Atrix vs Infuse

[JadeEyedWolf]

I figured, since there's already an Atrix vs Inspire thread going on here, we may as well get an Atrix vs Infuse thread going too.

Honestly, I want to get all excited about the Atrix, but there are a couple of issues that are holding me back:

Moto's are notoriously difficult to root, unlock, mod, whatever. Frankly, I want to get the phone, and on the FIRST DAY, I want every trace of AT&T crap-ware OFF the thing, and I want to be able to customize it to my needs exactly as I see fit. I mean, isn't that what Android is supposed to be all about; Customizability? If you don't like something, change it! If you want something, get it! If you don't want something, get rid of it! I'm spending the money for a high-end device, so why shouldn't I be able to do all those things out-of-the-box, right?

Also, speaking of modding and rooting etc, considering how similar the Nexus S is to the current Samsung hardware out in the wild at the moment, and how similar the Infuse's hardware will likely also be to the Nexus S, I suspect the Infuse will be a modder's playground.

On the other hand, DesignGears (responsible for the Cognition and Perception ROM's on the Captivate) has made it known that he plans on getting both devices. So who knows? Maybe the Atrix will have hope yet... I can see it now: the dev's over at XDA figure out a way to replace webtop on the Atrix with a full blown version Ubuntu. Now THAT would be cool!

Idk, I'm still torn...

If the Infuse has an HDMI port, and especially for the customizability reasons I already mentioned, I might just go with that and let the dual core phones mature for a generation or two. We'll see...

Ahh, Decisions decisions...


Each phone is very different on paper, but both are very nice devices. This is not a discussion about which phone is technically superior, because we all know the tech specs already. This is a discussion about which phone YOU think is better for YOU!

Let's hear your opinion! Which phone do you want to get? Why? Why not the other?

 

[Edge1978]

I am deciding between the Atrix and the Inspire. After the mess with the Captivate problems, I am going to steer clear of Samsung smart phones for a while.

 

[JadeEyedWolf]

I am deciding between the Atrix and the Inspire. After the mess with the Captivate problems, I am going to steer clear of Samsung smart phones for a while.

I can't say I blame you for being hesitant about Samsung. That said, being a Captivate owner myself, what Samsung didn't fix, the XDA developers did.

My Captivate is rooted and I'm running Cognition v3.04 right now and couldn't be happier. Seriously, I had a completely non-functional GPS before and it was laggy as hell. Now, my GPS is a rockstar, the system is snappy and responsive, and my battery life is noticeably improved (just to name a few!).

Mind you, you really should follow the proper installation process in its entirety to fully benefit from all the great work that DesignGears has put into this project:Flashing Cognition Part 1/3

So, for all you Captivate users out there who are all still complaining about not having FroYo, broken GPS's etc etc, I have no sympathy for you anymore.
Sorry, I don't mean to sound like an ass-hat... I mean, principly I do believe that Samsung messed up BIG time, and they should have done a much better job in taking ownership of their issues LONG ago, but you know what? Screw Samsung! The resources to fix all these issues are out there, and they're not hard to get either. The Android community is so broad and so helpful that if you haven't taken matters into your own hands and made things right on your own by now, then that's your own fault...

 

[AndreaCristiano]

I'm not a hater of the captivate. It does have some issues but its a good phone what I'm not a fan of is samsungs approach to updates or lack thereof.

 

[Edge1978]

I can't say I blame you for being hesitant about Samsung. That said, being a Captivate owner myself, what Samsung didn't fix, the XDA developers did.

My Captivate is rooted and I'm running Cognition v3.04 right now and couldn't be happier. Seriously, I had a completely non-functional GPS before and it was laggy as hell. Now, my GPS is a rockstar, the system is snappy and responsive, and my battery life is noticeably improved (just to name a few!).

To be honest, I didn't even try the GPS when I had my captivate. What aggravated me the most and what the catalyst for me to return it was the fact that within the first 24 hours I had it, it shut itself off 9 times, 3 times during a phone call.

Does a rooted captivate fix this issue as well?

 

[AndreaCristiano]

To be honest, I didn't even try the GPS when I had my captivate. What aggravated me the most and what the catalyst for me to return it was the fact that within the first 24 hours I had it, it shut itself off 9 times, 3 times during a phone call.

Does a rooted captivate fix this issue as well?

Yea and depending on what ROM almost all issues fixed

 

[DT]

Does a rooted captivate fix this issue as well?

It doesn't. Some ROMs seem to reduce how often it happens - I believe it's some kind of defective instrumentation that reports to the OS an incorrect battery state (and it initiates a shutdown). Different ROM/OS versions/etc., probably change the tolerance of the shutdown value, or the polling duration, etc., combined with some other environment variables (apps running, settings, etc).

 

[AndreaCristiano]

It doesn't. Some ROMs seem to reduce how often it happens - I believe it's some kind of defective instrumentation that reports to the OS an incorrect battery state (and it initiates a shutdown). Different ROM/OS versions/etc., probably change the tolerance of the shutdown value, or the polling duration, etc., combined with some other environment variables (apps running, settings, etc).

I had cognition back awhile and it was good possibility could be that the captivate I have doesn't have those issues. I'm gonna try serendipity this week

 

[DT]

Yeah, mine did it during the first 30 days about 1-2 times a week, so not _terrible_, but later as I started going to new ROM, it cut back to maybe 1-2 times a month.

It's not very repeatable, so it's kind of tricky to debug, but in reading, I know people have tried dozens of different combos of things that never completely stop this problem. I know people with this issue swapped phones (some more than once) and eventually got a phone where it wasn't shutting down, so it really sounds like a hardware issue

There's some kind of bulletin that circulated through AT&T corporate stores that mentioned replacements over this issue (I don't know if it was ever 100% validated it was real or not).

I like my Captivate quite a bit: it's entertained me (especially on flights), made it easier to do my job, generated money for my company, let me show off my sweet baby G, but...

...between the shutdowns, lackluster GPS, update BS, I know there's got to be a better Android experience, and definitely one that includes what I consider minimums for a full featured, high-end Android device (i.e., add a camera flash, FFC).

If you don't have the shutdown bug, are OK with the GPS and don't mind doing your own ROM updates, I think it's overall very good.

 

[AndreaCristiano]

Yeah, mine did it during the first 30 days about 1-2 times a week, so not _terrible_, but later as I started going to new ROM, it cut back to maybe 1-2 times a month.

It's not very repeatable, so it's kind of tricky to debug, but in reading, I know people have tried dozens of different combos of things that never completely stop this problem. I know people with this issue swapped phones (some more than once) and eventually got a phone where it wasn't shutting down, so it really sounds like a hardware issue

There's some kind of bulletin that circulated through AT&T corporate stores that mentioned replacements over this issue (I don't know if it was ever 100% validated it was real or not).

I like my Captivate quite a bit: it's entertained me (especially on flights), made it easier to do my job, generated money for my company, let me show off my sweet baby G, but...

...between the shutdowns, lackluster GPS, update BS, I know there's got to be a better Android experience, and definitely one that includes what I consider minimums for a full featured, high-end Android device (i.e., add a camera flash, FFC).

If you don't have the shutdown bug, are OK with the GPS and don't mind doing your own ROM updates, I think it's overall very good.

Yea I don't have any major issues the only things I get is lag if I use the touchwiz Widgets or chompsms

 

[ROCer]

Not to mention that the Atrix is expected to be released sooner.

 

[shawn1224]

(DNPSEA) notice the sig. The only thing I would buy from Samsung are their TVs and even then I still ended up getting a 50" inch Panasonic Viera LOL. Will the Infuse be rocking Samsung's bastardization attempt of a UI in Touchwiz? If so you can rule out customization options like the Nexus S. I learnt my lesson a long time ago with the Samsung Behold 2 when Sammy left us high & dry after promising us a 2.1 update. Spec wise when the Behold 2 released it was a beast competing with the G1 and Mytouch but Samsung f*ed up the software so bad that the phone was a nightmare. I wouldn't ever trust them when it comes to android and that's why I'm so against Samsung and their war profiteering mentality.

 

[DT]

Yeah, I mean, there are so many options for terrific phones, if you feel a particular manufacturer hasn't done you right, try a different company. That's kind of where I'm at with Samsung too - I've gotten a reasonably decent perspective on how they handle things with my Captivate, so I'm going to try a Motorola this time around.

Our X5 4.4i was our last BMW for some of the same types of reasons.

My only experience with Moto was with a RAZR years ago and it worked just fine (of course I realize we're talking about a _much_ simpler device). I figure: new CPU, terrific display specs, why not give them a try?

I totally dig on Android, and the Captivate hardware is decent, but these companies really fall short with the end-to-end experience (that's where Apple has dominated for the most part).

 

[dsjr2006]

Screw Samsung. The Captivate is the biggest piece of garbage I've ever had to use and to top it off Samsung didn't support it at all and doesn't seem to care to.

 

[pinbak]

Between these two, I'd go for the Atrix. Like others have said, I got burned by the Captivate and will NOT get a samsung android device in the near future unless it can give BJs!! The captivate ruined android and samsung in my book, so the Infuse means jackcrap to me.

 

[s.m.knipe]

Between these two, I'd go for the Atrix. Like others have said, I got burned by the Captivate and will NOT get a samsung android device in the near future unless it can give BJs!! The captivate ruined android and samsung in my book, so the Infuse means jackcrap to me.

agreed!

 

[Kaaji1359]

I can't say I blame you for being hesitant about Samsung. That said, being a Captivate owner myself, what Samsung didn't fix, the XDA developers did.

ACTUALLY...

The GPS issue is not only a software issue (that can be fixed form XDA developers like you said) but a HARDWARE issue as well. As it turns out the engineers made an extremely bad choice in one of the GPS connections. It's fixable, if you literally take your phone all the way apart to "bend" a wire into a different spot. I apologize for not having the exact post on hand, but it was a huge topic on the XDA Developers forums and the primary reason I never bought the Captivate.

 

[hutbug]

I hope some people are still looking at this thread. I've had a captivate for about 3 months now. I did not root it. I installed the 2.2 update. I like it's potential, but the reality is, it's slow. I don't see any improvement with the 2.2 update. I'm running widgets: facebook, 3 news; weather. I stay on wifi, and turn BT off when not using. I think samsung's quality on this device is a 4 out of 10. I'm stuck with AT&T so my next choice is between the atrix and the infuse. Now that the atrix is out, I wish some users would give their opinions in here - are you glad you didn't wait for the infuse, etc.

 

[shawn1224]

Atrix without a shadow of doubt

 

[sxw2jdxc]

I had a Captivate for about 3-4weeks, but I didn't really like it that much.. I guess phone was a bit too big for my hand and wasn't fast enough oO.. So I went with Atrix. Atrix is a perfect size, great battery life, fast processor, and etc... but the problems with this phone is that it has locked bootloader (Can't overclock TT) and there is a problem with voice quality. Because of voice quality issue, I'm thinking about exchanging it to same phone until I get a phone with no voice issue or switch it to infuse.

Keep on posting. I wanna hear you guys opinion about these two phones. I heard Galaxy s2 is coming with dual core, but infuse with only single 1.2...

 

[BravoGolfTango]

Atrix, of course, easy poll choice, next.

 

[TripleV]

I have owned a Captivate and now own a Atrix.
My Captivate never experienced the problems that looks like many people have reported, however after the Froyo update the phone became extremely slow and laggy. Didn't like that it took so long for Samsung to release the update and couldn't stand how slow the OS was. Kinda reminded me of my 3gs..
I've had my Atrix for about a month and a half and here's the pros/cons I've experienced.
Pros
Very fast processing-Surprisingly Blur hasn't slowed down my phone as much as it does/can on many of their other devices, Applications respond well, typing is fast (as I'm typing this on my Atrix with my BT keyboard) and apps run quickly and smoothly.

HDMI out-Does not require a dongle like the Samsung does, and works quite well (after you've connected it the first time which sometimes is a pain on some T.V.s). Plus I have docking capability.

Frequent updates-Moto has already released two which has fixed several bugs. Always good to see manufacturers supporting their devices with updates.

1930mah battery-Absolutely awesome battery life. On heavy use I can get 12-16 hours while on light use I can get 30+.

High Res Screen - 960 x 540 if I recall. Text is absolutely sharp and emails are easier to read. I never liked how the Amoled display made text look a bit pixelated and whites never really looked quite white.

Speaker quality-The Atrix has awesome speaker quality! Loud and clear with good bass, crisp treble and very little distortion even at max volume. I have compared the Infuse's speaker and have to say I'm not impressed with the loudness and clarity of its speaker.

Cons
Random rebooting-I can't figure out why, but my phone seems to randomly shut itself off. It's not too much of a bother for me, but could definitely be a big problem for others. It seems to have been lessened with the updates, but my Atrix still periodically will restart. As a note, I have seen this on the Inspire as well (at a less frequent interval) so I'm not sure if this is a hardware problem, dual processor bug(maybe some of the 70+ appps I have don't work well with the dual processor) or if I have a lemon... If continues to happen too much I'll swap phones.

Strange music skipping bug-Why songs will randomly start playing another song while the player still shows I'm playing the first song is odd. Once again, not sure from what I read if this is an Android bug, phone bug or plagues Moto devices only, but I did have this problem once in a while on my Captivate so maybe its an Android bug?

Screen formatting-Yes text is super clear, but some of the apps I have used aren't formatted properly to stretch/fit the qhd screen so they look ugly.

Overall -
Regardless of the quibbles above, I'm quite happy with my Atrix. 100x better and more capable than my 3GS and up to par and better than many of the high end smartphones on the market. However, it will still come down to personal preference.

Hope this helps all those deciding on their next Android device, as well as all the newcomers!

 

[kilasix9]

Slightly updated Captivate with a bigger screen vs Moto Atrix?

Give me the Atrix all day. I'm not trying to go backwards.

 

[MarcMaiden]

I had a good day to play with this device when it came into my store.

To sum it up:

-Webpages rendered as fast as the atrix
-the screen obviously isnt as good in pixel density as the atrix, but the screen is of course better in terms of colors
-data speeds were about that same
-Camera on the infuse is better
-speaker volume is the same
-build quality is the same
-battery is about the same
-gps works
-Comes with HDMI adapter and headphones


honestly, I think the infuse is a great phone, and I wouldnt mind giving up my atrix to try it out. As of right now, there are only a few apps that begin to utilize the atrix's power but for the most part, everything ran the same on the infuse as it did on the atrix. And if you are a modder, the infuse is going to the be the better choice.

both are great phones for different people.

 

[kilasix9]

I had a good day to play with this device when it came into my store.

To sum it up:

-Webpages rendered as fast as the atrix
-the screen obviously isnt as good in pixel density as the atrix, but the screen is of course better in terms of colors
-data speeds were about that same
-Camera on the infuse is better
-speaker volume is the same
-build quality is the same
-battery is about the same
-gps works
-Comes with HDMI adapter and headphones


honestly, I think the infuse is a great phone, and I wouldnt mind giving up my atrix to try it out. As of right now, there are only a few apps that begin to utilize the atrix's power but for the most part, everything ran the same on the infuse as it did on the atrix. And if you are a modder, the infuse is going to the be the better choice.

both are great phones for different people.

So if I mod, a phone with less ram and half the processing power is a better choice for me????

And you gathered the Infuse has a better battery life after one hour of use?