Discipline vs Child Abuse

[Bob Maxey]

One of Satan's best weapons now is the whole "P.C" movement. Makes me puke.

Say . . . what about threatening to stop paying your son or daughter's cell bill? Perhaps replace their Android powered iPhone Razor S3 X Note running Baked Apple or whatever the latest OS happens to be, with a blister packed AT&T Go-Phone from the checkout isle at Wally Mart?

These days, a kid would trade one of their eyes for a cell and a pre-paid phone that cannot Tweet, SMS or FaceBook would be humiliating.

Perhaps take away the car keys and hand the little monster a week's worth of bus tokens?

So your kid has no phone and must take public transportation. What a catastrophe; a few events that to the child makes them think their life is over.

Announce a 'minutes for grades' program. "You will receive three hours of phone time every time you earn a C; four hours for a B; and a full week for an A. An A+ gets you almost a month."

"And I'll be testing you, so no cheating. If you cheat, you will receive two empty tin cans and some string." And some good walking shoes. Better learn to read a paper map.

 

[Kamau]

Say . . . what about threatening to stop paying your son or daughter's cell bill? Perhaps replace their Android powered iPhone Razor S3 X Note running Baked Apple or whatever the latest OS happens to be, with a blister packed AT&T Go-Phone from the checkout isle at Wally Mart?

These days, a kid would trade one of their eyes for a cell and a pre-paid phone that cannot Tweet, SMS or FaceBook would be humiliating.

Perhaps take away the car keys and hand the little monster a week's worth of bus tokens?

So your kid has no phone and must take public transportation. What a catastrophe; a few events that to the child makes them think their life is over.

Announce a 'minutes for grades' program. "You will receive three hours of phone time every time you earn a C; four hours for a B; and a full week for an A. An A+ gets you almost a month."

"And I'll be testing you, so no cheating. If you cheat, you will receive two empty tin cans and some string." And some good walking shows. Better learn to read a paper map.

I can see that, and I have used their cells and xbox as tools, but only a small fraction.
I'm 55,and that makes me old school. My children do as their told because (a) I said so. And (b) because it's the right thing to do.
I'm not about to make a habit of bargaining with my children, nor am I about to reward them for doing the right thing every time. Doing right is its own reward. I don't get as much as a pat on my back at work when I do right. My reward is that paycheck at the end of the week. That's life. You'll hear loads when you do wrong, but hardly a whisper when you do right. I'm simply preparing them for becoming adults, responsible grown men. Sometimes, people ask me what my contribution to society is. I tell them, raising boys to be strong & responsible men. THAT is what I give the world.
And as far as the ass whoopings go, to this day, I refrain from doing some things because I'm afraid my father, who died in 1975, will rise up and kick my ass.

Spare the rod, people, and you'll spoil the child.

 

[DeepEmissions]

@iowabowtech Thank you for the move, I was contemplating what the correct option would be...

Hey, at least this didnt start in an "...all things root" thread LOL

 

[efin]

They already do. Haven't you seen them freaking out on the floor at the grocery store? One of Satan's best weapons now is the whole "P.C" movement. Makes me puke.

PC stands for "politically corrupt" or "parentally challenged", I agree and "Mr Red" is laughing it up at all the goofballs he has trained... God help us.
There are a few mothers out there I'd like to paddle as well, typically the ones that are going about with what they are doing while little Johnny and Suzie are causing holy hell, and momma doesn't have a care...
(of course some hot mommas need a paddling as well, but that's another subject on another forum....

 

[Zero Hunter]

I was spanked as a kid with all sorts of tools, but my parents never spanked me to the point where I'm bruised, but it was enough to scare the shit out of me and to not do wrong again. Well, ok it took them a few tries to make sure I don't make certain mistakes again. I haven't decided if I will spank my own kids, but if I do, I'll be sure to do it like my parents did for me. I'm still here and making an ok living and not doing harm to society so spanking kids for disciplined worked for me.

 

[ElasticNinja]

I was spanked as a kid with all sorts of tools, but my parents never spanked me to the point where I'm bruised, but it was enough to scare the shit out of me and to not do wrong again. Well, ok it took them a few tries to make sure I don't make certain mistakes again. I haven't decided if I will spank my own kids, but if I do, I'll be sure to do it like my parents did for me. I'm still here and making an ok living and not doing harm to society so spanking kids for disciplined worked for me.

The thing is, it still is likely to have had a negative effect.
People dont want to believe this of course, its the same with things like circumcision, people say that their life is fine but in reality there was harm done.

 

[pbf98]

I was raised and very quickly did I learn from right and wrong.. And it wasn't because I was told to sit in a corner for 30 minutes with out talking... Its because I quickly learned that if I did something I knew i wasn't supposed to do I would be disciplined, and that is associated with pain. I never broke a law growing up, never smoked, never stole, never drank underage.
Is there a line, yes there is. There is such thing as child abuse, but it is not the same as disciplining your child by spanking them for doing wrong. Child abuse is much deeper than a spanking.
When I bring a child into the world, I intend on raising it just as I was, and it won't be child abuse.

 

[Bob Maxey]

They already do. Haven't you seen them freaking out on the floor at the grocery store? One of Satan's best weapons now is the whole "P.C" movement. Makes me puke.

Yup.

I see them in the grocery, the movie theater and Denny's. I see them at the butcher and the fish monger and the roadside fruit stand.

I see them running rampant in the malls, carrying on so on the bus and I've had a few touch my hair as they hang over the train seat and pester me to tears. I see them screaming their way down the street and I see them in my nightmares.

They are all over the place; they remind me of the Bible. Usually, accompanied by clueless parents.

I am reminded of Revelation 9:3-10:

"Then from the smoke came children on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to bother the people of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them. In appearance the children were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, ..."

However . . .

Is it really worse today than in times gone by?

I was quite the effervescent rascal in my day and I am sure I brought shame to my parents on more than a few occasions. And I do think the occasional non-familial adult have asked me to be quiet. I do know a smack on the arse set me on the straight and narrow path.

These days, ask a parent to control their obnoxious children can create problems as well.

Not sure if it is more people and younger parents or if we just think it is worse. Perhaps it is this: I am just to old and everything--as you know--bothers old people. I think with every passing decade, I grow increasingly intolerant. But that is my cross to carry 'till the end quietly arrives.

Regardless, I am a big proponent of child sized cages. On the other hand, a few parent sized cages are likely needed as well. Paint them in festive colors and add a dollar bill changer. The only problem is some parents will forget to claim their kids. Either legitimately or on purpose.

 

[Bob Maxey]

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[Bob Maxey]

I was raised and very quickly did I learn from right and wrong.

I was raised the same way. A swat or as we called it, a spanking was all that was usually needed. It was never child abuse. At least not until the PC police arrived and determined that everything was child abuse.

God help us if we are called "child abusers" in court or by the Child Protective Services folks.

Most parents in my day were loving parents and spanking was tolerated. Parents knew where to draw the line. When a parent was convicted of child abuse, there was a bloody good reason for it. Abusers were shunned and strongly punished; usually by jurors and judges who had no problem spanking their kids.

Well, usually. I also remember the wide leather belt and cutting a switch. I feared those words: "just wait until your father gets home." Even the warnings that Santa will bring you a lump of coal was enough to make us eat our vegetables, put away our toys and get good grades.

I think before you are charged or accused, your accusers must be forced to endure the wrath of your little ones for two weeks.

I am reminded of Revelations 9:30-10:

"Then from the smoke came locusts on the earth, and they were given power like the power of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green plant or any tree, but only those people who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were allowed to torment them for five months, but not to kill them, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it stings someone. And in those days people will seek death and will not find it. They will long to die, but death will flee from them. In appearance the locusts were like horses prepared for battle: on their heads were what looked like crowns of gold; their faces were like human faces, ..."

Zager and Evans had it right: "In the year 6565 You won't need no husband, won't need no wife. You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too, From the bottom of a long glass tube"

I think we should be able to order custom kids. Pre-educated and if you can afford it, trained to act civil. Perhaps even rooted.

 

[Bob Maxey]

Let me tell you all something.
The Mrs & myself lost our kids for almost a year because of whipping ones ass when he got out of line. But long story short, we have told those people that when our children get too far out, we will whoop that ass again because they are OUR children, and we will. CPS does not scare me, nor will they tell me how to raise my children, or when/how I punish them.

Part of the problem is this: take one over protective and ever so evil CPS worker hell bent on proving you are a child abuser and you can be deep in it before you notice all that brown stuff piling up on the soles of your feet.

You have read about the abuses and to be fair, I do not want to paint them all with the same dirty brush. So I'll simply say, SOME CPS workers have, in the past, caused parents grief.

Give a bad CPS worker custody of your child for a few hours, and he or she can prove you abused your kid. They can make your youngster say you did something bad because the kid is scared and eventually, he or she will tell the investigators what they want to hear. Then you are likely screwed.

Do these things happen all the time? No. I am not sure how many parents are charged or how many kids are taken away. I'll say it does happen and I'll say if you ever became the subject of a CPS "investigation," find a good lawyer because you will need one.

I do not fear them but I do not have kids. I just know if you tick off the investigator, his or her mission in life can be to get you and I suspect the needs of your children take a back seat to the investigation as well as your kid.

So do not fear them, just understand if they take an interest in your family, you darn well better take it seriously.