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How much space is allocated to OS?

Macnerd

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I just recently bought a V20. About 1/4 of the 64 GB is used up by Android. Will Android continue to expand as I add apps & download updates & store pictures, etc? Will eventually most of the 64 GB be occupied by Android? Have the powers-that-be set a limit to how far Android will expand? I haven't bought a memory card yet. When I do, of course, my pictures, music, etc. will be stored on the memory card.

I know that the card can be partitioned. I'd probably have to root the phone in order to accomplish that. I don't want to root the phone. But is it possible to partition the card & use part of it as internal memory & part of it as external memory? I was wondering about that the other day. I wouldn't do it because I'd surely screw something up.
 
1/4 of 64gb = 14gb ?

Way too much for the OS alone.

Do you also take the user installed apps into account ?
 
Well storing pictures is not the Android OS expanding, that's probably you with the camera doing that. And also you installing apps and games isn't Android expanding either. If you go on taking pictures and installing things, then yes the internal storage will start to fill up.

Storing pictures, music, videos, documents on an SD instead is something you can do.
 
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A 64gb capacity isn't 64gb in the first place. It's more like 58gb. Android systems are getting larger and more elaborate with every update. If you are that worried about the storage space you really need to spend the $15 and get a decent size micro sd.
 
1/4 of 64gb = 14gb ?

Way too much for the OS alone.

Do you also take the user installed apps into account ?

1/4 of 64 Gb = 16 GB.
My phone has 16.25 GB of the 64 GB occupied.

I'm sorry. I should have clarified.

Here's what's on my phone:
Available: 47.75 GB
Apps: 2.97 GB
Images: 76 KB
Videos: 0
Audio: 524 KB
Other: 45.64 MB
Cached Data: 0
System Data: 13.23 GB

Total: 16.25 Gb

Not too long ago it was about 15.5 GB. It sure did increase quickly. The cached data I can delete. The Images, Videos, & Audio can be stored on a memory card.

Just a few minutes ago I deleted files in the cache. Now it's already 28 MB!

When I add 2.97 GB for apps to 13.23 GB for system data I get 16.2 GB. The phone shows 16.25 GB. I wish that the powers-that-be at Android would put Android on a diet! Are there things that I can do to reduce the space taken up by Android? All the more reason to get a memory card!

Even if all of my personal stuff is on a memory card & only Android stuff is on the phone, will the entire 64 GB eventually be filled with Android files?
 
Well, Google has done (and continues to do) things to help with the size of apps for example:


but adding features, fixes (i.e., security updates), etc. will cause increases over time.

They obviously can't control which or how many apps you install, or the size of those apps (that's on the developers), and must make allowances for things like cache and storage of your music, pictures, etc. (which is part of the reason why everyone is pushing the use of "the cloud").

^^^ my 2-cents ;) :).
 
I'm not sure I completely understand what you are meaning but I'll try to help.

Part of your storage is partitioned to the OS and pre-installed apps. It very by device and OS.
In short, that partition really shouldn't change much with OS upgrades.
Any app you download takes up space and yes you can run out of space at some point.
Go by a high quality micro SD card and format it as internal storage and that should take care of that problem.
Apps will continuously cache data but I wouldn't worry or get to bent out of shape about that. Every couple of months I clear the cache and move on.
 
Available: 47.75 GB
[Used] Total: 16.25 Gb

As @matther22xdroid mentioned 64GB is really only about 58GB because of space lost to formatting. Your available and used space add up to 64GB so it might be adding those lost 6GB to the System Data.

If so that gives you 10GB of used space, which isn't bad. The Android OS should not continue to grow until it takes up all available space, but if you put more apps, videos, pics on the phone you'll have less free space.

Just a few minutes ago I deleted files in the cache. Now it's already 28 MB!
That's normal, apps use the cache to store temp files.
 
Let's perhaps be more precise about what's going on. The phone's internal storage is divided into a number of partitions. The space that's available for your apps and data is the /data partition ("/sdcard", also known as "/sdcard0" and "/storage/emulated/0" is mapped onto the same space - this is done for historical reasons). The system applications, user interface etc (ROM) live in the /system partition, the kernel of the OS (much smaller) lives in the /boot partition, and then there are other spaces for lower-level firmware. In addition there is a system cache partition. The sizes of all of these partitions are fixed.

So the short answer to "how far will Android expand" is "it won't". The OS lives within its partitions, full stop. Actually those partitions will be partially empty, to allow for later updates being larger, so how much space is available to you (/data) depends on how much headroom LG have allowed themselves in the /system partition, how big they've made the system cache partition, etc. Without root you can't see what's in those partitions, and you can't use the space anyway, so your storage menu is reporting the whole of these system partitions, whether used or not, as being used by "System Data" (there may be other stuff it includes in that category, but most of that will be the partition sizes).

For people commenting on the partition sizes, does the V20 support the "seamless updates" that the Pixels have? If so that requires dual system partitions, which would by definition require more space.

However, while the OS doesn't actually expand the /data partition will fill up as you use the phone. Every app you install goes there. All app data go there, both for your apps and for system apps (the data are not part of the operating system), app caches (which are different from the system cache) go there. And app updates from the Play Store go there, even when they are updates to the system apps (though when these are updated as part of a system update those updates go to the /system partition). So yeah, space will decrease with use, but it's not actually android taking up more space. But if you put media on a removable card I doubt it will be a problem unless you go really overboard with installing large games. Caches are temporary, they don't grow indefinitely.

As for partitioning an SD card to use part as internal and part as external, not without root it's not possible. I used to do that sort of things back when phones had really limited internal storage (try 147 MB for /data rather than 50 GB!), but would not do it myself unless absolutely forced to.
 
Thanks for that because I was going to say the OS part is not in that available space you see.

Also the android folder you are seeing on internal memory is not the OS - it's the common folder that is there for any app to store and exchange data though. IE you have 2 apps that want to talk to each other - for safety reasons they are required to post out to the "android folder/com.__________ "

also most apps just use that for their storage point in general - and if oyu don't go into the app settings you'll never change it. Take spotify for example - if you cache your tunes - it saves in the Android file under com.spotify.__ and it will grow from there.

OR you can go into the setting an say move cache to memory card - and it will push it over for you. NO you can't use those files as they are encrypted within spotify but they are stored there.

I don't know if this is true or not but I believe the V20 is setup to have 64gb partition as user and another hidden/root partition of 32 gb for the OS and further expansion and a virtual memory swap area. again not 100% sure that's true but I swear I read that somewhere. The Pixel phones do similar. but again - needs to be verified.

OH and having a phone like the V20 and not getting a memory card is a waste IMO. But I admit I might be a bit harsh on that
 
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