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Root forum is back ! and whats up with htc

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There was also this:
HTC Forces Owner Of HTCRUU.com To Shut Down, Hand Over The ROMs (And Domain)

From that one it seems HTC is more worried about being misrepresented. They don't want to have an image of "the phone that is easily hacked" etc. I can understand and respect that.

Then this yesterday also makes things shaky:
Carrier-Unlocking Smartphones Will Be Illegal In The U.S. Tomorrow: Here's How (And If) It Affects You
Having or unlocking a phone that you own will NOT be an issue, please do not misunderstand. I am talking now about people who help build tools and others to achieve this. We were all noobs at one point, some when on to stepped up and build us awesome tools, ROMs and Firmware to accomplish this "not so easy" task so when I read:

From the above artificial:
Legal action might be taken against people who provide tools for others to unlock their phones, but even that is up to how much companies like AT&T and Verizon want to pursue them
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I get pissed off and de-motivated by that. We know that carers will not ALLOW it since locking people in and making them buy new phone and contracts etc makes good money. Unlocking tools enable people, that's bad for there business! My focus has always been to help enable people to have the phone they want to have. Only since the carers or manufactures will not. This is about creating better phones by ingratiating new fixes and improvements without impacting the cell phone carrier. Everyone should have the right to install software that they chose, not just apps, but any software that they want, as long as I take the responsibility for what they do specifically not blame the maker HTC for any self inflicted acts. If the creative people don't make the tools, they will not exist and then the layers win. Without tools you would never have a unlocked boot loader or at best a really limited section.

This would benefit hardware manufacturers since it would eliminate people from porting new release to older hardware since the phones would be locked to a version do to lack of unlock tools. So in the new world every time Google release a new version with fixes you need to toss out your phone and buy a new one. Carers make more money since now they can charge you more for access from the new device ( VM: my monthly bill when from $25/mo to $35/mo only because I went from a Triumph to a EVO ).

Bottom line is it's all about the money, being taken from us and given to them via laws and rules. Guess owning the hardware doesn't mean $hit.
 
joe_blow said:
Then this yesterday also makes things shaky:
Carrier-Unlocking Smartphones Will Be Illegal In The U.S. Tomorrow: Here's How (And If) It Affects You
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That one actually bothers me less than the HTC actions. If you read that article thoroughly they explain that there are still legal ways to purchase an unlocked phone, get the carrier to unlock it, or unlock it yourself if they don't.

OTOH, HTC blocking the distribution of RUU's and custom Sense based ROM's could really hurt them in the long run. Even if it's a relatively small percentage of users that modify their phones from stock, many issues in the stock ROM's have been identified and resolved by independent developers and they will just force users to AOSP based ROM's that provide no competitive advantage for HTC and encourage migration to other brands.

ramjet73
 
BackHandLegend said:
If the RUU is gone, doesn't that mean that pretty much if you super brick your phone, its over with?
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The RUU's will still to be available to HTC and authorized repair centers to refresh the phones, but if users can't do that themselves many are going to use some method to permanently brick their phone rather than try to have it serviced while rooted and S-OFF with a custom ROM installed. That will result in even more warranty and insurance claims for HTC phones. :(

ramjet73
 
ramjet73 said:
The RUU's will still to be available to HTC and authorized repair centers to refresh the phones, but if users can't do that themselves many are going to use some method to permanently brick their phone rather than try to have it serviced while rooted and S-OFF with a custom ROM installed. That will result in even more warranty and insurance claims for HTC phones. :(

ramjet73
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Bad move HTC, you've lost a customer.
 
It is kind of a bad move for HTC to block developers. I was going back and forth between this phone on VM vs. a Nexus 4 on Straight Talk. I went with the HTC because of the support here.... and price. But if it weren't for the support here I would have definitely bought a Nexus.
 
BackHandLegend said:
Bad move HTC, you've lost a customer.
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Me too. That was the last straw. Samsung here I come.





ramjet73 said:
That one actually bothers me less than the HTC actions. If you read that article thoroughly they explain that there are still legal ways to purchase an unlocked phone, get the carrier to unlock it, or unlock it yourself if they don't.

OTOH, HTC blocking the distribution of RUU's and custom Sense based ROM's could really hurt them in the long run. Even if it's a relatively small percentage of users that modify their phones from stock, many issues in the stock ROM's have been identified and resolved by independent developers and they will just force users to AOSP based ROM's that provide no competitive advantage for HTC and encourage migration to other brands.

ramjet73
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It already has ramjet, my EVO 3D will be my last HTC due to their locked bootloaders, the fact that they make us have to work far too hard for s-off and their treatment of the development community. Anybody want to buy a s-off HBoot 1.5 revolutionary 3D?
 
Guitardoc64 said:
Me too. That was the last straw. Samsung here I come.






It already has ramjet, my EVO 3D will be my last HTC due to their locked bootloaders, the fact that they make us have to work far too hard for s-off and their treatment of the development community. Anybody want to buy a s-off HBoot 1.5 revolutionary 3D?
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how much
 
richking34 said:
how much
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I would have to get at least $175 phone is mint, been in an Otterbox since day one, would include said Otterbox(brand-new warranty replacement) and a month old ballistic HC that its in now.





Branhower said:
I hereby make the public offer to the amount of 5 United States Dollars for the acquisition of said phone.
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not hardly....




Thedjscr3am said:
I will buy said phone for 5 dollars! XD
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Ditto to above. That might cover shipping.
 
Guitardoc64 said:
I would have to get at least $175 phone is mint, been in an Otterbox since day one, would include said Otterbox(brand-new warranty replacement) and a month old ballistic HC that its in now.








not hardly....






Ditto to above. That might cover shipping.
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I'm happy with my 3vo but HTC has lost a customer :mad: soon as I can save up enough, GS 3 for me ^_^
 
There is a conversation about this going on in the HTC section of the forums.


People are getting way too worked up over this. Its really no big deal
 
its good to see all the pros give opinions. i personally don't have much time to dig too much into phone, just don't like the idea of one phone for all (apple). the sense of community is really wonderful, everyday i check in to see whats new on the forum, this is a great experience.
i always just thought RUU is merely a way to return to stock, without it i guess its just more risky ? do we really need RUU to return to stock ? since we can flash all the components in hboot anyway. i thought the process of change ur carrier A phone to carrier B is called Flashing... and has always been illegal ...
Is Sense the reason why htc is able to do all these ?
 
optimusv45 said:
its good to see all the pros give opinions. i personally don't have much time to dig too much into phone, just don't like the idea of one phone for all (apple). the sense of community is really wonderful, everyday i check in to see whats new on the forum, this is a great experience.
i always just thought RUU is merely a way to return to stock, without it i guess its just more risky ? do we really need RUU to return to stock ? since we can flash all the components in hboot anyway. i thought the process of change ur carrier A phone to carrier B is called Flashing... and has always been illegal ...
Is Sense the reason why htc is able to do all these ?
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RUU's are essential. Errors DO occur and that is neglecting human error. Without the RUU the phone is basically broken. We've lost the universal base to restore out phones and now need to physically replace them if and when they decide to not boot whether it be flashing a rom, tweak, or anything else. One mistake and we are screwed.
 
ic. i have a toy nexus s 4g so i went on their xda forum and didnt see any kind of restore tool similar to RUU. do most phones have such restore mechanism ?
 
HTC is not outlawing RUUs, they cut back on one site using their trademarked name with RUUs called by using code names. The RUUs will be available regardless. (discussion in Android Lounge)

Carrier locking has nothing to do with bootloader locking. (discussion in Lounge) The ruling has nothing to do with HTC in particular.

Buying and selling phones is for the classified forum, thanks.

Sorry the site was down, we got it back asap.

If anyone doesn't care for the lock, drop me a line, my door is always open.
 
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