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Eyesight problems using Android 13

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ALEX2023user

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Hello everyone.
recently i upgraded my g 10 to android 13.After using a while i have got headaches and fatigue.This problem happened when i had navigate on chrome and phone menu.I remarked subtile gray letters on chrome search results who provoked me eyestrain end discomfort.Please check this with a comparison between an android 11 phone and android 13 phone.
 
ALEX2023user said:
Hello everyone.
recently i upgraded my g 10 to android 13.After using a while i have got headaches and fatigue.This problem happened when i had navigate on chrome and phone menu.I remarked subtile gray letters on chrome search results who provoked me eyestrain end discomfort.Please check this with a comparison between an android 11 phone and android 13 phone.
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I've never seen anything like that on my Android 13 device. Chrome search results should actually be very clear and readable, like white text against a very dark grey background. It could be the way you've got your phone or tablet setup? Are you using any sort of custom theme, and possibly it didn't agree with the Android 13 update, resulting in poor readability?
 
What options do Moto give you for changing system font?. Chrome is just an app, not part of the OS, so if its appearance has changed I am guessing that it's using some system fonts which this system update has changed. So if you have any theming options or any way to change system fonts this might let you fix the issue.

If not then all I can suggest is using a different browser or search engine that doesn't use the same font. Or maybe select dark mode and see whether that is more readable.

I'm using Android 13, but don't have this problem (I don't use Chrome, but my system menus are perfectly readable). But different manufacturers do different things, so your device's Android 13 may not be the same as mine. Also I do use dark mode: I set that the moment I got the phone because it's what I've used for years, but I just tried light mode and that did feel like it would strain my eyes more.
 
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@Saimel
i have -1.50 on both eyes by 20 years but i never felt tired like this time when i am using android 13.my old android 11 was perfect to me i was able to navigate hours and hours without eyestrain.But this time the subtile grey fond brings me some issues.In last time o observed this subtile grey frond,like a fine fog in new gamas
 
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@Saimel
i have -1.50 on both eyes by 20 years but i never felt tired like this time when i am using android 13.my old android 11 was perfect to me i was able to navigate hours and hours without eyestrain.But this time the subtile grey fond brings me some issues.In last time o observed this subtile grey frond,like a fine fog in new gamas
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This "subtile grey frond" is unfamiliar to me. Suggest you post a screen-shot of the problem. So we might see and possibly understand this issue. But it does sound like something that can be fixed on your device. If it's just in Chrome, try using a different browser, e.g. Firefox, and if you are using a custom skin or theme, try resetting it back to defaults.
 
I don't know how similar it is to a Moto, but Samsung's android 13 does use a lower density font for some elements, probably a bit less dense than some earlier versions. I can see how that lower contrast could lead to more rapid eye strain, especially against a white background at high brightness (and at low brightness it could just be hard to read).

Seriously, look in your display settings and try dark mode. I think the contrast is a little better, but more importantly the darker background may be less straining on the eyes.

(I assume that "frond" was an autocorrect mangling of "font").
 
@mikedt
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Look at the font of the the sun.co and the letters under the sun link
 
Perhaps your screen shot doesn't reflect the problem with your text. It looks just fine to my old eyes. I do far prefer dark mode and the brightness of your background is harsh to my eyes. I am viewing your text on a PC monitor vs a phone screen. As a thought, you might check your phone settings for visibility enhancements. Changing the contrast might assist you.
 
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@mikedt
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Look at the font of the the sun.co and the letters under the sun link
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I'm very sure it's NOT your Android 13 phone or browser doing this. The text or font colour is actually determined by the website itself, via the HTML, Javascript, etc. If the website designers at Google have decided on a grey instead of black for search reesults text, then that's what your browser will show.
 
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@Hadron
Be sure i will not using dark mode and i don't recommend to everyone.Why? Because the eye will become lazy and more sensitivity to natural light
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YMMV but I'm always using dark modes and themes whenever I can, on computers and phones. Because I find large areas of brilliant white on a screen is tiring to my eyes. Windows 10 and 11 in defaults is dreadful for having bright white for almost everything, and would very likely cause me migraines in the long term.

BTW are you an optometrist perchance?
 
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Actually your screenshot looks better than I expected - only marginally lighter than regular black text. Of course I'm looking at it on my screen, so it could look different on yours because the display panel and its settings differ (an obvious difference is that the g10 has a much lower resolution than my phone but a significantly larger screen, which would make text less clear. But it also doesn't tell us what the contrast, brightness, colour calibration etc of your display is, because it shows the input to your display rather than the output from it).

As for dark mode making the eye lazy and more sensitive to natural light, I know what theory you are referring to though I'd not have phrased it like that. Perhaps we should get the people who push that line and the people who say that blue light from screens will destroy your eyes together and see whether they explode on contact? ;) Seriously, the best way to reduce eyestrain from screens is to reduce the amount of time spent looking at screens. I find bright light emitting screens more straining, maybe you don't, and if you don't want to try that's fine. But I'm an empiricist at heart, so my preference is always to see what actually works for me.
 
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You could be photosensitive. When Android went to the blinding white UX back in Lollipop, and doubled down after Android 9, I retreated back to the darker Holo era of Android 4.x on some old phones. Today, I'm using 13 and I enabled dark mode (it's set to kick in when indoors or when it's late in the day) as well as Motion Eye Care (blue light filter) around the same time. It's made the whole flat 'modern' UI far more pleasing to me. Without the depth of skeuomorphism it can be very eye straining, Especially on OLEDs to which I'm extremely sensitive to PWM which causes migraines. These issues are why I had to stockpile incandescent bulbs before the stores all stopped selling them, because I cannot tolerate LED lighting one bit. Too harsh, bright.

Modern UI can bring these types of issues to light if you're undiagnosed. Dark mode and blue light filters can work around the issue, but they are honestly compensation for bad UI design. Our eyes are meant to perceive a 3-D world, not a 2-D cartoon, so it can cause strain to stare long-term at a 2-D cartoon which most modern UI is. It's honestly painful to sit in front of a Windows 10 PC with Edge full-screen in full light mode on a web page that has tons of whitespace and thin fonts. It is literally painful, and it amazes me how anyone can stand to look at it.
 
Several years ago I worked in casino surveillance and we went from analog (vhs tapes)to a Digital system and we got these monitors that were supposed to be state of the art .
I remember my first shift I keep seeing wavy lines going across the screen and then ghost images in the back, I had been dealing with migraines for a while but those monitors made it worse, I was getting sick running to the rest room to throw up, I found that if I wore sunglasses it helped a little that and drinking pepto bismol or some other stomach relief medication. I would go home and lay in the closet because it was the darkest place. I took a lot of grief from my co workers, they complained that I was making stuff up regarding the monitors and going to the rest room was my way of getting a couple of extra breaks
On one really bad day I couldn't get out of the room so I threw up in a trash bin and kept on working, that was when people started to realize that I wasn't joking or making stuff up. A month or two later other surveillance members started to have issues with the monitors like I was.
As I recall it turn out to be something do with a software processing system, when the new digital system was installed they were running two systems for testing and other things. Once they got the software problem fixed it helped a little, but eventually we got rid of the new monitors went back to the old monitors and finally upgraded to giant 4k hd flat screen monitors that were awesome
 
To demonstrate PWM all one has to do is get an old Samsung Galaxy phone (even an S5) and film it with another device's camera. You'll see similar flickering you once got if you filmed a CRT TV. While when looking at the phone itself you don't see the flicker (some people like me sorta can out of the corner of our eyes) your brain still reacts to it. Looking at any OLED long-term when I used to read ebooks on my phones caused migraines.

I never get headaches of any type when spending long hours in front of my Windows 7 laptop.
 
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