Root [CDMA] Unlocked HBOOT, now what?

[Jo The Veteran]

Hi, just to be clear, my intention for starters was to use the stock HTC ROM that my device came with, is that even possible to coexist with root?

If possible onwards then. I consulted the Rooting Essentials Guide and from that I picked the HTC method due to newer boot loader, and now I'm pretty much stuck. I obviously don't have root already and when I try to flash custom zips using the boot loader, from the SD like the SU app, I get stuck in a black screen with a red triangle around a red explanation point where I can only exit by removing the battery. That thing BTW I don't EVER wanna do again in my new phone, scared the shit out of me, though it got bricked.

So now what? In the complete newbie's guide it is assumed that I will flash a custom ROM from the start and I don't wanna do that if possible. And I've found a bunch of other apps that are supposed to do rooting, most of which are downright incompatible with my phone and others that just do nothing from which I've tried Gingerbreak and Z4root.

So if anyone can point me to the right direction it'd be really appreciated.

 

[mteezey]

Hi, just to be clear, my intention for starters was to use the stock HTC ROM that my device came with, is that even possible to coexist with root?

If possible onwards then. I consulted the Rooting Essentials Guide and from that I picked the HTC method due to newer boot loader, and now I'm pretty much stuck. I obviously don't have root already and when I try to flash custom zips using the boot loader, from the SD like the SU app, I get stuck in a black screen with a red triangle around a red explanation point where I can only exit by removing the battery. That thing BTW I don't EVER wanna do again in my new phone, scared the shit out of me, though it got bricked.

So now what? In the complete newbie's guide it is assumed that I will flash a custom ROM from the start and I don't wanna do that if possible. And I've found a bunch of other apps that are supposed to do rooting, most of which are downright incompatible with my phone and others that just do nothing from which I've tried Gingerbreak and Z4root.

So if anyone can point me to the right direction it'd be really appreciated.

Welcome,
Yes you can run the stock rom while rooted alot of people do. Once rooted you will be able to customize the stock rom to your liking i.e delete bloatware, nandroid (root most powerful tool), ect. If you have already done htc unlock your next step would be get a recovery twrp is a good one. HTC unlock is just unlocking your bootloader and giving you the capability of rooting your phone it in itself is not giving you the superuser access you are looking for.Teamwin actually realeased a new recovery today that allows users with your hboot to flash kernel/boot img in recovery. Since you did htc unlock you know how to use fastboot? You need to take the recovery img put in your platform tools folder and cd fastboot flash recovery (Nameoffile.img). Once you have done that you can install superuser. Both of these files can be found in the stickies at the topof this thread.

I just noticed your hboot version make sure to use the methods for the gsm version of the phone.
you can find all the info you need for your rooting here. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1248231

 

[mteezey]

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[Jo The Veteran]

In "cd fastboot flash recovery"
did you mean
"CMD fastboot flash recovery"?!?

In any case the link you provided in the end helped me to complete the root, so thanks for that.

Some food for thought though.

When I've putted a custom recovery (RA) in my Hero it always booted to that screen from then on. In the EVO it boots in the official bootloader and only after I choose fastboot and then recovery then and only then I see the CWM menu. What's up with that? I mean, can't I completely erase the stock bootloader? I DID void my warranty when I unlocked it so what's the point of having it still around?

When I flashed the zip SU file, I then rebooted from the custom bootloader and when the phone started it presented me with a kinda "unauthorized reboot" type message and whether or not to report that activity to HTC. "Not" was the answer of course but still, any idea what was that?

Also, now that I have that divine and lovely SU up and running, is there a list with programs that I can safely erase from the main memory, I mean there are a bunch of programs that I'll probably never use, so what good is having those around, and in MAIN MEMORY also of all places!

And one last thing, can I somehow replace the HTC contacts and dialer, or just contacts, I'd guess these things go together. Replace it with the default android OS contacts app? Or if it can't be replaced have them both maybe?

 

[mteezey]

No bootloader equals phone not booting. If you use a custom ROM they usually have 7 in 1 reboot menu which will allow you to boot directly into recovery. The custom bootloader your talking about is your recovery this is a whole different partition than the bootloader. As far as the HTC contacts part try out an aosp rom or a senseless rom. I'm not familiar with the gsm version of the phone so as for that error you got on reboot I have never seen that. There's a lot goin on in that reply that's all I can remember to report back on for you. I would however suggest for you to research bootloaders, recoveries, kernels, ect and become a little more familiar with what all of these partitions do before going any further. Once you have a rough idea of how the system operates and have a better understanding what you have done this far will all make sense.

 

[Jo The Veteran]

Gotcha, well unfortunately I simply don't have the time to do some in deep study of how Android works. On the other hand it is a kinda valuable information commodity at the time so, yeah...
I just hope I finally gained enough experience, between this root and my Hero, to be able to root my next phone without the help of any of you guys. Don't get me wrong, I like the company and don't mind asking, but I bet you have better things to do with your time, right?

Well anyway, that wraps it up, thanks again for you replies, you've been a great help.

 

[jerofld]

You don't need to do any deep study. Most of what I've learned about Android has been me messing something up and then trying to figure out how to fix it. Then I tell others about what I broke and how I fixed it. Others do the same, and the next thing you know, we have a community of people who know how to fix things because we've broken it before. No one is an overnight expert. I don't even consider myself an expert and I've rooted 3 devices and am constantly flashing new stuff on my phone and occasionally flash a new ROM on my tab. Although I did just install a touchscreen recovery on my tablet.

And, in the defense of my guide on how to root, the bare stock ROM is a bit more complicated and I wanted something simple. But maybe I should include the stock ROM.

 

[Jo The Veteran]

Well I learn the same way, and I thought this time around I would be able to do root without help, kinda proved me wrong there. With so many companies, phones, OS versions, HBOOT versions and even plain bad luck I see that every time I get a new phone I'll have to start from scratch, like I know nothing from past experience. Some things are similar but others...

When you talk about breaking things dude... I gotta say, I admire your courage, I really do! I spend about half my month's salary on a phone like this every 2 or 3 years so I don't even consider doing such a thing, I'd better have unrooted phones that work, than bricks that don't. When I'm about to do something like this I make THE HELL sure that IT CAN BE DONE in the first place! I search for videos on youtube, popularity, general trends that prove it isn't just some plain BAD troll of a guy who just, issues a guide all over the place that'll just brick my phone. And that is why I ask here, and not in youtube comments or yahoo/wiki questions. That's the whole point of this forum anyway, solid and reliable information, right?
Formating my phone or making the Android unusable and have to install another ROM sure, been there, done that. But learning from experimentation about something this big? No no no, sorry, can't afford it.

Lastly, yeah, you should assume people would want to keep the stock ROM of a device they just bought. I mean, some of the money you pay in those things goes into the company's programming team that made that stock ROM, in this case HTC. Don't you think they should at least see what's all about, I mean they did pay for it so they should be allowed to spend some time with it but also enjoy the benefits of root, these things don't have to be apart.

Anyway, that's my opinion at 01:51 a.m. Maybe it'll get better after some sleep.

 

[jerofld]

Well I learn the same way, and I thought this time around I would be able to do root without help, kinda proved me wrong there. With so many companies, phones, OS versions, HBOOT versions and even plain bad luck I see that every time I get a new phone I'll have to start from scratch, like I know nothing from past experience. Some things are similar but others...

When you talk about breaking things dude... I gotta say, I admire your courage, I really do! I spend about half my month's salary on a phone like this every 2 or 3 years so I don't even consider doing such a thing, I'd better have unrooted phones that work, than bricks that don't. When I'm about to do something like this I make THE HELL sure that IT CAN BE DONE in the first place! I search for videos on youtube, popularity, general trends that prove it isn't just some plain BAD troll of a guy who just, issues a guide all over the place that'll just brick my phone. And that is why I ask here, and not in youtube comments or yahoo/wiki questions. That's the whole point of this forum anyway, solid and reliable information, right?
Formating my phone or making the Android unusable and have to install another ROM sure, been there, done that. But learning from experimentation about something this big? No no no, sorry, can't afford it.

Lastly, yeah, you should assume people would want to keep the stock ROM of a device they just bought. I mean, some of the money you pay in those things goes into the company's programming team that made that stock ROM, in this case HTC. Don't you think they should at least see what's all about, I mean they did pay for it so they should be allowed to spend some time with it but also enjoy the benefits of root, these things don't have to be apart.

Anyway, that's my opinion at 01:51 a.m. Maybe it'll get better after some sleep.

Honestly, I kinda forgot the Stock ROM even existed. My tablet wasn't even out of the box for 30 minutes before I had it rooted and a custom ROM put onto it. My next device will probably be about the same, if it's possible. And what you say is true, some of what I paid for when it comes to the device is going towards software development. But very few ROMs for the Evo 3D neglect this software. A lot of them simply tweak the settings, add additional functionality, or change the appearance. That's why I chose SteelROM for the tutorial. Because it's about 96% stock. It has some added things (like wifi tether) and some changed icons instead of the drab white icons. But Sense is there. All the 'bloat' apps are there. He tweaked the ROM to run a little faster. And that's about it. But I don't want to sound like I'm arguing with you or being defensive. Because I'm not. I like to explain my reasoning, like how you have explained your reasoning with me.

About breaking things and courage...I don't know if courage has anything to do with it. I'd say it's more about planning. Your username says you're a veteran. I'm also a vet. So you've probably heard the saying "hope for the best, expect the worse" and how it means that no matter what you set out to do, plan for things to go wrong so you know how to handle them if they do. I've always kept a RUU to completely flash my phone back to stock settings if I ever had to. I make NANDroids often and back them up to my PC. I check MD5 codes for files that have the potential to brick my phone. I also read up on what actually has the potential to brick my phone. That sort of thing.

But if you ever do get around to flashing custom ROMs and kernels, know that we're here and can help you out if you need advice or anything. No one thinks less of anyone else for asking for advice.

 

[mteezey]

FWIW I wasn't trying to be offensive in anyway either. Everytime I get a new android device its like pressing the reset button in a way. Some devices having locked bootloaders some not and it totally changes the process of how you go about rooting flashing ect. You just made me nervous when you said that about getting rid of the bootloader. So i just wanted to give you a heads up. I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea about AF. Im here for the same reasons and try to help when i can.

 

[Jo The Veteran]

Don't worry, I wasn't going to do something that big without a guide, I just asked if it was possible because in my Hero it was like that. It would boot directly to recovery, and without the official HTC boot appearing anywhere I though the custom image had removed it.
So it's all cool, but thanks for the warning anyway.