You disagree with every opinion or piece of information that Fox conveys to its audience on a nightly basis, thus you believe they are the most biased...

Second, name an "outright made up story" that has been displayed on Fox... If you are going to make a statement such as this, you should probably try to back it up with some solid information. Otherwise, it seems like you are outright making up a story...

Third, if you want to talk about campaign donations look up on google the amount that Obama/Biden received overall versus the amount McCain/Palin received overall. Your argument here is completely worthless... If you think that Palin is the only politician who has ever been slightly hypocritical in accepting money from donations (and you think this only because she is very conservative) than I hope that this November you do not waste your time making uninformed decisions at the polls... You will do your country a service by staying home... trust me.