Google Android Personal Thoughts

[djclark]

Lol djclark.... all your so called references are nothing but personal opinions and hold no water. Android screens are full of icons too, jr. But omg! You can have a custom wallpaper! And who are ypu to say how much multitasking is "enough" for other people? Who are you stalin?

The methods that android and the iphone use are two ways to do the same thing. The fact one literally leaves shit running in the background ( for a time, because even android kllls background apps when it needs memory) and the other just outright shuts stuff down - is immaterial. Both the iPhone and Android based devices allow you to do multiple things at a time. Every time I hear "it multitasks" as a bullet point for android - it makes me head hurt. I'm sure if apple wanted to they can enable android like multitasking in a minute. It would require a one line code change in the home app.

And your phonr hangs up when you open the browser on your eris huh? Well now I think you don't even have one bc I've never seen a phone do that. The phone calls takes priority over data. And good luck browsing the web and talking on att. It has trouble making reliable calls let alone doing both. Seriosuly.

I had a razr for 3yrs. Used it up and down the east coast. Number of times it dropped a connection : bout 3 times. Lets not use propaganda as fact. My eris has dropped the connection twice since I've had it. Connection quality depends on where you live among other things. No network is perfect.

And your right. Amdroid won't match iphone. It passed it up, on the fast lane no doubt. True multitasking, support for multiple devices and screens, customizability, and its open source. If you thinl the iphone is so great go get one.

Never said that. This is as idiotic as calling someone who disagrees with obama racist. I chose the eris for a reason. I want Android to succeed, sadly all I see is google not giving a shit. I'll continue to voice my opinion - regardless how many people whine. Making excuses for android OS and all of googles ****ups ( ETF fee etc... ) will get us nowhere. Android will turn out to be the windows of cell phone oses. Dominate but a POS. Which would be unfortunate.

 

[Bill]

My point was the capability to do multiple things is there. Add in the fact you can talk on the phone and do other things - like forward emails etc... makes the iphones "multitasking" a ton more useful that being able to have 6 applications running in the background. If you said to an iphone user "I can multitask", they'd tell you so can I. They would be right. Only difference is they can do it in a manner the current android phones can't...

I also get your point about the widgets etc... that is one reason why I got the eris vs the iphone.

djclarck, it appears that you are allowing opinions of others to sway your opinion of Android. Scouring the Interweb of false misconceptions is not a proper way of evaluating your phone.

Your statement "Only difference is they can do it in a manner the current android phones can't.." Is a prime example. This limitation is not the Phone nor the os but the cell network it is on. T-mobiles Android device do not have this limitation.

-Bill

 

[rizzla]

The methods that android and the iphone use are two ways to do the same thing. The fact one literally leaves shit running in the background ( for a time, because even android kllls background apps when it needs memory) and the other just outright shuts stuff down - is immaterial. Both the iPhone and Android based devices allow you to do multiple things at a time. Every time I hear "it multitasks" as a bullet point for android - it makes me head hurt. I'm sure if apple wanted to they can enable android like multitasking in a minute. It would require a one line code change in the home app.

I think this is where the point of multitasking is missed, android is about the flow of information coming into the phone, it was the reason it was made by google in the first place. Many widgets need that information coming in on a regular basis. could be browsing the web and having my football app informing me of scores coming in, whilst getting a message from skype and MSN, oh niw twitter just sent a message updating me on the latest info regarding android. Thats the kind of thing multitasking can do, whilst i'm downloading that app from the app store at the same time...Do you get the point?

I chose the kind of info I want and when I get it, I'm not held back having the one app running and then pretty much being stuck with that. And as far as making phone calls and using apps, that's because the iphone runs off a totally different process, it aint multitasking in the common sense of the word nor is how the iphone plays music, completely separate way the phone processes those functions, nothing to do with apps at all which is why you can have phone or music play and run an app. now try running a couple of apps whilst on the phone or playing music?

Though you make some interesting and relevant points many are based on bad experience they many other are not having though some maybe, same can be true of the iphone or any phone as a matter of fact.

 

[Karuk]

I think Djclark and the twink that wrote that blog post needs a big hug. They need emotion and feeling in their devices. Maybe Steve will create a touchy feely robot that will fill your emo needs.

The rest of us will use our android phones for what they were designed for. We will get our emo needs from the REAL people we interact with (friends, family, etc).

I suggest you find some real people to fill your emo needs and quit hanging on Steve's balls for it.

 

[Maxx]

Now kids! you quit that arguing right now! Or I'll turn this car around and we'll go straight home!!

seriously, whats with the arguing. djclark...are there not enough Iphone boards for you to go on that you have to come here and post that junk at the top? Now I'm a little miffed that google didn't do something Great here (like actually offer a true carrier free phone by providing one we could buy that could do 3g to tmobile and AT&T) But I'm not going to troll the boards just bashing Android as a whole left and right.

The concept is good. the kinks are getting worked out and soon I think I'll finally be able to leave WinMo behind and go forward with Android. I am a software developer and have dabbled in the realms of mobile developing. WinMo is the best to me because I'm most comfortable there. The android SDK is fun as heck and easy to use, the iphone sdk...well I didnt want to have to pay for it just to use it...so maybe it's awesome, but I really don't like apples business model of mememememe and here's a little for you. So I'll troll these boards myself till I can find me a good phone, and then I can have fun with it...

but just because I really don't like Iphone I'm not going to run to Iphone boards and troll them...

 

[IOWA]

Now kids! you quit that arguing right now! Or I'll turn this car around and we'll go straight home!!

seriously, whats with the arguing. djclark...are there not enough Iphone boards for you to go on that you have to come here and post that junk at the top? Now I'm a little miffed that google didn't do something Great here (like actually offer a true carrier free phone by providing one we could buy that could do 3g to tmobile and AT&T) But I'm not going to troll the boards just bashing Android as a whole left and right.

The concept is good. the kinks are getting worked out and soon I think I'll finally be able to leave WinMo behind and go forward with Android. I am a software developer and have dabbled in the realms of mobile developing. WinMo is the best to me because I'm most comfortable there. The android SDK is fun as heck and easy to use, the iphone sdk...well I didnt want to have to pay for it just to use it...so maybe it's awesome, but I really don't like apples business model of mememememe and here's a little for you. So I'll troll these boards myself till I can find me a good phone, and then I can have fun with it...

but just because I really don't like Iphone I'm not going to run to Iphone boards and troll them...

I don't thinl you'll want to leave wimo behind. Winmo 6.5 has taken great strides, and winmo7 from insider reviews is supposed to be amazing. Let's face it, winmo is the only mobile platform that can do just about anything you could ever want. Winmo has had flash support for over two years, something iphone and android are still struggling with.

Just look at the hd2, it shows how amazing and wonderful a winmo experience can be. 1ghz spandragon, 488 ram, expandable memory, 3.5 headphone jack. Reviewers from several sites said it was the fastest phone they have ever used. Make a sprint version, throw in harware qwerty and in sold. Id drop android faster than micheal jackson dropping a little boys pants. And it has a free upgrade to winmo7 to boot.

 

[Eugene]

The biggest problem with winmo is its tied to outlook. I wanted something that could replace my laptop, not force me to plug into it for every little thing, if I have to have my pda/phone chained to my laptop then I might as well just carry my laptop.

 

[IOWA]

The biggest problem with winmo is its tied to outlook. I wanted something that could replace my laptop, not force me to plug into it for every little thing, if I have to have my pda/phone chained to my laptop then I might as well just carry my laptop.

I never had to use outlook.

 

[Coff]

I'm new here, but I gotta tell y'all.... I actually DO sleep with my Droid Eris next to my pillow.

Funny bc I do the same with my Droid, always next to my pillow

 

[takeshi]

Lets face it - iPhone is the standard ANY phone is compared to. Android currently can't match that standard.

Everything is compared to the iPhone but saying "Android can't match that standard" is a flawed statement. Each platform has its strengths and weaknesses. Heck, that applies to any device you want to consider. The problem that I personally have with many iPhone comparisons is the assumption that the iPhone is inherently better. It's not. It's different. It's designed with a different paradigm. It's intended for a different set of users. That's not to say that it isn't useful to compare different devices but I'm sick and tired of people assuming that the iPhone is better and quoting iPhone fanboys as "proof".

There are definitely Android fanboys as well which doesn't help things. However, there's a distinct difference between blindly protecting Android and pointing out that the iPhone isn't the end-all-be-all that it's hyped up to be. Not everyone here is an Android fanboy as you're alleging.

My point was the capability to do multiple things is there. Add in the fact you can talk on the phone and do other things - like forward emails etc... makes the iphones "multitasking" a ton more useful that being able to have 6 applications running in the background. If you said to an iphone user "I can multitask", they'd tell you so can I. They would be right. Only difference is they can do it in a manner the current android phones can't...

You need a better understanding of multitasking. No one refers to simultaneous voice & data (a carrier issue -- not an iPhone versus Android issue as you make it out to be despite people correcting you multiple times) as multitasking. The iPhone only multitasks select native apps. Android has no such restrictions.

Again, simultaneous voice and data depends on the carrier. Android devices aren't restricted to Verizon or Sprint so it's not a valid blanket criticism of Android. If simultaneous voice and data are must-haves then you should have considered that when you selected your carrier. It isn't Android that's preventing that.

I'm sure if apple wanted to they can enable android like multitasking in a minute. It would require a one line code change in the home app.

What Apple could do with the iPhone in the future isn't relevant to this thread. Based on your lack of understanding of other topics, I find your "one line code change" assertion quite dubious. Anything seems simple when you don't know anything about it.

As stated early on in this thread -- read up and form your own opinions. Don't simply rehash existing rants. I'm not saying that there aren't any good points in them but at least get a better idea of what you're talking about. It's impossible to have meaningful discussions like this.

 

[droid89]

The more I read this thread, and the replies, the more gratitude I have to all of you who have responded to iPhone fanboy and Android basher djclark.

At first, all I knew of the "iPhone vs. Android" battle was the propoganda of ATT and the Luke Wilson ads, trying desperately to stretch and twist the truth, and selectively present facts to get around the fact that the iPhone needs 3G coverage, and Verizon simply has 5 times more 3G coverage than ATT. And those were just the carriers. I mean, no matter how great an iPhone is, it's just a hunk of expensive plastic without 3G coverage. You can't "surf the web and talk at the same time" if you can't get a 3G signal. No way around that fact. You can have two hundred iPhone apps downloaded, but how many can you use without a 3G signal?

I love Verizon's quote "there's a MAP for that...". There is no way of getting around the fact that Verizon made a strategic decision several years ago to invest billions in laying down an expansive 3G+ infrastructure, while ATT made the decision to grow their coverage by absorbing other wireless companies. Watching ATT struggle to win this argument via the "commercial wars" is comedic. Adding more apps is easy. Investing billions in getting your infrastructure on par is not.

But listening to the more educated Android users on this thread explain the facts to iPhone fanboy djclark, and help him with his sadly disillusioned view of the iPhone -- in all it's Apple marketing glory -- has been very informative to me, and I thank all of you for doing that: takeshi, maxx, karuk, rizzla, bill, iowa, darreno1, momoceio, blinky, clitrenta, blinky, and the others. You have done a great service to all of us other Android users.

Again, I've spent years in NCAA Division I Football forums. I see the trollers, the sandbaggers, the lurkers all the time. Examples:

A Georgia Bulldog football fan will register on a Georgia Tech football board and post a couple innocuous posts to appear a Tech football fan, then just come out guns blazing bashing Georgia Tech Football. Or a Mighigan Wolverine football fan registering and making mildly generalized supporting posts to get people listening and following them, and then start using the U of M football marketing playbook to unabashedly curse the MSU Spartan football team.

This is no different here. Forums will always be an attractive way to mount a viral competitor-bashing campaign through a rival's forums. In fact, as you all probably know, the bigger corporations now have divisions dedicated to finding ways to start viral marketing campaigns. It's not just individual fanboys anymore, it's the companies themselves. And you can bet Apple is one of the best in the business at it.

But unlike the emotinally charged responses to posts by trollers, sandbaggers, and lurkers on sports forums, -- the responses and retorts to djclark have been sensible, reasoned, balanced, and open minded. Bravo to all of you who have spent your time articulating your responses in a way that not only provides a concise, measured, reasonable, point by point response to djclarks iPhone fanatic ravings, but also helps inform the majority of us who are here on this board, in this forum, to learn and to resolve issues rather than try to market the iPhone and turn posters against the Android O/S.

Most all of us in this forum are here to learn. We are curioius, we are just beginning to uncover the potential of our phones. We look forward to the new threads and posts for new information. It helps us resolve our technical issues, aids us in finding the best apps in each category, and assists us in configuring and rooting our phones to uncover new functionality.

And all of you are very involved in helping us do exactly those things.

Thank you.

Personally, I resolve to emulate the genuine openness, depth, and thoughtfulness that you all have displayed whenever I post. You have set a higher standard for all of us in our posts and replies.

If I see someone posting with problems, I will work with this community to help resolve and educate. If there is a fundamental problem posted, I will work to send the information to the right people to get resolution in the next release.

And if I see a troller, sandbagger, lurker, or iPhone fanatic only out to serve as an Apple stooge, and blindly lash out using the Apple marketing playbook and iPhone butt-kissing articles, I will...

...well, I will at least make sure that everyone knows who they are and what they are doing. And if I can take the higher path, as you all have done, and supply such wonderful and well-researched responses rooted in real life experience, then I will do that as well. But is so hard to take the higher path. I don't know how you do it.

Droid89

 

[miltk]

this is a rant by an iPhone lover. if he's going to be ridiculous allow me to as well. I HATE APPLE. I'm anti i-everything. I don't like white. i don't like the Retro 50's plasticity look......THEREFORE, the iPhone must be the tacky. the att commercials suck and they clevery avoid answering all of Verizon 's claim to fool all iPhone wannabe users.

on a saner note,,,when comparing the two phones, no one mentions imo the most important,,,,droids awesome screen and removable battery. those alone ramps the Droid to untouchable. since my main reason for buying my first smart phone was internet mobility, the Droid is perfect. plus I own Google stock

 

[miltk]

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The more I read this thread, and the replies, the more gratitude I have to all of you who have responded to iPhone fanboy and Android basher djclark.

At first, all I knew of the "iPhone vs. Android" battle was the propoganda of ATT and the Luke Wilson ads, trying desperately to stretch and twist the truth, and selectively present facts to get around the fact that the iPhone needs 3G coverage, and Verizon simply has 5 times more 3G coverage than ATT. And those were just the carriers. I mean, no matter how great an iPhone is, it's just a hunk of expensive plastic without 3G coverage. You can't "surf the web and talk at the same time" if you can't get a 3G signal. No way around that fact. You can have two hundred iPhone apps downloaded, but how many can you use without a 3G signal?

I love Verizon's quote "there's a MAP for that...". There is no way of getting around the fact that Verizon made a strategic decision several years ago to invest billions in laying down an expansive 3G+ infrastructure, while ATT made the decision to grow their coverage by absorbing other wireless companies. Watching ATT struggle to win this argument via the "commercial wars" is comedic. Adding more apps is easy. Investing billions in getting your infrastructure on par is not.

But listening to the more educated Android users on this thread explain the facts to iPhone fanboy djclark, and help him with his sadly disillusioned view of the iPhone -- in all it's Apple marketing glory -- has been very informative to me, and I thank all of you for doing that: takeshi, maxx, karuk, rizzla, bill, iowa, darreno1, momoceio, blinky, clitrenta, blinky, and the others. You have done a great service to all of us other Android users.

Again, I've spent years in NCAA Division I Football forums. I see the trollers, the sandbaggers, the lurkers all the time. Examples:

A Georgia Bulldog football fan will register on a Georgia Tech football board and post a couple innocuous posts to appear a Tech football fan, then just come out guns blazing bashing Georgia Tech Football. Or a Mighigan Wolverine football fan registering and making mildly generalized supporting posts to get people listening and following them, and then start using the U of M football marketing playbook to unabashedly curse the MSU Spartan football team.

This is no different here. Forums will always be an attractive way to mount a viral competitor-bashing campaign through a rival's forums. In fact, as you all probably know, the bigger corporations now have divisions dedicated to finding ways to start viral marketing campaigns. It's not just individual fanboys anymore, it's the companies themselves. And you can bet Apple is one of the best in the business at it.

But unlike the emotinally charged responses to posts by trollers, sandbaggers, and lurkers on sports forums, -- the responses and retorts to djclark have been sensible, reasoned, balanced, and open minded. Bravo to all of you who have spent your time articulating your responses in a way that not only provides a concise, measured, reasonable, point by point response to djclarks iPhone fanatic ravings, but also helps inform the majority of us who are here on this board, in this forum, to learn and to resolve issues rather than try to market the iPhone and turn posters against the Android O/S.

Most all of us in this forum are here to learn. We are curioius, we are just beginning to uncover the potential of our phones. We look forward to the new threads and posts for new information. It helps us resolve our technical issues, aids us in finding the best apps in each category, and assists us in configuring and rooting our phones to uncover new functionality.

And all of you are very involved in helping us do exactly those things.

Thank you.

Personally, I resolve to emulate the genuine openness, depth, and thoughtfulness that you all have displayed whenever I post. You have set a higher standard for all of us in our posts and replies.

If I see someone posting with problems, I will work with this community to help resolve and educate. If there is a fundamental problem posted, I will work to send the information to the right people to get resolution in the next release.

And if I see a troller, sandbagger, lurker, or iPhone fanatic only out to serve as an Apple stooge, and blindly lash out using the Apple marketing playbook and iPhone butt-kissing articles, I will...

...well, I will at least make sure that everyone knows who they are and what they are doing. And if I can take the higher path, as you all have done, and supply such wonderful and well-researched responses rooted in real life experience, then I will do that as well. But is so hard to take the higher path. I don't know how you do it.

Droid89

I think the "iPhone killer, iphone copier,anything not iPhone sucks " propaganda is largely the concoction of apple and media ". I fully acknowledge that the iphon was a seminal, codifying gadget, and nothing will overtake it's ubiquitous presence. that being said, I'm tired of reading all the nonsense. it's a clever but trumped up ruse and advertising ploy to keep that stale phone going.

doesn't matter how seminal, how good a product is, technology must always move. bring on something new!

 

[discohornet]

I Can't stand Mac.

I am a graphic designer by trade and a pretty decent one I might add. I have been surrounded my whole life by Mac lovers and once was even scolded by my ex-girlfriend for NOT having a Mac and that it's hurting my business by having a Dell.

She's right to a certain extent. Macs have become icons in their own right, status symbols. Now don't get me wrong I think they're much more than that, I think their operating systems are made for people who don't want to think much about what's going on "inside the machine" and want a beautiful user experience instead.

But I've always been the guy who likes to take things apart. I am also the guy who has windows running with absolutely no effects, shadows, embossing on windows etc. I have a 50% grey wallpaper (makes photo editing easier when my background is showing).

So I like it simple and I like to be able to rip something apart and get into it. I chose a different mp3 player when I was looking because i was floored at how nazi-ish Mac was being about recording. I am an electronic music producer as well as a dj. I want an mp3 player I can hook RIGHT Into my mixer and go to town recording a mix. Any mp3 player that restricts my use will not get my money.

So I had a bad taste in my mouth from that about Apple. I think they're overpriced status symbols designed for people who don't like to mess with things and want form over function.

I've since integrated Google with my business. I use all of it's tools like documents and so on. I used to be annoyed by gmail and now I can't imagine going without it.

So I was thrilled thrilled thrilled to see that Google was entering the phone market a few years ago. I wanted to wait though for a couple of years so they could get some bugs ironed out and i WAS waiting for some Iconic G-Phone. The answer to the iPhone. Something that was developed after looking at who was kicking the most ass in the smartphone arena. I was waiting for that one physical device that would become bigger and better than the iPhone but was modeled after what they DID do right. After all this fragmented device market is a little annoying. Each new phone comes in and leaves a trail and it's on to the next one, never really perfecting the device, just keeping up with people's insatiable thirst for the novel.

I thought the Droid was THAT phone. I left At&t and got one. I was so proud to show all my friends that are Mac lovers just how much better of a phone the droid is. And when it came time to show them how I made the better decision, the experiment failed miserably.

Instead of a solid coherent machine that has so much functionality I received a half-baked, problem ridden machine that locks up and forcecloses and is littered with apps that don't work and screw with the other functions of the phone.

It's not an opinion as much as an observation. There are people on this forum like myself who want Google and their Android to be awesome. I don't care about being more awesome than iPhone. I get that their a different market.

But the big selling point for my Droid was that it would be a stellar move for my business because i can access my tools on the phone like my Documents. Turns out, just as a for instance, that I CAN'T access my documents, and if I do with the only gDocs app out there now, it removes all formatting. I might as well just write myself an email.

I am complaining damit. I am NOT and iPhone lover or whatever nonsense you all want to project onto me. I am a happy google customer and expected a phone that works as well as it's advertising and it DOESN'T. And it's not about what will come in the future. If people making comparisons to iPhones can't resort to that then neither can you! The bottom line is that there is an excellent model of what to do when it comes to making a smartphone and all you had to do was look at it and take notes, then scribble out the parts of it that suck and make them better.

Instead Android and Google and the countless phone makers went on a tirade trying to reinvent the wheel and have made a mess ever since.

I can't even access the very tools made by the company that told me I needed to get their phone so that I could improve my business.

Now, on top of all of this I have switched a carrier and signed a new contract. This was a two year couple thousand dollar investment. If this was just a 200 phone i could roll with it. But I have placed a wager on this phone and I have every right to be pissed when it fails to live up to it's marketing and ideology.

And just because I don't agree with it or criticize it doesn't mean I don't still love it. The moment anyone is critical of Android their painted black and white and that's just infantile. There's no reason why I can't be pissed at my brother for doing something stupid and yet still love him and help him out if he needed it.

yikes, I haven't ranted in a while.

 

[bbrosen]

Former iphone user too, and you are spot on. I do not have a mac, but I do like Apple I do have an ipod touch now. My htc hero is buggy, laggy, slow and cumbersome. Apps run in the background for no reason at all taking up precious resources the phone cannot spare.

The ui is not intuitive and it's frrankly a mess. Yes apple is for people who do not want to tinker, but want form , power and speed. Android is for those who like to tinker, the geeks, and the geeks will be the only only ones to inherit this mess
unless Google decides to get all the way in or all the way out of the mobile market. My hero does not perform like a 600 phone, and I am not happy. Because my employer pays my service with this company i am with i switched and they have limited Android choices. I too want Android to succeed. Very much so. Again, for those who want to hate Apple just because, i implore you...pick up an iphone, scroll thru the menus, it is fast, intuitive, fluid almost natural. Nothing else works like an Iphone. not even close. I miss it. I get my fix with my ipod touch, but wish i had it with my hero.


Android has potential, but no direction. I was so crushed to find out that one cannot update the OS when it comes out unless the handset maker and the carrier decide if I get it..Too many splintered OS levels on so many different hardware, too many people getting into the act of whether or not i update my 600 phone. One that is extremely underpowered for multitasking.

A lot of people expect more out of these very expensive devices. I know i do. With Apple you do get more. More customer service for one, more performance for another and more reliable hardware too.

Google has the money and know how to do it right, why are they not? I feel like Google is playing with this mobile thing. android is just that, a heartless soulless OS. Thats one thing you cannot say about Apple.

yes i love Google..i just discovered google voice, google docs and always use Chrome browser, there is no equal. google mail is wonderful too and i love google contacts. Google search is my home screen, there is nothing i cannot find with google search. If its on the net, i can find it.

So no, i am not an Apple fanboy, but i know when someone is on to something and when something misses the mark.

 

[craigrn16]

Oh boy you fan boys are too dramatic. I love both Android and iPhone. Although I have and love the Droid I will say that the iPhone is more polished and has a wider range of apps. One big advantage I think android has over the iPhone is that it's on multiple carriers! If I wanna leave Verizon and go to Tmobile I'll still have an Android to use or if I want to go to sprint. If I want an iPhone however I'm not able to have a choice of carrier especially if I livevin a place where AT&T doesn't get good service.

 

[IOWA]

Former iphone user too, and you are spot on. I do not have a mac, but I do like Apple I do have an ipod touch now. My htc hero is buggy, laggy, slow and cumbersome. Apps run in the background for no reason at all taking up precious resources the phone cannot spare.

The ui is not intuitive and it's frrankly a mess. Yes apple is for people who do not want to tinker, but want form , power and speed. Android is for those who like to tinker, the geeks, and the geeks will be the only only ones to inherit this mess
unless Google decides to get all the way in or all the way out of the mobile market. My hero does not perform like a 600 phone, and I am not happy. Because my employer pays my service with this company i am with i switched and they have limited Android choices. I too want Android to succeed. Very much so. Again, for those who want to hate Apple just because, i implore you...pick up an iphone, scroll thru the menus, it is fast, intuitive, fluid almost natural. Nothing else works like an Iphone. not even close. I miss it. I get my fix with my ipod touch, but wish i had it with my hero.


Android has potential, but no direction. I was so crushed to find out that one cannot update the OS when it comes out unless the handset maker and the carrier decide if I get it..Too many splintered OS levels on so many different hardware, too many people getting into the act of whether or not i update my 600 phone. One that is extremely underpowered for multitasking.

A lot of people expect more out of these very expensive devices. I know i do. With Apple you do get more. More customer service for one, more performance for another and more reliable hardware too.

Google has the money and know how to do it right, why are they not? I feel like Google is playing with this mobile thing. android is just that, a heartless soulless OS. Thats one thing you cannot say about Apple.

yes i love Google..i just discovered google voice, google docs and always use Chrome browser, there is no equal. google mail is wonderful too and i love google contacts. Google search is my home screen, there is nothing i cannot find with google search. If its on the net, i can find it.

So no, i am not an Apple fanboy, but i know when someone is on to something and when something misses the mark.

I think everyone is forgettin android is still in its infancy. The original iphone had waayy more problems and it took them three tries and it still ain't right. Also as more more reliable hardware that's a joke. Just look at the n1 or droid, or even samsung moment. They all have top notch hardware. And the best hardware on the market right now belongs to a winmo phone. The hd2.

 

[JasonRK]

...
Android has potential, but no direction.
...

I think bbrosen hit the mark with this one. And I think it's manifest in the UI. While the iPhone OS and even the Google web services all look alike, Android and its applications lack a unifying style. If there were more guidelines on Icon design, where to put the buttons, menu layout, etc. -- suggestions mind you, not requirements -- a device would have more of a feel. That's why people like HTC Sense so much.

 

[MOS95B]

Dammit!!! I wish my toddler was just pick a career already!! It's always "I wanna be a firmean" or "I wanna be a cowboy". Why can't he be more like that nice, polished teenager down the street? Look at him. He dresses just like all of his friends, and he has a nice part time job that could turn into a good career (maybe).

Damned kids.....

/analogy

 

[IOWA]

I think bbrosen hit the mark with this one. And I think it's manifest in the UI. While the iPhone OS and even the Google web services all look alike, Android and its applications lack a unifying style. If there were more guidelines on Icon design, where to put the buttons, menu layout, etc. -- suggestions mind you, not requirements -- a device would have more of a feel. That's why people like HTC Sense so much.

Lol. Anyone else notice all these trouble makers are "new" members. I have a feeling its onee person with a schitzo disorder. I say we ban them all, or him, and move on

 

[darreno1]

I think everyone is forgettin android is still in its infancy. The original iphone had waayy more problems and it took them three tries and it still ain't right. Also as more more reliable hardware that's a joke. Just look at the n1 or droid, or even samsung moment. They all have top notch hardware. And the best hardware on the market right now belongs to a winmo phone. The hd2.

??? NO THEY DON'T!! If there isn't an Apple logo on them, they're not worth even discussing!


Any true Android fan and by true I don't mean someone who simply owns an Android based phone. I mean someone who sees beyond what's on the surface and who really appreciates what is has to offer. Someone who isn't bothered by superficial UI glitches (all of which will be fixed in due time). That true fan will see an extremely competitive OS with unique qualities that are not found on many others, including the almighty iPhone.

What I see when I read these forums on the other hand, are many Android owners who really should have iPhones.

 

[kennyidaho]

yes. that was the initial sdk. every sdk after that, developers get access to pre release sdks months before the general public... that is what the article is critiquing. Those developers then have time to update/fix bugs introduced ( the stuff you mentioned above )

Ooooh and developers get to pay a pretty penny for that to don't they! Hey I would like to develop for the iPhone --- ooops to bad you need to buy OUR computer before you can do that. Yes, Yes I know "But look at all those apps it must not bother a lot of people!" Well when they where the only game in town for mobile app development I am sure it was the price you had to pay. Now there is more options. More options are never a bad thing - and big companies are starting to push out Android apps.

Anyways if you really don't want to see Android fail and really want to see it be better then the IPHONE here are a few things that you can do to help:
Help Here
or Here

 

[sergey]

OMG!
Another iPhone thread! This board is obsessed with the iPhone. I'm a iPhone user that comes here for Android news, if I want iPhone discussion, I go the iPhone boards. Any complaint of Android turns to a Apple/iPhone discussion... boo!

I feel like Google is slowly getting their act together. Personally, the droid is just as good as the best smartphones out there. For me, the biggest drawback is apps- nowhere near as good, esp. games & for work compared to the iPhone. Thankfully, Google is working on that. I like Android, tested out a droid by bringing one home, then returned simply because of the apps. I like it a lot, but was missing out on my work apps & games. That app storage limitation was the biggest error in my opinion in the roll out of Android. C'mon now, this OS is supposed to be cutting edge, why the hell would they think that 125MB or whatever the storage space is would be adequate for apps? Not every app needs to be 100MB, but it's nice to give the developers a choice to be like, "Let's port over GTA to Android" or "Let me make hangman." So now, I'm just waiting for the apps. And multitouch. I got used to it, so I want it.

And for the record, I don't like HTC. The form factor is nice, but what's with all the problems? Motorola seems to have their shit together- bunch of my friends got the droid when it first came out and nothing. Not a single complaint. Hopefully SE will kill it with the X10 and we won't see a repeat of the N1 rollout.

What I see when I read these forums on the other hand, are many Android owners who really should have iPhones.

That's a stupid thing to say and that attitude better not be with Google and everybody else. Or Android will fail. That's worse than the attitude of the really zealous Apple fanboys. In fact, your whole post is just wrong.

 

[GODMODE]

Here is the issue with exclusive deals and an idea that does not work:
AT&T's network is, by my own experience, shitty. Thanks.

The iPhone is a cool device, but without multitasking, your multitouch means nothing to me. Not to mention their practice of app approval. Ridiculous.

The thing about android is, its on every carrier (yes, AT&T soon as well) and comes in many flavors along with the ability to have the personality the user, the carrier AND the manufacturer want, and intended - and if you dont like it? CHANGE IT.

Done and DONE.

This is the same argument as Apple versus Windows. We have heard it all before, and don't care. We have made our decisions.

IN FACT: the ipod touch is a better concept because it does not need a shitty carrier like AT&T and can still make calls!

 

[audiogates]

Ok I won't write a ridiculously long reply to everything this op has said, but I will start off with the Android App store is probably the only think I didn't like about the phone, that thing is really messy. Besides that I believe Apple has got this Fan Boy wrapped around their finger and what they are doing is taking a page from RIM's book by coming out with a game changer getting tons of people hooked, and then making minimal upgrades that will have their users hooked for the products lifetime. I believe he should open his eyes and see that android may not be a game changer but it is the future of smartphone devices, by taking what blackberry and palm started, the iphone stepped up the game from, and combined it somewhat into 1 OS.