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fcc clears cdma Nexus 1

the thing is, vzw's LTE and Sprint's wimax won't be compatible with the N1. so the speed of the N1 on a cdma/evdo based network won't exceed the current theoretical max speed of 2.4mbps in the best case scenario.

t-mo and i think att are upgrading their their existing gsm/hspa network to hspa+, which is compatible with the N1, meaning a theoretical boost in speed of up to 7.2mbps in the best case scenario.
 
sourmilk said:
the thing is, vzw's LTE and Sprint's wimax won't be compatible with the N1. so the speed of the N1 on a cdma/evdo based network won't exceed the current theoretical max speed of 2.4mbps in the best case scenario.

t-mo and i think att are upgrading their their existing gsm/hspa network to hspa+, which is compatible with the N1, meaning a theoretical boost in speed of up to 7.2mbps in the best case scenario.
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That is if you get 3g or coverage at all. T-mobile's network is TINY
 
sourmilk said:
the thing is, vzw's LTE and Sprint's wimax won't be compatible with the N1. so the speed of the N1 on a cdma/evdo based network won't exceed the current theoretical max speed of 2.4mbps in the best case scenario.

t-mo and i think att are upgrading their their existing gsm/hspa network to hspa+, which is compatible with the N1, meaning a theoretical boost in speed of up to 7.2mbps in the best case scenario.
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True, but their ultimate goal is to switch to LTE with HSPA+ serving as a bridge (so they don't screw over all their customers)

In either case all Verizon phones are going to have to upgrade if they want 4G when LTE rolls out. At least by then, you'll get your whole "surfing the internet" while "on the phone" thing you wanted.
 
QrafTee said:
I don't know about that, Verizon is notorious for locking their phone down to their network--although it seems contradictory with Google's practices.
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Goggle wants to have the N1 on all 4 carriers, Verizon has no say. There are numerous reports of the N1 being in Sprint's system and it will probably show up in the spring along with the Legend (or similar phone) and then the SS (if it really exists) running Wimax and 4G will show up in the fall.
 
sourmilk said:
the thing is, vzw's LTE and Sprint's wimax won't be compatible with the N1. so the speed of the N1 on a cdma/evdo based network won't exceed the current theoretical max speed of 2.4mbps in the best case scenario.

t-mo and i think att are upgrading their their existing gsm/hspa network to hspa+, which is compatible with the N1, meaning a theoretical boost in speed of up to 7.2mbps in the best case scenario.
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That's why I went with the TMo's version for now rather than wait for the CDMA variant. Also the ability to be on a call and surf at the same time. And HSPA should be up for the rest of the country by year's end at the latest.
 
sourmilk said:
Had vzw and sprint 3g for two years. No simultaneous voice and data, resulting in missed calls while using data, and lack of coverage overseas was a major pain. Now that i have GSM, will never go back to cdma again.
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I don't think that's how it works. I've seen people say with their droid while they are using data apps like Pandora the app pauses and the call goes through. Then when they hang up it resumes again.

Also, GSM edge has the exact same problem as CDMA. You only get voice and data on 3g GSM which makes those AT&T and TMobile maps important again.
 
sourmilk said:
the thing is, vzw's LTE and Sprint's wimax won't be compatible with the N1. so the speed of the N1 on a cdma/evdo based network won't exceed the current theoretical max speed of 2.4mbps in the best case scenario.

t-mo and i think att are upgrading their their existing gsm/hspa network to hspa+, which is compatible with the N1, meaning a theoretical boost in speed of up to 7.2mbps in the best case scenario.
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It's 3.1Mbps for EVDO rev A which most of the CDMA phones have been since last summer.

HSPA peaks out at 7.2Mbps, and the N1 is compatible with that. HSPA+ peaks at 21Mbps, and the N1 is not compatible with that. If you look at the specs for Qualcomm's Snapdragon processors, that's where the limitation is, so any phone based on this chip won't be HSPA+ compatible. T-Mobile is going forward with HSPA+, but it's not clear yet if AT&T is going to officially delay LTE for the much easier update of HSPA+. I do recall reading a review awhile back that said HSPA+ makes HSPA phones faster. An HSPA phone on an HSPA network could only hit around 4-5Mbps max, but and HSPA phone on an HSPA+ network was able to hit around 7Mbps max. Upgrading the network will impact all users.
 
drhill said:
I don't think that's how it works. I've seen people say with their droid while they are using data apps like Pandora the app pauses and the call goes through. Then when they hang up it resumes again.

Also, GSM edge has the exact same problem as CDMA. You only get voice and data on 3g GSM which makes those AT&T and TMobile maps important again.
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I think you're right. Calls come through on CDMA, you just lose your data temporarily. The EDGE problem is a very real one when considering coverage. I have family in northern PA. Checking AT&T maps, about halfway through my trip from the DC area, I'd drop to EDGE (just north of Harrisburg). What's worse, once I get within an hour of my family, I'd drop to GPRS roam (:eek:) and stay that way in their small town. Hello dial-up speeds! With Verizon, I'm 3G all the way, including in their town. I know people downplay rural wireless broadband, but when I'm up there, 3.1Mbps >>>>> 35 kbps (what AT&T's website says I can expect).
 
I am definitely making the switch from Eris to N1 once it comes out for VZW. The Eris just doesn't have the power or features I would expect from a "smart" phone. My wife said she would take it as all she does is make calls and text.
 
kyler13 said:
It's 3.1Mbps for EVDO rev A which most of the CDMA phones have been since last summer.

HSPA peaks out at 7.2Mbps, and the N1 is compatible with that. HSPA+ peaks at 21Mbps, and the N1 is not compatible with that.
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True, but based on the test jkontherun did, it seems the N1 gets a nice boost to 7.2 mbps when in HSPA+ range. I would be very happy with that at till LTE goes mainstream.

As for the missed calls thing, it didn't happen all the time when I was on vzw 3g, but it happened enough. Never when using pandora but usually when i was surfing. It happened enough so that i got really paranoid and never used the internet when waiting for a phone call. Then again i was using the storm so maybe the storm was to blame. I didn't have the sprint hero long enough to compare.

I don't find the need to talk and surf too often, though that might change if i start using google nav, but not being able to receive emails while talking is a drag. this was particularly painful when talking to iphone users. they would send me an email while talking and ask me to check it out. i would tell them that i don't get emails while using voice and in a smug tone they would say, "oh really? android sucks, you should get an iphone." :mad: i tried to explain that it's a cdma thing and not android but of course they had no idea what i'm talking about.
 
sourmilk said:
True, but based on the test jkontherun did, it seems the N1 gets a nice boost to 7.2 mbps when in HSPA+ range. I would be very happy with that at till LTE goes mainstream.
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I thought I said this in my post above. That HSPA+ makes HSPA phones perform better.

I don't find the need to talk and surf too often, though that might change if i start using google nav, but not being able to receive emails while talking is a drag. this was particularly painful when talking to iphone users. they would send me an email while talking and ask me to check it out. i would tell them that i don't get emails while using voice and in a smug tone they would say, "oh really? android sucks, you should get an iphone." :mad: i tried to explain that it's a cdma thing and not android but of course they had no idea what i'm talking about.
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Well, pretty soon Android will be a choice on AT&T. I still wouldn't get the iPhone. I don't like the email client at all. I don't like the pages of icons. Too much clutter. It's just...too...basic. Hey, the next time you're talking to someone, tell them to hop on their iphone and check out some website with flash video. When they can't, reply in a smug tone, "oh really? the iphone sucks. You should get an Android phone." ;)
 
grainysand said:
Bad idea unless you're running a Desire ROM given that no flash support is available yet officially.
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True for the Google experience handsets like the Droid or Nexus One, but it's right around the corner. The Verizon Eris and Sprint Hero do have limited flash support built-in from HTC. I believe Jobs pretty much spit on Adobe at CES so don't expect to see flash support in Safari any time soon.
 
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