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Educate me on MO

Shane2943

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So, my wife and I were born and raised in Houston TX. We've never lived anywhere else but here.

........we hate it. We want out. It's too big, too flat, too crowded (and getting worse by the day), too unaccepting, and not for us any more.

We initially were going to move to Austin, but that would be almost like another Houston, so we're looking at leaving TX.

My wife's sister lives in MN, but I know we'd be miserable up there with the winters and flatness and such. So we're kind of looking at a middle-ground between her sister in MN, my parents in Kerrville TX and her Aunt in Virginia. Missouri seems like a decent middle ground with two moderately sized cities to choose from.

I work in tech and my wife in office administration. I know there's a tech boom going on in Kansas City much like the one happening in Austin TX.

How is Missouri for those of you who live there, or lived there, or know someone who lives there?

How's the traffic to either city (we want to live in a smaller town outside the city)?
How's the real estate there, specifically rental market?
Where the better parts of town to live around either city? Don't want to move to the crime riddled part and have to shoot a bunch of bad guys. You know, with the paperwork and hassle. ;)
Motorcycle roads and such?
Hills? Gotta have hills/mountains. So tired of the flat flat flat endless flatness.
Taxes/politics?
Job market? Tech looks decent in KC at least. My wife should be able to find work pretty easily (hopefully).
Culture? TX, especially Katy/Houston, is obsessed with football, kids, "family," sports, 'Merica, football, kids, football, kids, and football. Can people in MO hold a conversation about topics outside of those?

We don't have kids, nor are we going to have kids, so school districts matter little (unless they severely effect the taxes like they do in TX).

Toss out some other state ideas if you got 'em. Another state we're kind of looking at is TN.
 
Your post made me chuckle. Your description of Texas exactly matches my [now fading, thank goodness] memories of it. I lived in Dallas for years, even though I truly hated it; I never got used to its miserable heat/humidity in the summer, its well-below-freezing (like single digit) temperatures and ice and snow in the winter, the swarms of mosquitoes devouring me every time I dared walk outside in spring/summer, etc. And then the flatness, the oppressive political and social climate...and nothing but football on anyone's minds. I am BEYOND ECSTATIC to be back home in Southern California (moved back here in 2006), and will never, ever move away again.

I can't help you really with your questions about Missouri, although I have been there. But I never lived there.

If you're really interested in mountains...and a LOT more--like the ocean--why not head west? :D California is the home of the tech industry, and the pay is way better than in other states. Yes, housing is outrageously higher here, but so is the pay.

If that's not an option, what about Arizona or New Mexico? I lived in the latter and loved it (Albuquerque), and I've been to Arizona many times and really like it there. Lots of mountains in both states, housing is much less than out here, but I really don't know about their job market.
 
The stereotypical view of the US from abroad is of a narrow strip of civilisation around the edges with a vast redneck wasteland in the centre :D

The views on TX are definitely playing to what I'm sure is a totally unfair stereotype!
 
I have a sister in Tennessee.

I've always found it beautiful there and the people friendly. Personally I enjoy Nashville.

Sorry, that's all I can suggest based on experience given your desire to be agile for family travel.
 
Kerrville you say?? ha!...Did you grow up/live there?:rolleyes: I'm almost embarressed to admit it...my loser Dad lives there ...because my great great?grandfather on my Dad's side founded it... Lot's of things are named after my family last name..schools mountains etc...it probably deludes him into thinking he is something special or something....sad really........our family portraits are in the historical library...although from what I recall...that Clarabelle Snodgrass (name makes me laugh) historian lady ended up only hanging the male portraits!
good because I didn't want mine there in the first place , and said no...but she kept begging...and my grandmother asked me nicely...so I said fine...but I guess she decided only the male decendants were worthy...hey good news is she made a mistake entering my birthdate in the official historical records...so according to the records I am officially one year younger than I actually really am!!! ding dongs!!!..:rolleyes:


PS....nothing against Texas!!!I like Texas!!!...I have friends in Texas!!Austin Houston and other places..:) and nothing against Ms. Snodgrass..my grandmother said that she was a lovely old fashioned southern lady..She has since passed I believe...

I've heard MO is nice!:) never been..but have a friend who grew up there
I also have a friend who lives in Tenn. now...she loves it! she is a teacher and her husband is in IT.
 
You may want to take a look at St. Charles County, MO. It's a neighboring county of St. Louis. They say one of the fastest growing counties in the country.

St. Charles County, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also alot of people are moving or already live, what we call the Metro East. Illinois side of the river.

Metro East - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know much about KC but have visit it a few times. I personally didn't like it or for that matter don't like STL area, even though I'm from this area.
 
The stereotypical view of the US from abroad is of a narrow strip of civilisation around the edges with a vast redneck wasteland in the centre :D

The views on TX are definitely playing to what I'm sure is a totally unfair stereotype!
ST, I lived there. Trust me, it's NOT an unfair stereotype.

You know how Texas makes such a big deal about how friendly it is? "Drive Friendly, the Texas Way!" and crap like that? Well, the truth is, the worst drivers I've ever seen are in Texas. They do things I, as a Californian, couldn't comprehend--like driving 20MPH in the 'fast' lane of freeways, when there's absolutely no traffic slowing things down in front of them. So people like me, with lead feet, come zooming up on them and then have to slam on the brakes in order to avoid creaming their car. You can flash your lights, honk your horn, gesture with your hands for them to move over, all to no avail. (Well, on a good day, you may get brake-checked. :mad:) Not only do they not give a shit, but neither do the police! Drivers like that should be pulled over, warned that their slow driving is impeding the flow of traffic AND endangering lives, and then if they do it again they should be cited. But, NO!!

More of the 'friendly' driving in Texas involves running you off the road, like when you're trying to merge onto a freeway from an on-ramp or you signal to change lanes. They'll speed up, slow down, stand on their heads...whatever it takes to prevent you from merging.

Some more fun I experienced while living there: In 1992, we proudly placed some Clinton/Gore signs in our front yard, and slapped some stickers on our cars. We were the ONLY house in our neighborhood (in a North Dallas suburb) to dare to have Clinton signs in our yard. And my bumper stickers? Caused me to be insulted by the owner of a nursery I'd gone to to pick up some plants. He lit into me about "we don't need YOUR kind of people here!" I remember thinking to myself, "MY kind of people? gainfully employed, professional, high-paying career people? tax paying people? law abiding citizen people? people who do volunteer work? people who raise their children with morals and an empathic understanding that others are not as fortunate as we are? hmmmmm..."

Or the time I came out of a store to find a nasty note on my windshield. Referring to my pro-Democrat, pro-vegetarian bumper stickers, and my personalized plate that said I was a California native, this dumb hick bozo--who didn't have the balls to say this to my face--left a note saying "if you love California and the Democrats so much, LEAVE!!" (And that was on my birthday.)
 
If it's not too far out of the way, I used to live in Lawrence, KS and LOVED it. It's about 30-40min drive to Kansas City. Medium to small size city, lots of culture due to it being a college town, there's a HILL! and folks are super nice. No idea about the job situation but cost of living is next to nothing. ;)
I've been to Kansas City a couple times (usually just to the airport) and it seems nice. Food scene is decent, traffic doesn't seem to be too crazy. Overland Park and Kansas City, KS (yes, there's two of em) are pretty ritzy due to a lot of the tech being there.
In terms of sports/football..... well it's still the Midwest. It's gonna be huge EVERYWHERE. But, KS is a fairly cosmopolitan city, I imagine you'll find all kinds of folks who can talk about anything. Also, if it means anything, MO is pretty spread out politically where the majority of the state is conservative, the two major cities are pretty diverse.
Best of luck! :)
 
ST, I lived there. Trust me, it's NOT an unfair stereotype.

You know how Texas makes such a big deal about how friendly it is? "Drive Friendly, the Texas Way!" and crap like that? Well, the truth is, the worst drivers I've ever seen are in Texas. They do things I, as a Californian, couldn't comprehend--like driving 20MPH in the 'fast' lane of freeways, when there's absolutely no traffic slowing things down in front of them. So people like me, with lead feet, come zooming up on them and then have to slam on the brakes in order to avoid creaming their car. You can flash your lights, honk your horn, gesture with your hands for them to move over, all to no avail. (Well, on a good day, you may get brake-checked. :mad:) Not only do they not give a shit, but neither do the police! Drivers like that should be pulled over, warned that their slow driving is impeding the flow of traffic AND endangering lives, and then if they do it again they should be cited. But, NO!!

More of the 'friendly' driving in Texas involves running you off the road, like when you're trying to merge onto a freeway from an on-ramp or you signal to change lanes. They'll speed up, slow down, stand on their heads...whatever it takes to prevent you from merging.

Some more fun I experienced while living there: In 1992, we proudly placed some Clinton/Gore signs in our front yard, and slapped some stickers on our cars. We were the ONLY house in our neighborhood (in a North Dallas suburb) to dare to have Clinton signs in our yard. And my bumper stickers? Caused me to be insulted by the owner of a nursery I'd gone to to pick up some plants. He lit into me about "we don't need YOUR kind of people here!" I remember thinking to myself, "MY kind of people? gainfully employed, professional, high-paying career people? tax paying people? law abiding citizen people? people who do volunteer work? people who raise their children with morals and an empathic understanding that others are not as fortunate as we are? hmmmmm..."

Or the time I came out of a store to find a nasty note on my windshield. Referring to my pro-Democrat, pro-vegetarian bumper stickers, and my personalized plate that said I was a California native, this dumb hick bozo--who didn't have the balls to say this to my face--left a note saying "if you love California and the Democrats so much, LEAVE!!" (And that was on my birthday.)

Ouch!
 

Quite - think I understand why you went back to SoCal, Moody!

Re the politics: the irony is that people are now saying parts of TX have turned blue and the entire state could turn over the next decade or two.

On the driving, around my way they seem to have uni-speed cars: they do 40mph whether the speed limit is 20 or 70 :mad:

As for hanging around in the middle and/or outside lane: it's illegal here to undertake but the Brits have an absolute obsession with never driving in the inside lane. Drives me absolutely potty. The good news is the police are now supposed to fine people who drive in an overtaking lane when there's nothing to overtake :D

Unfortunately, no-one takes any notice .. yet

The French are very different: they're great at staying in the inside line unless overtaking. Problem is, when they get about 10 yards behind a vehicle they need to overtake, they pull out.

Regardless.

Scares the bejazus out of you first couple of times a farm truck doing 40 pulls out 50 yards ahead of you when you're doing a ton (100mph), but you do eventually get used to it .. learn and live as much as live and learn.
 
I live on the Kansas side of KC. Go Royals!


How's the traffic to either city (we want to live in a smaller town outside the city)?
We complain about traffic here. We really don't have any right to complain about traffic here. I35 into downtown from the Kansas suburbs kind of gets backed up during rush hour. I don't venture much into "the Northland" (Liberty, North Kansas City, and Kansas City, North (yes, those are 2 different cities)), so I can't comment there.

I435 encircles the city. The southern leg gets backed up both ways; eastbound traffic to/from the MO suburbs, westbound traffic to/from the KS suburbs.

I've been a passenger in a car driving through Dallas and Houston to get to the port in Galveston. We really don't have any right to complain about traffic here in KC. Hell, even St. Louis is worse (I have driven there).

We do have a traffic monitor website: kcscout.net

How's the real estate there, specifically rental market?
Cost of real estate is low. I own my house, so I don't know about the rental market.
Where the better parts of town to live around either city?
Good: Johnson County, KS. Western Kansas City, Kansas (out by the Kansas Speedway). Suburban parts of the Northland (again, minimal experience there). Lee's Summit, MO. Blue Springs, MO. Extreme eastern Independence, MO.

Good, if you're a hipster: Downtown KC, MO. "The Crossroads" (arts district), just south of downtown KC MO.

Bad: Eastern Kansas City, KS. Independence, MO except as noted above. Most of KCMO outside of hipsterville, as noted above.
Motorcycle roads and such?
Hills? Gotta have hills/mountains. So tired of the flat flat flat endless flatness.
I'm not a motorcyclist. Having been to Texas, I can say that KC is not as flat as Texas. But if you're looking for mountains, you're looking in the wrong place. You could go to the Ozarks in southern MO/northern Arkansas, I guess...
Taxes/politics?
Property taxes are really high in Wyandotte County (KC, KS, plus a few outlying cities like Bonner Springs and Edwardsville). Property taxes are somewhat high in Johnson County (where I live). I pay about 1.5% of my home's assessed value. Property taxes tend to be lower on the Missouri side.

Kansas City, Missouri has a 1% earnings tax. If you live in KCMO, you pay 1% on everything you earn. If you work, but don't live, in KCMO, you pay 1% on what you make in KCMO. I used to work in KCMO. As inept as the KCMO government is, I'd rather have set fire to 2% of my money in front of the KCMO city council than pay them 1%.

Sales tax is around 7-8% across the city. Certain districts may have special development sales taxes. For example, the Power and Light entertainment district downtown ends up around 10% total sales tax, IIRC.

Income tax used to be about 6% in Kansas, 4% in Missouri. Kansas is changing its rates as of this year, I think it will be lower. If you live in one state but work in the other, you'll have to file your taxes in both states. However, you don't get double-taxed; the lesser amount you pay in taxes to the first state is credited towards your payment for the second state.


Job market?
I'm a software developer. I get several Linkedin requests from recruiters weekly, saying they think I'd be good for a job they're headhunting for. In fact, I just started a new job that I found this way. It's crazy, in a good way.

Just be careful about working for Cerner. They have a sweatshop reputation. I've heard mixed reports that they're trying to change that, but I don't have conclusive results there.
Culture? TX, especially Katy/Houston, is obsessed with football, kids, "family," sports, 'Merica, football, kids, football, kids, and football. Can people in MO hold a conversation about topics outside of those?

We don't have kids, nor are we going to have kids, so school districts matter little (unless they severely effect the taxes like they do in TX).

Toss out some other state ideas if you got 'em. Another state we're kind of looking at is TN.
School districts do matter even if you don't have kids because school districts drive property values, at least here. KCMO schools are an absolute mess. In fact, they're unaccredited right now. Sending your kids to KCMO schools should be considered child abuse.

Sports are kind of weird here. KC is a fairwether town. We'll never compete with Texas on football obsession, but the Chiefs are doing well this year, so they are talked about quite a bit right now. The local colleges (KU, K-State, Mizzou) are popular as wel.

If sports aren't your thing, we have other avenues. The arts district (including the Kauffman Center for Performing Arts), the Westport party district, etc. I'm kind of a homebody, so I'm not the greatest person to comment here.
 
Lawrence, KS and LOVED it. there's a HILL!

What are you talking about, "a" hill? Lawrence is the only city in the world where it's scientifically impossible to walk downhill anywhere; it's all uphill. I've walked uphill less in mountainous Latin American cities than I did in Lawrence.
 
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