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Frustrated with Routers

DaSchmarotzer said:
Guys, please try to keep the conversation civil and respectful. ;)
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If you do not think this is civil and respectful, you have never, ever read any sort of a political or religious forum...No profanity, no name calling, no temper tantrums, no allusions to ancestry...why this forum is a paragon of civility.:eek:
 
The distance is a deciding factor. The laptops.. which chipset are they using? Can we find out what it is for the phone people? Integrated rarely are very good at all.. and phones are definitely integrated.

I'll edit this in a few.. there is a program that will tell you your receive levels for the wifi on the phone. Network Info II its called. You want that as close to 0 as possible (I know, it sounds weird, but those levels you see are negative.. 0 IS higher than -87). It will also tell you the actual connection speed of the phone to the router. I usually see 50 ma bps or so connection to my router right next to it. I bet it's NOT a super chipset, the antenna is probably barely passible, and transmit power is probably next to nil on the phone.. so I'm not really gonna grip about it. From that distance, I really will see 20 mbps from speedtest.net. To get those numbers up for you, we need to see if we can get the connection to the router itself above that. I suspect if I had something like an intel pro wireless N nic.. I'd see closer to 100 mbps.

The other networks dont have to be very close to cause interference unfortunately.. just present. All they are doing is making background noise that the router can see and has to sift through to see your signal. With wifi... it's not a point to point connection.. its the broadcaster to whoever can recieve it.. even if you don't want them to (much like a radio station). Changing channels on your router may also make a difference. I know I see 50 mbps connections no my phone on channel 1, but channel 11 maxes out at about 20 mbps. This is with receive levels of -28 db.. which on a scale of 1-10 for signal strength is a 9.99 - 10.

I agree with Jim.. my language may be direct.. and very blunt.. but I'm not making personal attacks... I'm stating my assumptions about his experience or knowledge levels (to which he has verified the knowledge part at least).


I'm betting the phone is limited to MAX 150 mbps theoretical. Your wireless chipsets on the PC's may be the same, but I'll need to know which they are to even attempt a guess.
 
JIMV said:
If you do not think this is civil and respectful, you have never, ever read any sort of a political or religious forum...No profanity, no name calling, no temper tantrums, no allusions to ancestry...why this forum is a paragon of civility.:eek:
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My main man Das wasn't implying it wasn't :)
Just a friendly warning in case, you never know :)

Before you know it someone is ready to run for office and debating the national overhaul of Internet Standards and protocols, lol. And DON'T get me starting on throughput! :vroam:
 
So mt question (complaint)...where do these folk get off promising speeds up to 300 mpbs when all they ever deliver is half what my internet provider provides???
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This question appears to be confusing two different things. The 300mbps is in regards to the device connection to the router. If your connection to the house is 50mbps, that's all you're ever goig to see, and thats a theoretical max.

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That little thing being pried off.. it's your antennae. I wouldn't expect stellar reception from that. Does the wireless cards on your laptops have and external antenna, internal and built in, or just a usb stick?

I find the internal wifi, while extremely conveinent, usually only has so so reception. Most of the time it's better than a usb stick... but still not great. They usually have the antenna mounted under the LCD on the back of the case (though I've seen them with just a flat antenna under the motherboard as well.. reception sucked on that one). It could also be sharing the antenna with a bluetooth device if that is built in.

IF you have the ability to attach an external antenna, it is usually worth it to do so, with a high gain antenna. If you can get away with using a directional antenna.. even better. Something like a cantenna will provide a much more reliable speed... BUT it also increases your transmit range on your router.. which could make it more accessable to your neighbors (assuming that you have the cantenna on your router).
 
I wouldn't bet on it. Without a direct connection to the nic... i doubt it would do any good. Just did a speedtest.... 16mbps...but Im connected to the router at 65 mbps.

Basically, an antenna is an unground power cable... With the usbport having to connect to the usb controller before anything else... I don't see how it could work.
 
Run InSSIDer on your PC or Wifi Analyzer on your Android.

See what channels are getting the most interference at 2.4 GHz, move your router to the least used channel (either 1, 6, or 11).
 
atek3 said:
Run InSSIDer on your PC or Wifi Analyzer on your Android.

See what channels are getting the most interference at 2.4 GHz, move your router to the least used channel (either 1, 6, or 11).
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I thank you for the suggestion but I do not understand what I am seeing with the program InSSIDer...For example, when I open the program I see what looks like 14 separate networks. The amplitude of my network are 2.4GHZ is between -60 and -70...I have no idea what that means. There are numbers across the bottom of the screen. My signal seems to fall between 1 and 3...what does that mean? The least used series of networks seems to be about 6...does that mean I should do something to the router??
 
Use wifi analyzer on your android then. Dead easy.

The 0-14 are channels, not networks. The Lines or peaks are networks. The amplitude is strength.

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Where the apex of the peak is, is the channel. So "Mick Home" is channel 6. If yours is 1-3, it means youre on channel 2. C1n3mat1c0rch3stra has the higher amplitude. Thats because its mine and in my house (where I am).

The idea is to pick the clearest channel possible
 
For the strangest reason... i have no neighbor(s) on the 5 GHz band. But while standing in the backyard i see all of us neighbors stepping on each other all over the 2.4 GHz band :)
 
andr01d said:
For the strangest reason... i have no neighbor(s) on the 5 GHz band. But while standing in the backyard i see all of us neighbors stepping on each other all over the 2.4 GHz band :)
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The device running the wifi analyzer must have 5 GHz capability in order to see that band.
 
Skull Nokker said:
The device running the wifi analyzer must have 5 GHz capability in order to see that band.
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mine happens to be a dualband phone. I can see my own 5ghz router and another 5ghz router at work... just no neighbors on 5.... like it's not popular at all. I was hoping it's more common by now:)
 
andr01d said:
mine happens to be a dualband phone. I can see my own 5ghz router and another 5ghz router at work... just no neighbors on 5.... like it's not popular at all. I was hoping it's more common by now:)
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You should be glad its not popular. More bandwidth for you. :p

Us lowly wireless G peasants are still fighting for channels to get acceptable speeds.
 
It's very lonely to be on 5 GHz :D

hey you can upgrade to 5GHz too!! There's actually a whole lot of available channels on the 5 GHz band (way more channels compared to the 2.4 GHz band) and looks like each channel is further apart from each other and we all won't step on each other. :)
 
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