Google Android sales overtake iPhone sales in US

[zerocool79346]

ATT's Coverage Map:

Sprint's coverage map:

sprint is no where near att's level.

Sprint roams off of Verizon's data towers in many places and we already know that Verizon's 3G network completely owns AT&T's and every other carrier's.

 

[ari-free]

It's really verizon that has the clear advantage. And verizon has all the killer ads so I'm pretty sure that it is the Droid that is responsible for most of android's growth in the US.

 

[Starfleet Captain]

I don't get what your point is but ok. The fact/point is that android phones better while be outselling iphones. that'd be a damn shame if you have one phone outselling 15 phones combined.

The article's headline is equivalent: "Toyota cars outsell the Honda Accord."

This is an idiotic statement. Android OS, like Windows Mobile, WebOS and Blackberry OS is a platform, just like iOS. Apple is currently selling 3 devices with the iOS platform, which is the iphone 4, ipad and iPod Touch.

Most android phones work and function the same way, So it is the platform as a whole that is doing better. It was Apple's choice to release iOS on only one piece of phone hardware (with no keyboard options or other hardware options) and only one carrier. So, with this in mind, they are losing this battle.

Apple, like RIM and Palm (HP) has decided not to license their OS (Suprise!!!!). Google, and Microsoft took a different approach and made an adaptable OS for different hardware and different price points. Time and time again, this has shown to be the more successful model (See Windows OS sales vs Mac OS sales). iOS and Blackberry OS became the exception to to this rule for some time, but at the rate Android is growing, iOS will be sitting in the same corner with Macs, overshadowed by the Android platform.

 

[jroc]

*Yawn* More interesting news would be Android fails to overtake iPhone sales. Did this surprise anyone?

Happening this fast? Yea...that surprised me. And Froyo isnt out yet...I'm very surprised it happened this fast.

 

[cyaiphone]

Sprint roams off of Verizon's data towers in many places and we already know that Verizon's 3G network completely owns AT&T's and every other carrier's.

is this sheer opinion? if not where do you get your info from? please link us all to the study's done that verizon owns att in 3g. As a matter of fact what IS A FACT is that ATT's 3g is faster than verizons and you can browse the web while on a phone call. Do verizon have a map for that?

 

[zerocool79346]

is this sheer opinion? if not where do you get your info from? please link us all to the study's done that verizon owns att in 3g. As a matter of fact what IS A FACT is that ATT's 3g is faster than verizons and you can browse the web while on a phone call. Do verizon have a map for that?

Aw, someone got their feelings hurt. Your post dealt with Sprints LACK of 3G coverage, not the speed. Are you keeping up here? I then retorted that Sprint can pull data off of Verizon's data towers in many places, again dealing with Sprint's lack of coverage, not speed. Still with me?

By the way, this was the most flattering map I could find for AT&T, the others border on embarrassing.

"Verizon is the only major carrier to offer any type of comparison to other carriers. This is not surprising because Verizon has much greater coverage nationwide than anyone else."

Verizon Coverage Map offers AT&T 3G/EVDO comparison : EVDOinfo.com

Seems the map above is old, here's an updated one with a slant towards AT&T. However, even they still admit that "Sure Verizon’s 3G coverage is about five times larger than AT&T’s."


http://nexus404.com/Blog/2009/11/10/att-reveals-details-about-3g-network-is-verizon-not-telling-the-whole-truth-in-%E2%80%9Cthere%E2%80%99s-a-map-for-that%E2%80%9D-campaign/

The truth is, Verizon has faster 3G in many places than AT&T, but in certain areas, AT&T certianly has the fastest 3G network. Personally, I've pulled 3.0 mbps dl speeds in Lubbock, Texas of off Verizon, while the friends I have with iPhones are on Edge.

 

[ari-free]

is this sheer opinion? if not where do you get your info from? please link us all to the study's done that verizon owns att in 3g. As a matter of fact what IS A FACT is that ATT's 3g is faster than verizons and you can browse the web while on a phone call. Do verizon have a map for that?

Faster speed is useless if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere and can't get any coverage or drop calls all the time. And one should be able to plan a vacation without having to worry if AT&T will cover that area.

 

[Intervenient]

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[marefin]

1) How did the Hummer conversation take form up above? And why use Hummer as an example?

2) The carrier that's best for a person depends truly on where they live. For me AT&T works fine most of the time unless I venture out in to the wild (literally like into the woods/outside city limits). Within the city I live in, I have friends who have Verizon, AT&T and Sprint. And within the city limits we all have coverage without any major issues except for certain dead zones. But as soon as we start venturing outside the city, to lets say, going towards the beach, AT&T goes into shutdown mode and Verizon takes over. And that is primarily because Verizon took over Altel who had good services towards the eastern part of NC (I live in NC). I've been to the mountains and Verizon still holds up stronger in terms of coverage.

AT&T's 3G coverage seems to me is only available in major/bigger cities. Driving up towards New York I have lost signal a lot of times, until I enter the city limits of a "major" city. For someone who travels, AT&T is NOT a wise choice, but luckily I don't travel much. It's really dumb to sit here and argue about which is better (Verizon, AT&T or Sprint, etc.). Truth is not all carriers work well every where. If one carrier in your area works better for you then you will probably get that carrier's service.

 

[marefin]

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edit: you took the quote away :-(

edit 2: I'll say what I was gonna say anyway:

It's Apple's fault for not allowing anyone else to use their OS. Android is and that is exactly why their market share will continue to get bigger over time. And just like how Microsoft beat out Mac in the early days (btw. Apple was still following the same procedure then as it is now with the iPhone) Android will beat the iOS. And if anyone is actually going to sit there and try to argue that point, they're idiots.

 

[Intervenient]

edit: you took the quote away :-(

edit 2: I'll say what I was gonna say anyway:

It's Apple's fault for not allowing anyone else to use their OS. Android is and that is exactly why their market share will continue to get bigger over time. And just like how Microsoft beat out Mac in the early days (btw. Apple was still following the same procedure then as it is now with the iPhone) Android will beat the iOS. And if anyone is actually going to sit there and try to argue that point, they're idiots.

Of course Android is going to beat Apple in market share. Apple doesn't care because they're still making money from hardware revenue. OS X might only have 10% of the OS population, but Apple is pretty darn close in terms of sales revenue.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

And just like how Microsoft beat out Mac in the early days (btw. Apple was still following the same procedure then as it is now with the iPhone) Android will beat the iOS. And if anyone is actually going to sit there and try to argue that point, they're idiots.

I'm gathering my thoughts and I'm trying to think of a response but the bottom line is, what difference does it matter? Everyone knows Android will eclipse iOS by sheer volume. That is inevitable but I don't think Apple cares.

They are more concerned with being the most profitable. Google gets nothing except ad revenues from Android. They don't make a single dime off an Android device being sold except for marketplace searches and ad-sense revenue. So what difference does it make to use consumers except the possibility of more developers coming to the Android fold?

And what is with these "idiots" and "moron" characterizations. I sense some sort of pent-up frustrations when I hear ad hominems thrown around. Wishing someone was deserted on an island? Well, I just have to say the so-called moron is the most envied CEO of this century. There are CEOs who wish they could have the mythic clout he has. He has probably enriched the lives of many more people than any of us on this board can ever achieve to accomplish. Despite any regressions, the guy is sort of a genius. A moron isn't someone who's company has $40 bil cash reserve on hand. That is a pretty big war chest. Not to mention, I wouldn't call a moron someone with a 7% desktop marketshare;generating a market capitalization higher than a company with 70% desktop pc marketshare.

I, personally, would like to see competition in the marketplace. I like to see Win7 Mobile shake-up the market in November. The idea of xbox games being ported over is very interesting.

 

[lunatic59]

1) How did the Hummer conversation take form up above? And why use Hummer as an example?

Because you made a gratuitous car analogy and I attempted to clarify. You compared all of Toyota sales to one (albeit very popular) Honda model sales. The comparison is too far afield of an Android handset sale vs. iPhone sale total. Toyota is a "brand" of vehicle from one manufacturer whereas an Accord is one model of a competitive brand. Toyota makes everything from trucks to subcompacts as does Honda (and GM and Ford and Mistubishi and Hyundai ... etc.) Android represents a platform but it would then need to be compared to the iOS platform, except that would necessarily include iPods and iPads, which, for now, there are no Android alternatives. So the comparison would have to compare a class of devices where there is direct correlation. This is in the mobile phone market.

Android handsets vs. iOS handsets represent the class of smartphones which you could also include Blackberry, Symbian and WinMo. Similarly Crossover vehicles represent a class of vehicle that encompasses a wide range of manufacturers, models and features (similar to Android) whereas Humvee's are a specialized set of exclusive upscale proprietary vehicles competing in the same market (like the iPhone).

While it would be easy to negatively review crossovers in a comparison of the H3 to a Hyundai Tuscon, the line becomes fuzzier when you compare an H2 to a Lexus RX 350 or a Mercedes GL450. Arguably the Hummers are more rugged and perform everything very well as designed, they are limited by that design and available only from one Manufacturer, whereas the crossover class of vehicle offers a wide range of makes models, features and price ranges.

It's not a perfect comparison, but a better one than originally proposed.

 

[marefin]

I'm gathering my thoughts and I'm trying to think of a response but the bottom line is, what difference does it matter? Everyone knows Android will eclipse iOS by sheer volume. That is inevitable but I don't think Apple cares.

They are more concerned with being the most profitable. Google gets nothing except ad revenues from Android. They don't make a single dime off an Android device being sold except for marketplace searches and ad-sense revenue. So what difference does it make to use consumers except the possibility of more developers coming to the Android fold?

And what is with these "idiots" and "moron" characterizations. I sense some sort of pent-up frustrations when I hear ad hominems thrown around. Wishing someone was deserted on an island? Well, I just have to say the so-called moron is the most envied CEO of this century. There are CEOs who wish they could have the mythic clout he has. He has probably enriched the lives of many more people than any of us on this board can ever achieve to accomplish. Despite any regressions, the guy is sort of a genius. A moron isn't someone who's company has $40 bil cash reserve on hand. That is a pretty big war chest. Not to mention, I wouldn't call a moron someone with a 7% desktop marketshare;generating a market capitalization higher than a company with 70% desktop pc marketshare.

I, personally, would like to see competition in the marketplace. I like to see Win7 Mobile shake-up the market in November. The idea of xbox games being ported over is very interesting.

It's my personal opinion that I don't like Steve Jobs and honestly I couldn't care less how much tons of other CEO's envy him. I can't really see how significantly he has enriched so many people's lives. Now if you are referring to personal contributions he has made than that's a bit different.

And Steve Jobs is not a genius, he is simply an amazing salesman. Just because a company makes millions of dollars (or billions in this case) does not merit the company or the persons running the company any merit in the sense that they don't deserve medals of honor for their "gracious service to society." My issue is strictly with the product they make which is the iPhone and the manner in which Steve Jobs presents their product.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

I can't really see how significantly he has enriched so many people's lives.
And Steve Jobs is not a genius, he is simply an amazing salesman.

Genius is about vision and acumen.

How old are you? I see you are 24. What have you done at the age of 24? It is easy to be armchair critic.

Did you invent a company at 21 from your garage that shaped computing history as we know it? Changing people's perception about using a GUI; introducing technologies (invented by others) to the masses like a GUI, a desktop metaphor, the use of a mouse as an input device?

When computers were made from vacuum tubes, did you design a circuit board with your buddy and mass marketed it to the world?

Did you create the first desktop p.c. that introduce a GUI which spawned a cottage industry (Desktop Publishing). The aforementioned platformed that personally inspired individuals like John Knoll to go out and designed Photoshop. An app used by many of my friends every day to feed and raise their families? A cottage industry that paid my way through college and provide health care for my family and millions of others? Those are real contribution based on a man's vision of computing.

He may not have personally invented many of the technologies but he was the first to mass-produce, shape and deliver it for consumer consumption. For example,the GUI on desktop PC was clearly pioneered by Jobs that Bill Gates had to steal it.

I guess you are just short-sighted, I can understand not liking the guy because of his arrogance. But if you were in his position, you'd be arrogant as well. I get it, you don't like him or his products. But without the iPhone, I doubt we all be using capacitive multi-touch screen phones today. We'd all be using the stylus like the Treos and HTC Touch Pros from 2007.

The question that Steve Jobs would ask you, what have you done to contribute to society?

 

[ari-free]

I'm sorry but I don't see how the worker conditions at Foxconn, the producers of this wonderful iPhone, can be counted as a contribution to society. But hey, we have capacitive multitouch so I guess it must be worth it.

But I don't think we'd be using a stylus. We may have something like this instead:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...ateId=6123&navigationId=12793&contentId=36664

 

[Niir]

doesnt give him the right to act like a total dickwad about his average products though.

 

[mrspeedmaster]

I'm sorry but I don't see how the worker conditions at Foxconn, the producers of this wonderful iPhone, can be counted as a contribution to society. But hey, we have capacitive multitouch so I guess it must be worth it.

The Foxconn problem is NOT germane to one company.
Dell, HP, and many others use FoxConn. Everyone shares in the blame. What a supplier does is not the direct responsibility of the client.

If I went to a restaurant like Chevy's, am I personally responsible if Chevy's use child labour to pick vegetables 12 hours a day to make the salsa I eat?

 

[marefin]

Genius is about vision and acumen.

How old are you? I see you are 24. What have you done at the age of 24? It is easy to be armchair critic.

Did you invent a company at 21 from your garage that shaped computing history as we know it? Changing people's perception about using a GUI; introducing technologies (invented by others) to the masses like a GUI, a desktop metaphor, the use of a mouse as an input device?

When computers were made from vacuum tubes, did you design a circuit board with your buddy and mass marketed it to the world?

Did you create the first desktop p.c. that introduce a GUI which spawned a cottage industry (Desktop Publishing). The aforementioned platformed that personally inspired individuals like John Knoll to go out and designed Photoshop. An app used by many of my friends every day to feed and raise their families? A cottage industry that paid my way through college and provide health care for my family and millions of others? Those are real contribution based on a man's vision of computing.

He may not have personally invented many of the technologies but he was the first to mass-produce, shape and deliver it for consumer consumption. For example,the GUI on desktop PC was clearly pioneered by Jobs that Bill Gates had to steal it.

I guess you are just short-sighted, I can understand not liking the guy because of his arrogance. But if you were in his position, you'd be arrogant as well. I get it, you don't like him or his products. But without the iPhone, I doubt we all be using capacitive multi-touch screen phones today. We'd all be using the stylus like the Treos and HTC Touch Pros from 2007.

The question that Steve Jobs would ask you, what have you done to contribute to society?

You seem to have read what I said in my last post. It is MY personal opinion (choice rather) that I not like Steve Jobs regardless of what he is or has done. And I also said and I quote: "I can't really see how significantly he has enriched so many people's lives. Now if you are referring to personal contributions he has made than that's a bit different." This was referring to what his COMPANY did vs. what he HIMSELF did.

Furthermore, I also said, and I quote again: "Just because a company makes millions of dollars (or billions in this case) does not merit the company or the persons running the company any merit in the sense that they don't deserve medals of honor for their 'gracious service to society'."

It's great that he introduced the GUI to the world and that he helped form a company that employs thousands (if not millions) of people. But none of that merits him any privilege to be a "dickwad" as Niir so graciously put it. Nor does any of his achievements and contributions to society give him the sheer privilege of me liking him.

But none of what you say irks me other than this statement: "But without the iPhone, I doubt we all be using capacitive multi-touch screen phones today. We'd all be using the stylus like the Treos and HTC Touch Pros from 2007."

The iPhone (Apple rather) neither invented the touch screen phone nor did they invent any of the "innovative" features the iPhone has. It is true that they made it POPULAR, but that hardly merits any recognition (IMO). iPhone rose to prominence primarily (and I dare say ONLY) through marketing. And I can promise you it was not to enrich society.

 

[marefin]

And to answer your last question regarding what I have done to contribute to society. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But that STILL does not mean I should like Steve Jobs. But thank you for pointing that out to me.

 

[CriticalMass]

It's largely about copyright issues. This is why the big game companies and other developers are slow to get on board. Because Apple's system is so closed and so tightly controlled, that control appeals to the big gaming companies and app developers.

However. as Android continues to grow, it won't be long before these companies can't ignore Android anymore if they want to tap our pocketbooks.

 

[CriticalMass]

And to answer your last question regarding what I have done to contribute to society. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. But that STILL does not mean I should like Steve Jobs. But thank you for pointing that out to me.

What has steve jobs done besides sell a product to make him rich? This doesn't make him someone who has contributed anything to society.

Someone like Mother Theresa contributed to society. Steve Jobs just sold a product and got a lot of money in return.