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Charging trick

Odinist

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Looks like the TB does the same charging shenanigans as the Dinc did. Got it up to 100% while the phone was on, turned the phone off, and it's now putting the rest of the charge to the battery. Just a heads up. =)


(Although it didn't take as much extra charge as the Incredible did, FWIW.)
 
Looks like the TB does the same charging shenanigans as the Dinc did. Got it up to 100% while the phone was on, turned the phone off, and it's now putting the rest of the charge to the battery. Just a heads up. =)


(Although it didn't take as much extra charge as the Incredible did, FWIW.)

Just replying to this so other people see it.

Bump charge your phones!
 
Because the battery wasn't actually at 100%, it's just the software was reporting it was at 100%.
 
im lost if you charged it to 100% how will you put more charge in it then 100%


When you charge your phone to 100% with the phone on, it seems that it's really NOT 100%. You can turn the phone off, plug the charger back in and get more juice into it.
 
what do you mean?
Im getting mine tomorrow, and just want to make sure I do that initial charge right


Just meant I was charging the phone while it was turned on. After it reported being fully charged, I left it plugged in but shut the phone down. After it shut down, it took a charge (amber light) for a handful of minutes before it hit green.


With Li-Ion's, BTW, it isn't that important to get a "proper charge" on it initially.
 
When you charge your phone to 100% with the phone on, it seems that it's really NOT 100%. You can turn the phone off, plug the charger back in and get more juice into it.

Here's the bigger problem with this. It teaches Android that the "software 100%" is the true capacity of the battery. You end up getting crappier battery life because of this.

If you charge, power off, and plug your phone back in. You'll notice it'll charge a while longer. Keep doing the charge, unplug, on/off real quick, replug, recharge thing until the green light almost immediately pops on after you plug in the phone. Now make sure to bump charge your phone this way for the first 3 - 4 times you charge it. Android will figure out the real capacity of your battery and charge it properly after that every time without bump charging.
 
The thread title had me thinking you were a street walker asking how much to charge your patrons.....
 
I tried it last night, waited until light turned green, turned it off, light stayed green. So I unplugged it for a moment and plugged it back in. Still green.
 
The best thing to do is get an external charger. HTC phones have never been able to fully charge batts. I got one for my Incredible and the difference was like night and day.
 
Android will figure out the real capacity of your battery and charge it properly after that every time without bump charging.

That's not really how a LION charger works. I've spent quite a bit of time charging LiPo cells for radio controlled airplanes and cars, and I've learned what's really going on during the charging process. (If you don't, you can easily blow up a cell and cause a fire.)

Lithium batteries have a max voltage of 4.2 volts and a min voltage of 3.0 (Different formulations can vary a little, but you'll never go wrong following that rule.)

A Lithium charger will charge your battery to 4.2 volts and then turn off. There's no "teaching" involved; the charger should always shut off at 4.2 volts, no matter what's going on. When your battery gets down to 3 volts, the phone should turn off and not turn back on until the battery voltage gets
back over 3.0v, or you apply power to the charging port.

The thing is, you can't read battery voltage while charging the battery, so the charger stops charging for a short period of time to read the voltage. This cycle is constantly going on while you charge the battery.

If the phone charges the battery for a little longer while the phone is off, the most likely scenario is that the phone is drawing the battery down a little during the reboot process, so the battery's voltage has actually dropped a little.

"Bump-charging" may actually work - it's putting a few more mA in to the battery - but I don't think you're ever going to train the charging circuit; the charging circuit is supposed to simply push the battery up to 4.2 volts and stop... no training involved. (The "training" only affects the "percent left" indicator on the phone. The voltage reading should never change its calibration over the life of the device.)

Of course, it's possible that HTC's charging process is defective, and that it's not actually pushing the battery up to 4.2 while the phone is turned on. That wouldn't surprise me one bit...
 
That's not really how a LION charger works. I've spent quite a bit of time charging LiPo cells for radio controlled airplanes and cars, and I've learned what's really going on during the charging process. (If you don't, you can easily blow up a cell and cause a fire.)

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Of course, it's possible that HTC's charging process is defective, and that it's not actually pushing the battery up to 4.2 while the phone is turned on. That wouldn't surprise me one bit...

I believe what he's saying is that it takes a few cycles for the OS to learn the battery; meaning it begins to realize what the capacity really is. For example, when you first get the phone, it might drain really fast to 30% and then sit at 30% for a few hours. That's because it really wasn't at 30%, it was at 50%. At least, I definitely noticed this behavior with my Captivate. The battery reading became much more accurate after four or five days.
 
I believe what he's saying is that it takes a few cycles for the OS to learn the battery

I agree. LiPos also have a small "break in" period of a few charge cycles. Between the two, I'd expect a small boost (maybe 25%) in performance, but I don't think we're going to see 3 hours of hands-on time magically transformed to a more reasonable 5 or 6 hours.
 
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