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sntaylor

sntaylor

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BBC News - BBC defends Baroness Thatcher Ding Dong song decision

What do you guys think? Personally I felt rather annoyed when I heard it earlier, it is a chart song which arrived in the charts no differently than the song that beat the x factor winner at Christmas.

I do realise some would see it as distasteful, but the main audience for the chart show is aged 16-24, barely within her time in parliament, although still suffering consequences. I did read somewhere that half the people in that category had no clue who Maggie was before now anyway!
 
sntaylor said:
I do realise some would see it as distasteful, but the main audience for the chart show is aged 16-24, barely within her time in parliament, although still suffering consequences. I did read somewhere that half the people in that category had no clue who Maggie was before now anyway!
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Half had no clue? That is mad. Maybe the surveying methods were a bit off. Thatcher is more famous than Atlee, only less so than Churchill really. Of course Dave would be better known but he is the current PM.

Personally I find the whole thing ridiculously immature. These people only disgrace themselves and their cause by pissing on people's graves.
 
what is mad about that? in that age bracket 16-24...... Id be surprised if even half had a clue who she was...... since she was before their time........ they probably have heard her name bandied about in history lessons (that they didnt pay attention to) or casual conversation that they hovered about......but if 10% had a clue who she was or what she was about I would be surprised

much like in the US..... Ronald Reagan is loads more famous than <insert dang near any current person>..... and I wouldnt expect anyone in the 16-24 age bracket to have a clue about him

but I do agree with you that these people are a disgrace.... just because they are brainwashed into believing someones politics are bad does not make it justifiable to behave like animals

I despise everything that obama stands for.... I cant even express the amount of contempt I feel for the politics he practices...... however....... if he were to meet his death..... I cant imagine showing anything but grief for his families loss

in all the threads or discussions we participate in on these boards and through life thats the one common denominator we all must deal with....... todays society is immoral disrespectful trash... which is the root of all the problems

these idiots should be ashamed of themselves for their behaviour..... of course they cant because they think this is normal behaviour

(and no it doesnt just pertain to this situation or the UK... its in every so called 'civilized' society)
 
ElasticNinja said:
Half had no clue? That is mad. Maybe the surveying methods were a bit off. Thatcher is more famous than Atlee, only less so than Churchill really. Of course Dave would be better known but he is the current PM.
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A few years ago there were a group of 16-18 year olds near me on a train discussing the Royal family. They were trying to work out who the Queen's husband was, and whether he was still alive. Their consensus was that it was probably William (grandson, the one who got married last year) and they weren't certain if he was still alive.

I have no difficulty believing that a large fraction of 16-24 year olds would know little or nothing about her.
 
Speed Daemon said:
How so? What "cause"? I seem to recall that people are only liking a song, not urinating in public.
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The cause of the protest left I guess. The song is akin to targeted urination as such.


Hadron said:
A few years ago there were a group of 16-18 year olds near me on a train discussing the Royal family. They were trying to work out who the Queen's husband was, and whether he was still alive. Their consensus was that it was probably William (grandson, the one who got married last year) and they weren't certain if he was still alive.

I have no difficulty believing that a large fraction of 16-24 year olds would know little or nothing about her.
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Everyone should know Philip the Greek! He is my favourite bigot, like one's old grandfather.
 
Anecdotal evidence on a variety news programs does seem to suggest that a majority of British youngsters have a pretty hazy idea who Maggie Thatcher was .. which I guess isn't too surprising: I'm still pretty hazy about some of the Prime Ministers who were around in the years before I was born. And I take an interest in history.

As for the original issue, I find the dancing-on-the-grave thing kinda distasteful and not something I would choose to do, regardless of who died - I even found the jubilation at the deaths of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden distasteful.

On the other hand, Mrs T was probably the most unpopular and most devisive PM of the C20th: I can understand that people are outraged that she's being honoured with the same sort of funeral that was given to Winston Churchill (also devisive, though he made up for much by his leadership during WWII) and Diana (never quite understood her popularity, but there you go: she was in line to be queen) and that they would want to express that outrage, even if I don't agree with how they chose to do it.

The BBC were in a difficult situation where, whatever they did, someone was going to complain. I think the compromise they came up with was fine. Personally, I think they could have got away with saying they'd play the song if it was #1, but otherwise not. The fact they chose to explain the reason the song was in the chart - and play a short extract - showed sensitivity to both admirers and detractors.
 
Phil the Greek really is the gift that keeps on giving. An original old boy who's long past caring: always hilariously inappropriate ;)

Most 'appropriate' one for here: "People think there's a rigid class system here, but dukes have even been known to marry chorus girls. Some have even married Americans."

And his own epitaph has to be: "Dontopedalogy is the science of opening your mouth and putting your foot in it, a science which I have practiced for a good many years."
 
copestag said:
but I do agree with you that these people are a disgrace.... just because they are brainwashed into believing someones politics are bad does not make it justifiable to behave like animals
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I agree, but in Thatcher's case it wasn't that her politics were bad that caused the reaction. It was her promotion of new social "virtues" which were previously considered vices - greed, selfishness, and a lack of compassion for others were promoted and valued during Thatcher's 1980s, and they are still with us today as a consequence. In essence, she cultivated selfish Hatred in our society.

in all the threads or discussions we participate in on these boards and through life thats the one common denominator we all must deal with....... todays society is immoral disrespectful trash... which is the root of all the problems
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Again, I agree. However, Thatcher was the main instigator of what you describe as "immoral disrespectful trash". The compassionless society we now live in is a result of the qualities she promoted. Her period in office didn't just affect the world politically, but morally, moving away from Christian principles of love and compassion.

these idiots should be ashamed of themselves for their behaviour..... of course they cant because they think this is normal behaviour
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Again, I agree. They think it is normal behaviour because it is. It is the world they have grown up in and the values they have been taught by a society that was changed for ever by Thatcher and her cruel, cold promotion of personal greed and self-interest, where the individual ascends by trampling on others.

(and no it doesnt just pertain to this situation or the UK... its in every so called 'civilized' society)
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Again, I agree. Her political and moral beliefs were taken up elsewhere around the world, following her shining example of democracy, particularly by your own Ronald Reagan.

However, in the UK, the reaction to Thatcher's death is also exacerbated by the fact that the current Conservative government is implementing severe punitive cuts that affect the poorest of society, while unfairly giving tax benefits to the richest, looking after their own kind, which is a clear echo of Thatcher's original scorn for the working classes, abiding by her own moral principles in a way that would have made her proud.

Add to this the inevitable distasteful eulogizing of Thatcher by the Prime Minister David Cameron in an almost evangelical fervour of worship, and it is like grinding people's faces in the dirt after they have kicked us down.

It is understandable if people want to draw attention to the fact that she was not a wonderful woman, as all the sickening eulogizing would otherwise suggest.

Add to that the final insult of demanding the tax payers foot the
 
A picture taken from down the town yesterday......
 

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When I was a child, I learned (somewhere) to chant:

"Nixon, Nixon he's our man;
(the opponent) belongs in a garbage can!"

That wasn't very kind either, and I have little doubt that us kids got it from some unprincipled parent.

Today we have right-wing blowhards eulogizing "Saint Ronny" Reagan, who was essentially a rubber stamp of Thatcher's agenda. Which is worse? Freedom of speech or evil incarnate?
 
Actually thought I better give a little background on the sign....

Just the other week we were given the carbuncle award which the town awarded it is known as the plook (spot/zit), the area I stay in was and to an extent still is a mining town, it used to house 10000 people until the mines were shut by Thatchers government, they would have had to be shut at done point, but not as quickly etc as was done.

Carbuncles : Architecture in profile the building environment in Scotland - Urban Realm
 
sntaylor said:
Actually thought I better give a little background on the sign....
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Yeah - I had to look up the 'Plook Award' :)

sntaylor said:
the area I stay in was and to an extent still is a mining town, it used to house 10000 people until the mines were shut by Thatchers government, they would have had to be shut at done point, but not as quickly etc as was done
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To be fair to Mrs T (did not think I'd be using those words in a sentence when I got up this morning :eek:), I'm from Newcastle and most mining towns I've seen haven't exactly been paragons of architectural beauty ;)

Certainly you can call her on killing off mining, the majority of the industrial base and most things decent and caring. Not sure she carries the can entirely alone when it comes to architecture.
 
Of course not, but I think the point here is that the way in which she closed the mines caused so many people to leave the area, this has then caused the deterioration of buildings that have had to shut due to no demand in custom....same goes for all the old miners houses, many of which have been knocked down. If the closures had been managed better, I'm sure the local population would be higher with more people retiring here if nothing else!
 
Cba reading whole thread but i wana tell people how i felt when i heard the news it was dead.
Im a 37yr old Scotsman. In my younger years i thought id jump around singing and dancing when it died but i surprised myself and just thought to myself "oh well".
Her death makes no difference to anything, were living in austerity under a conservative government NOW. The people of my country didnt vote in cameron the same as we didnt vote in thatcher.
I was ashamed by the people celebrating in George Square a few miles from me because all thats happened is a human has died! A bit of quiet, dignified decorum would have been more apt imo Scotland!
I love my country but maybe we shouldnt just be so defeatest and apathetic until a human who represents what we hate dies?
I dispise thatcherism, it reminds me of hitler. Lets hate that kind of philosophy instead of having a happy/gloating hate for a figurehead that represents it :beer:
 
Absolutely.

To be fair to the people involved in the parties, I'm sure some of it was a reaction to the dispicable way the tories, not content with stealing from the poor to finance tax breaks for the rich, then decided to waste millions of poor people's money on an elaborate funeral for such a detested figure.

A more meaningful response might have been to use this energy to ensure that the tories are destroyed in next week's local elections.
 
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