Most utilities are required by federal loans to install a broadband connections as part of the utilities upgrades. Cities are also jumping on because connecting the city to a central commcation center needs to happen. Wimax has been selected as the broadband tech that is going to be used.
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Dan says .. WIMAX is for sprint (NOT?)
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Almost all cites and utilities. The only two technologies that can be used is long distance wifi and wimax. Wimax is a better choice do to cost and build strength. LTE can not be used for this, it simply is not programed that way. Wimax was create for this purpose. Being open source, wimax is really the only option.
interesting. this will means though that outages will now be linked these particular areas and i can see maintenance will be a nightmare. job security for field techs.
could it be that they compress data as the opera does with there browser? its a trick that opera browser does for wap & slower 2g data phones, it helps the page load faster because its compressed & then decompressed at the browser or in phone. also it could be because they throttle the upload speed to 1.5 mbs, it used to be just 1 mbs but was raised a bit higher. there is a hack also for the evo 4G & evo 3G phones that lead me to believe this is the reason. basically what the hack does is change the "data portal" if thats what its called from lets say 123.456.789.000 to 000.000.000.000 & it would allow faster downloads up to 3 mbs faster, even evdo address is changed to all zeros & its speed is raised also. you can youtube a video & see this in action, but maybe leading our data threw a different channel allows it to go threw a closer server or uncompressed data or unthrottled. tell me what you think about this.
sprint is building a network they are calling "vision network" its a multimode network for multimode phones. sprint will keep both wimax,cdma,iden's smr & lightsquared lte. it will switch depending on which gives peak speed & better reception to your phone. & in making this deal with lightsquared theyll & using the smr bandwidth from iden theyll be able to let go of a total of 15,000 towers which could very well be the towers of which lightsquare will use? either way sprints new multimode towers will cause less emissions & use up to 75% less power to run since the witching of the frequencies will allow it to use the optimum spectrum while being more efficient. of course the consumers will be the ones to benefit from this. so in reality we will be using smr's 800mgz for voLTE & LTE data which would be sprints, the cdma 1900ghz will stay wimax i believe & if not it will be LTE but most likely be used when outdoors or closer to a tower & the 2.5 & 2.6 ghz LTE from lightsquare will be used also when its most efficient. verizon wants to switch there LTE bandwidth to the 1900mgz spectrum because its better for battery & good enough for building penetration, so it could be sprint might use the 800mgz smr for voLTE only & 1900mgz for strictly LTE data. its really confusing but if you want a clearer understanding just look up sprints vision multimode network.
FdxRider
Newbie
Sounds rather interesting,here's one of the news releases
Sprint Newsroom | Sprint Announces Network Vision ? A Cutting-Edge Network Evolution Plan With Partners Alcatel-Lucent, Ericsson and Samsung
ArmageddonX
Android Expert
I know it's totally unfounded... but my fear is they're going to completely stop WiMax expansion. Leaving me, in Phoenix, without 4G for 2 more years.
They keep pushing the time back, looks like a stall tactic. Investors want they to move to lte, because it sounds better. Sprint wants to stall the idea.
ArmageddonX
Android Expert
Somebody just told me that all WiMax phones are LTE compatible because of the nature of the technologies. That if Sprint switches to LTE it's a tower issue on their end and our phones would be able to connect to either technology. Is this true???
I.B. Pimpin
Newbie
Not accurate at all. Although the Beceem BCS500 chip which hands off seamlessly between Wimax and LTE could make this a reality.
Sprint’s Future 4G: LTE & WiMAX
Kind of, but not really. Can you upgrade the tower to use lte and send it to a wimax phone, yes you can, but it will be more of a wimax hybrid then a lte tower, but it will not 100% support lte for a full lte development, there is simply missing hardware on both the phone and the tower. On the other hand, you can not make a lte tower and phone that is 1% compatible with verizon or att. FDD and TDD do not play well together. If sprint goes with lte, it will probably be in the tdd not the fdd. If it chooses to do the fdd option it would cost more several billion dollars. Which means it would be zero compatibility with verizon and att lte networks. Bottom line, it would cost billions and billions of dollars more to get the same network they have now. For example, metropcs using lte technology but offers speeds about 3mbps. It is not the technology, it is the network build out. But the phones would need to be upgraded, the tower would need a hardware upgrade, and it would not be compatible with any other lte network.
ArmageddonX
Android Expert
So, this announcement:
Clearwire announces LTE shift as losses mount | Signal Strength - CNET News
Is this for the WiMax version of LTE, or for the separate non-compatible LTE?
Clearwire announces LTE shift as losses mount | Signal Strength - CNET News
Is this for the WiMax version of LTE, or for the separate non-compatible LTE?
Or, are they passing on LTE, and going straight for LTE Advanced??
Clearwire adding 120Mbps 'LTE Advanced-ready' technology to its holdings, restates commitment to WiMAX -- Engadget
Clearwire adding 120Mbps 'LTE Advanced-ready' technology to its holdings, restates commitment to WiMAX -- Engadget
ArmageddonX
Android Expert
This makes me upset... I just read:
"(Clearwire's) restatement of its support to the existing WiMAX network, but it's practically a guarantee that you've seen the last expansion effort on that one."
So anyone who doesn't get WiMax now (like me) will never get WiMax in the future AND if you buy a WiMax phone (like I did) then expect to never get 4G service on that device.
If I didn't absolutely love my phone as much as I do, news like this would have me thinking twice about buying ANY "4G" phone with Sprint right now.
let me ask you a question, how many phones have you had in the last say 5 years? If its one every two year contract or even if you don't change your phone every 5 years, you should be okay. Because I think that's when I expect any significant change to Wimax/LTE to come in that would make current phones obsolete. So bottom line by the time this gets actually going, you will be looking at getting a phone replacement anyway, which most likely would be more geared to the newer technology, be it wimax, wimax 2, LTE, LTE Advance or some type of hybrid.
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ArmageddonX
Android Expert
@twospirits
I agree with that point completely. However if WiMax stops expanding and is let to stay as is now, then people who don't get 4G WiMax now will not get it in the future. Which unfortunately that includes several large cities like Phoenix & others.
I'm not opposed to new Technologies coming. I'm opposed to companies not supporting/expanding the ones they are offering people now. WiMax should continue to be expanded on until Sprint no longer supports the technology on their current phone line-up. That's just my opinion.
Now, that's not realistic and I know that. At this point WiMax seems to have stopped expanding and with Clearwire making this LTE announcement I don't see WiMax expanding again... but I could be totally wrong. For all I know Dan is going to come out this fall and announce a huge WiMax & LTE expansion. We'll see...
I agree with that point completely. However if WiMax stops expanding and is let to stay as is now, then people who don't get 4G WiMax now will not get it in the future. Which unfortunately that includes several large cities like Phoenix & others.
I'm not opposed to new Technologies coming. I'm opposed to companies not supporting/expanding the ones they are offering people now. WiMax should continue to be expanded on until Sprint no longer supports the technology on their current phone line-up. That's just my opinion.
Now, that's not realistic and I know that. At this point WiMax seems to have stopped expanding and with Clearwire making this LTE announcement I don't see WiMax expanding again... but I could be totally wrong. For all I know Dan is going to come out this fall and announce a huge WiMax & LTE expansion. We'll see...
personally I would take that article with a grain of salt. But I do see your point about not having Wimax now may lead to not having it in the future. But I will wait till I hear it from Dan himself
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ArmageddonX
Android Expert
Agreed.
It honestly looks like sprint is angling to be bought out. To have lte-advance ready towers installed will add at least 600 million dollars to the 300 million dollars wimax roll out. What does lte-advance ready tower mean- simply has a lte and wimax chip installed on the tower. There is a reason that clear took a stock market hit. They do not have the capital right now to finish the wimax build out, they lost 383.3 million dollars this quarter. They are rumor to loose about 160 million more dollars next quarter. They will need to cough up 300 million dollars to finish the markets they already have started and 600 million to add lte advance ready towers to the market, not including testing, licenses, software, and hardware modifications, which could top 4 billion. The have about 800 million in cash, which means they need to get about 100 million more dollars and some how pay off the 4.02 billion dollars in debt. The also have to fix the current broken network, which they broke to begin with. Oh and find a sucker to be the CEO if a company that can do nothing but spend other peoples money and offer customers 1/10th of what they promised them. Current speed of the market I am in now, full bars is 500kbps. They are looking for a buyer, that is all I can think. They are going to spend more money, thinking that it looks good for the cameras.
ArmageddonX
Android Expert
Good news here for a lot of my fears:
Clearwire: We're not dumping WiMax | Wireless - CNET News
"Expanding (WiMax) into more markets is not off the table," Saw said in an interview with CNET today. "We will continue to add capacity where it's needed most."
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"We're selling a lot of WiMax devices, and there's no stopping that," he said. "We will continue to run WiMax as long as there's demand and we can make money off of it."
Hopefully this means Cities like Phoenix might actually get some real WiMax coverage.
Clearwire: We're not dumping WiMax | Wireless - CNET News
"Expanding (WiMax) into more markets is not off the table," Saw said in an interview with CNET today. "We will continue to add capacity where it's needed most."
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"We're selling a lot of WiMax devices, and there's no stopping that," he said. "We will continue to run WiMax as long as there's demand and we can make money off of it."
Hopefully this means Cities like Phoenix might actually get some real WiMax coverage.