HSPA+ ... Thank you, T-Mobile

[RiverOfIce]

Your in denial. Seriously. But I guess facts don't matter in your world.

-Done with you.

It is like arguing with a kitchen table.

Clearly no carrier is going by technical standards, otherwise I doubt we would be here arguing because my position in all of this is that no matter what you are telling me at the end of the day Sprint doesn't exactly have their own 4G network and the one they borrow from(that you pay a premium for btw) is not 4G(upgradability does not matter), AT&T does NOT have an HSPA+ network, nor are they the largest HSPA+ network.

You cant have it both ways, you can not say sprint does not have a 4g network, t mobile does, and att does not. To do so would be just stupid and pointless. Either they all have a 4g network, by marketing definition, or they do not. Make up your mind.

Verizon has NOT launched an LTE device nor LTE in itself and regular LTE as far as what I read is not 4G.

Yes they have, been testing it for the last few months.

WiMax 2 and LTE-Advanced are 4G technologies, NO CARRIER HAS EITHER 2!

Both have been used since 2008. Wimax 2 is avaible in a few markets, lte-a is avaible for testing now.

I am not backing facts by a tv commercial I am backing facts based on my findings.

yes, yes you are.

AT&T does NOT have an HSPA+ network, 14.4 HSPA isn't even considered HSPA+ and they aren't even on that yet.

Once again yes they do, and you can not have it both ways, no one has anything, if tmobile has hspa+ then att does. Please review your facts and post them before you cite a commercial

AT&T now has 80% HSPA+ coverage - Phone Arena




The rest is a mindless rant.

Two little facts.

1.) Hspa+ can only deliver above 3mbps when you have very little use on the towers, once you increase the tower load, the speeds decrease dramatically. Wimax and lte will not do this. You can load wimax and lte to 98% load, before any noticeable decrease in speed.

2.) Ignoring the marketing terms, 4g, 3g, edge, ect. If you just look at speed from phone to tower. Lte and wimax will have the through put about 2x times that of hspa+.

But once again, you will not cite your sources, and I am saying you are wrong, so as they say in zombieland, "nut up or shut up."

 

[2FR35H]

Your in denial. Seriously. But I guess facts don't matter in your world.

-Done with you.

This is for you and RiverofIce

You wish I was in denial more so, but facts are facts. Also you say facts like you actually presented any lol thats funny.

LTE-Advanced and Wimax 2 only noted as 4G by ITU

ITU lays down law: WiMAX 2, LTE-Advanced are 4G, everyone else is a buster -- Engadget

Now come again? oh wait are you gonna present that irrelevant argument that its upgradable? AT&T is upgradable to HSPA+ but they aren't using it.

Btw for those claiming not. AT&T plans for 14.4 rollout fairly current November 3rd article. As in meaning they haven't upgraded their towers past 7.2 HSPA T-mobile doesn't claim the non-upgraded parts of their networks 4G nor HSPA+. T-Mobile only designates their HSPA+ 21mbps upgraded network HSPA+ while AT&T is still in plan mode for 14.4 by the time they even roll it out next year T-mobile's will be upgraded to 42mbps HSPA+

Article on AT&T planning 14.4 also meaning they don't have it.
AT&T's HSPA+ Will Be Faster Than 14.4 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

HSDPA or so called HSPA is up to 14mbps

(Unfortunately I can't find the original article where it stated so wikipedia is gonna have to do.)

High-Speed Downlink Packet Access - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[IOWA]

This is for you and RiverofIce

You wish I was in denial more so, but facts are facts. Also you say facts like you actually presented any lol thats funny.

LTE-Advanced and Wimax 2 only noted as 4G by ITU

ITU lays down law: WiMAX 2, LTE-Advanced are 4G, everyone else is a buster -- Engadget

Now come again? oh wait are you gonna present that irrelevant argument that its upgradable? AT&T is upgradable to HSPA+ but they aren't using it.

Btw for those claiming not. AT&T plans for 14.4 rollout fairly current November 3rd article. As in meaning they haven't upgraded their towers past 7.2 HSPA T-mobile doesn't claim the non-upgraded parts of their networks 4G nor HSPA+. T-Mobile only designates their HSPA+ 21mbps upgraded network HSPA+ while AT&T is still in plan mode for 14.4 by the time they even roll it out next year T-mobile's will be upgraded to 42mbps HSPA+

Article on AT&T planning 14.4 also meaning they don't have it.
AT&T's HSPA+ Will Be Faster Than 14.4 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

HSDPA or so called HSPA is up to 14mbps

(Unfortunately I can't find the original article where it stated so wikipedia is gonna have to do.)

High-Speed Downlink Packet Access - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[2FR35H]

Quote:Originally Posted by IOWA
Your in denial. Seriously. But I guess facts don't matter in your world.

-Done with you.

You never even started a debate with me you just made blind claims about Sprint having a 4G network and WiMax being 4g of which both are false because the towers are Clearwires and WiMax 2 and LTE-A are the only designated 4G technologies according to ITU.

It is like arguing with a kitchen table.

Its like arguing with a fanboy and fangirl, oh wait... now shut up and listen.

Quote:Originally Posted by 2FR35H
Clearly no carrier is going by technical standards, otherwise I doubt we would be here arguing because my position in all of this is that no matter what you are telling me at the end of the day Sprint doesn't exactly have their own 4G network and the one they borrow from(that you pay a premium for btw) is not 4G(upgradability does not matter), AT&T does NOT have an HSPA+ network, nor are they the largest HSPA+ network.

You cant have it both ways, you can not say sprint does not have a 4g network, t mobile does, and att does not. To do so would be just stupid and pointless. Either they all have a 4g network, by marketing definition, or they do not. Make up your mind.

First off, Yeah I can have it both ways because AT&T AND T-MOBILE ARE TWO DIFFERENT NETWORKS! They aren't even on the same speeds so yeah it definitely can go both ways.

Quote:Originally Posted by 2FR35H
Verizon has NOT launched an LTE device nor LTE in itself and regular LTE as far as what I read is not 4G.

Yes they have, been testing it for the last few months.

SMh.. now tell me what device do they have that is LTE compatible right now? As well testing does not count as a LAUNCH btw

Quote:Originally Posted by 2FR35H
WiMax 2 and LTE-Advanced are 4G technologies, NO CARRIER HAS EITHER 2!

Both have been used since 2008. Wimax 2 is avaible in a few markets, lte-a is avaible for testing now.

Once again testing does not count as a LAUNCH!

Quote:Originally Posted by 2FR35H
I am not backing facts by a tv commercial I am backing facts based on my findings.

yes, yes you are.

Oh yeah how so? I can show you how YOU are backing facts based on a commercial. That link you provided for AT&T claiming to have HSPA+ when they don't even have 14.4 SPeeds and that btw isn't even HSPA+ which means they are still at HSPA 7.2 and T-MObile doesn't even claim that regular HSPA is 4G they claim HSPA+ 4G and yes there is a difference between the two.

Quote:Originally Posted by 2FR35H
AT&T does NOT have an HSPA+ network, 14.4 HSPA isn't even considered HSPA+ and they aren't even on that yet.

Once again yes they do, and you can not have it both ways, no one has anything, if tmobile has hspa+ then att does. Please review your facts and post them before you cite a commercial


Not at all HSPA 7.2 doesn't count as HSPA+ nor does 14.4 HSPA.

AT&T now has 80% HSPA+ coverage - Phone Arena

Nice "commercial"



The rest is a mindless rant.

Why on earth should I really care then?


Two little facts.

1.) Hspa+ can only deliver above 3mbps when you have very little use on the towers, once you increase the tower load, the speeds decrease dramatically. Wimax and lte will not do this. You can load wimax and lte to 98% load, before any noticeable decrease in speed.

Irrelevent but even stating that fact is redundant.

2.) Ignoring the marketing terms, 4g, 3g, edge, ect. If you just look at speed from phone to tower. Lte and wimax will have the through put about 2x times that of hspa+.

But once again, you will not cite your sources, and I am saying you are wrong, so as they say in zombieland, "nut up or shut up."

Fine I cited my source of which are by far more reliable than your sources.

Btw if you didn't notice its in my last reply

 

[2FR35H]

LMAO too bad thats all you can say really because you can't refute it.

Sprint isn't 4G at the end of the day at least by technical standards and your smiley sarcastic face you replied with, I will take as your forfeit in this. I mean what could you really reply with to denote it. Its the ITU that claimed it not me, I am just reporting it. Thanks good day to you. ITU is by far more credible technology wise than any of us here anyways so I will take that word as truth rather than you or RiverofIce. glad we could have this talk see ya, I mean I suppose are gonna leave now since you are "Done with me" right? lol lmao!

 

[IOWA]

LMAO too bad thats all you can say really because you can't refute it.

Sprint isn't 4G at the end of the day at least by technical standards and your smiley sarcastic face you replied with, I will take as your forfeit in this. I mean what could you really reply with to denote it. Its the ITU that claimed it not me, I am just reporting it. Thanks good day to you. ITU is by far more credible technology wise than any of us here anyways so I will take that word as truth rather than you or RiverofIce. glad we could have this talk see ya, I mean I suppose are gonna leave now since you are "Done with me" right? lol lmao!

More like we are arguing with a child who doesn't know what a science book looks like. Never mind all those fancy hertz and schmertz, Tmobiles advertising campeign said its so, so it must be!

 

[Kelmar]

Facts are not against forum rules... NAME CALLING is though...

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