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galaxy s2 gaming capabilities

Rural said:
Kind of, but it won't happen.
Emulating those games are near impossible.
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I don't think it's impossible to emulate the PS2, there are fully working emulators for the PC which work fairly well even on low end systems.

The xbox is a step up again, there are some under development for the PC but as far as I know they only play halo and not very well either, lots of bugs, so no chance at all of an xbox emulator for current phones.

In fact probably not for another two years.
 
Another problem you run into is hardware buttons. PSX/N64 and up aren't worth playing on phones, IMO, there are too many things going on and too many abilities that require the different buttons.
 
Vanquished said:
Another problem you run into is hardware buttons. PSX/N64 and up aren't worth playing on phones, IMO, their are just two many things going on and too many abilities that require the different buttons.
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Depends on the games, some work really well and I enjoyed playing the Final Fantasy titles on my Galaxy S.

But some obviously are just too difficult to play on a touch screen phone.
 
kyokushin723 said:
is the galaxy s2's specs capable of playing ps2 and xbox games?
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Unlikely but I expect that to change when Quads come to the market IF the code is well done that is.
The problem with emulators is that you require the machine emulating to be A GAZILLION times faster than the one being emulated to have a chance at getting good performance..very insane when you think about it from a non programmer's perspective. :eek:
A Dreamcast should be possible and to die for though :)
PSX games are just fine for many of them...N64 is a bit harder due to the controller so an external pad is a better solution for those.
 
I think its possible especially ps2 games. SSGII, EVO 3D, and HTC Sensation gpus are on another level. Gl benchmarks put these gpus way above tegra 2 and those can play some pretty nice looking games like dungeon defenders no problem which uses the unreal engine.iPhone 4 can run an unreal engine and these gpu are over 3x as powerful as an iPhone 4 in benchmarks. Now getting an emulator is another matter.
 
Quake 3 which is a ps2 game and pc game runs at 80 Fps on EVO 3D/Sensation Adreno 220 gpu and SGII Exynos gpu is pretty much tied in power. So I think its fair to say it should be able to run quite a few ps2 games and maybe non high end xbox games. Ah man if we could play Disgaea I know we can run that no problem. Actually is an android version in Japan its more of an item world game than full campaign.
 
yea some games on n64 emulators are near impossible to play or atleast I know that golden eye is, but mario kart and mario 64 are actually playable and quite enjoyable
 
supermanlegend said:
Quake 3 which is a ps2 game and pc game runs at 80 Fps on EVO 3D/Sensation Adreno 220 gpu and SGII Exynos gpu is pretty much tied in power. So I think its fair to say it should be able to run quite a few ps2 games and maybe non high end xbox games. Ah man if we could play Disgaea I know we can run that no problem. Actually is an android version in Japan its more of an item world game than full campaign.
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If the games were created for those GPUs specifically then sure...heck the galaxy s 540 runs quake super fast too. But when emulation comes into play all that means nothing.
 
YEAH I agree emulating is a different it maybe possible but unlikely. Yeah I'm basing off this which but both processor through same test(s). actual Phone performance may vary because resolution, software, etc. Sense, touchwhiz, also HTC lowered the Snapdragon 3 from 1.5ghz to 1.2ghz probably to save battery. I know things can change depending on the device but root can take them to there true pontential with improvements in kernels, software, etc. These are the test with none of the Phones software etc on them.

Beastly dual-core Android devices: A rundown on each chipset
 
Shocky said:
Not quite, taking all the benchmarks worth running into consideration Mali 400MP is faster than Adreno 220.

Nenamark 2, Electopia and GLBenchmark, even taking into consideration the resolution difference it is not on par.

Nena Innovation AB - NenaMark results
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Also those results are from users which could very well be rooted as you know EVO 3D and Sensation bootloader is locked at the moment. Plus like I said in the post above, the chips performance can change by the phone manufacter for reason above I listed. So the phone could very well perform better out the box for the reasons above but actual chip test are different. So I wouldn't ignore the power of actual chipset because software can change performance on both ends especially when rooted. Neither will I ignore the out of the box performance of a device.

Just straight chipset tests:
http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...1661-dual-core-beasts-the-decision-to-buy-one
 
Here's some more recent scores you may want to look at:

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Both the E3D and Sensation are performing lower than the Optimus 3D. I can't seem to find any tests that have the SGSII in there, but I know I have seen them. Everyone of them has shown it pretty far ahead of the competition.

Here's something you may want to read through as well:
http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-3d/309941-gl-benchmarks-3ds-processor.html
 
Yeah that's what I pretty much figured with HTC underclocking to 1.2ghz, sense, resolution etc. performance is going to be different on actual device because of software and phone manufacter settings. Good news they found root so we should be able to unlock more power soon.. But really there's nothing on market this shouldn't run with ease so I may stay at 1.2ghz for the battery unless I can take it back to 1.5ghz and get as good if not better battery life with a good kernel. Be funny if this thing can go to 1.7ghz or higher since every website had the chip at 1.5ghz before HTC touched it which I really do think it was for battery.
 
I think we all agree, we just talking about different areas. Actual Chip performance vs phone performance after phone manufacter gets a hold of the chip. Kinda like pc gpus will perform different depending on the computer its put in and its settings etc.
 
If anyone doubts the performance of Mali 400MP, install the latest version of Chainfire (Pro version needed) and enable MSAA, even with 16xMSAA enabled in most games you still don't notice any performance hit and it looks awesome, barely any hit at all with 4xMSAA.

Riptide GP with 4xMSAA, performance is still good. :D

supermanlegend said:
I think we all agree, we just talking about different areas. Actual Chip performance vs phone performance .
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Not sure what you mean by that, Cortex A9 in Exynos is faster clock for clock and Mali 400GP is faster than Adreno 220.

Surely performance of the SoC equals better phone performance if all things are equal?

Of course HTC have not helped themselves with the increased resolution and resource hog interface.
 
Shocky said:
Of course HTC have not helped themselves with the increased resolution and resource hog interface.
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I love Sense and the screen resolution, but Sense has to go. When the UI is using up 75% of your available RAM and 75% of your internal memory it does slow performance down on other things. After playing around with my sisters EVO again I don't think I can go back to the lower resolution screens. Quad cores will definately help with the higher resolutions in the future though, if they prove to be efficient.
 
Vanquished said:
I love Sense and the screen resolution, but Sense has to go. When the UI is using up 75% of your available RAM and 75% of your internal memory it does slow performance down on other things. After playing around with my sisters EVO again I don't think I can go back to the lower resolution screens. Quad cores will definately help with the higher resolutions in the future though, if they prove to be efficient.
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You mean quad core GPU? Mali 400MP is multicore, version in Exynos has 4 cores, it all depends on how fast each core is. Would be interesting to see how some of the single core versions perform, I've seen a few in budget tablets.

Quad core CPU's won't make much difference if the GPU can't handle increased resolutions, interface on the Galaxy S II is already crazy fast, I doubt increased resolution would slow it down much especially considering how well it handles 16xMSAA. :)
 
Shocky said:
If anyone doubts the performance of Mali 400MP, install the latest version of Chainfire (Pro version needed) and enable MSAA, even with 16xMSAA enabled in most games you still don't notice any performance hit and it looks awesome, barely any hit at all with 4xMSAA.

Riptide GP with 4xMSAA, performance is still good. :D



Not sure what you mean by that, Cortex A9 in Exynos is faster clock for clock and Mali 400GP is faster than Adreno 220.

Surely performance of the SoC equals better phone performance if all things are equal?

Of course HTC have not helped themselves with the increased resolution and resource hog interface.
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They also lowered the chip from 1.5ghz which it was originally suppose to be before HTC underclocked it. Benchmarks outside of the device show that they are pretty much tied one has adreno 220 one point higher. So root should increase performance a lot after all the changes htc made.

I'm talking about the chip not the phone because phone manufacters can change the performance. But with root we can tweak it back.

Tests of chips before put in device. This is the link: http://www.droidgamers.com/index.ph...1661-dual-core-beasts-the-decision-to-buy-one

I completely understand the Galaxy SII may perform better out of the box because of the phone manufacters changes but I'm just talking the chip itself before the HTC or Samsung messed with them.

You are talking about the phone benchmarks. Im talking about the chip not any phone. Because performance will vary on the phone by the software and manufacters specification. To me its not important because I can I'm can change the software not the hardware (for instance when I get root I don't have to have sense or be underclocked to 1.2ghz) but one thing I cant change is the actual chip. And the benchmarks of the chip as the chip makers had them are pretty much tied. As you can see from the link. The phone software and phone manufacter settings can change the gpus performance that is why to two phones with the same gpu can perform differently. I love the Sense 3.0 UI for the most part but it does take up a ton of memory that doesn't mean phone isn't still a beast but the chip is hindered from full potential plus the underclock to 1.2ghz.
 
Vanquished said:
I love Sense and the screen resolution, but Sense has to go. When the UI is using up 75% of your available RAM and 75% of your internal memory it does slow performance down on other things. After playing around with my sisters EVO again I don't think I can go back to the lower resolution screens. Quad cores will definately help with the higher resolutions in the future though, if they prove to be efficient.
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Im sure once we get rooted. There will be roms with a tweaked sense UI thats less of a ram hog. Glad they gave 1gb thats a ton of potential. Or you can go CM7 but I prefer a tweaked sense over Cm7 usually lose less benefits especially with 3D capabilities I'm sure.
 
supermanlegend said:
They also lowered the chip from 1.5ghz which it was originally suppose to be before HTC underclocked it. Benchmarks outside of the device show that they are pretty much tied one has adreno 220 one point higher. So root should increase performance a lot after all the changes htc made.
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What are you talking about? what benchmarks? every dual core benchmark shows the Cortex A9 is faster clock for clock and guess what, that overclocks as well.

I'm talking about the chip not the phone because phone manufacters can change the performance. But with root we can tweak it back.
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I'm not sure you actually know what your talking about, both these CPU's have the frequency range, Cortex A9 is 800-2000 Mhz, they have to go with what they believe provides the best performance vs battery life vs heat, same goes for both of them.

Looking at the results they have, if they are comparing 1.5GHz 8X60 to 1.2GHz Exynos and Exynos still matches the performance, it's hard to see how they came to the conclusion they did, it doesnt make any sense

Also, Exynos scores higher than 39 fps is Egypt , try 43 fps, that's what I score unless you think that's because it's tweaked by Samsung and somehow is invalid. Odd that they also used 8X60 results with v-sync disabled.

supermanlegend said:
Also those results are from users which could very well be rooted
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Unrooted it scores 46 fps and Nenamark2.
 
Did you see the blue droidgamers link in almost every post I made, that breaks down all the dual core chips thats what I'm talking about. You know what you device can do I know what I can do with mine
. I gave you my facts but you don't seem to be looking for it or ignoring. I'm not here to prove who has the better phone because many things play into effect. I was actually saying the galaxy s2 should be very powerful I have nothing against the phone though not my preference obviously both phones have very unique benefits. Here is the link once again to show the gpus perfomance again before they were put in phones benchmarks and info explaining each dual core chip. click this Beastly dual-core Android devices: A rundown on each chipset

Other than that I have nothing to say because I dont have to prove my knowledge and honestly you seem hostile about protecting the fact that it could be the most powerful phone out the box but after root who knows because HTC made a lot changes that effect performance. I love my phone and I know what its true potential. But the benchmarks in the website I provided show the chips virtually tied when tested outside the phone with chipmakers chosen clock speeds. The fact the EVO 3D drains battery about 2to3x as fast when using 3D vigorously probably the reason why htc tried to balance battery vs power. Battery life is really great when not using 3D and the phone stays extremely cool. I'm more concerned about how the chips perform after root with a light ROM or both with CM7 etc. Then it still wouldnt make a difference to me because I'm going have my phone set to my liking regardless if there a rom that super powerful with the gpu or not if doesn't have the setup I like. Both gpu are extremely powerful and I'm sure neither one if them has shown there true potential especially Sensation and EVO 3D because they are underclocked and use sense 3.0 which takes quite a bit to run with htcs setting even with 1gb of ram.
 
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